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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599749 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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truth

Perth, Australia

#431907 Apr 10, 2013
proverb 3
may your loving kindness and trueness..
write them on table of your heart..
i wrote on map as heart
in geometric way..

i don't need be affraid
thinking ability
marge

Ames, IA

#431908 Apr 10, 2013
yep
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#431909 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, if you demand Book, Chapter Verse to prove the Catholic faith. Then you MUST provide Book, Chapter, Verse where Christ commands that Book, Chapter, verse is to be His authority on His Ministry. Its unheard of before the Protestants. You know that.
Besides, I show you Biblical references to Catholicism, but you reject it anyway. In fact, you reject anything that is not coming from your mouth on sacred scripture. I can show you writings from the Disciples of the Apostles concerning sacred scripture. They contradict your interpretations, so you reject it.
Good luck with that.
There you have it Clay. The confrinter is not worth spending time. You and others have warned these factious people many times, but they have closed their minds. They have no eyes to see and ears to hear. They offer nothing in rebuttal to the solid arguments. Their faith is in their own ideology and interpretations and skewed history. They are perfect in every way just ask them. No wrong however is too great lest it be a Catholic for which forgiveness does not apply. Scott Hahns story comes to life. G.K. Chesterton and every other convert. At first they fight and struggle to overcome and deny reality. Eventually they can no longer deny the truth. Frint denies any truth other than that which he chooses to believe which is not based in fact, but a desperate attempt to hold on to the erroneous beliefs he has held. It is hard for many to admit what they have been taught and believed their whole life is not based in truth. The Apostles and Martyrs died for telling people what they did not want to hear. Hojo is right. Why not repeat the same thing to them. They do not listen they never have. I don't think a single one of them could actually tell you what you believe and why. They mock the fathers, they mock anything Catholic, yet they will blindly post any piece of tabloid trash and when proven to be a lie prance on to the next one or throw out abuse as if it doesn't exist amongst them. These are wretched people. By OSAS standards all Catholics fit the bill, but they dance around that too. Over and over and over again they have shown their multiple discrepancies of what they believe, but close it out of their minds. It's truly sad to see.
truth

Perth, Australia

#431910 Apr 10, 2013
look tree in order
look
123
456
789
look numbers as matematic as determinant
look 147=vertical
1/3
look tree

now in midlle
what you say to me please
marty
many many marty=victim=do you understood me
when i pray i cry
marge

Ames, IA

#431911 Apr 10, 2013
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431912 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
My Dads Mother is Ojibway. She didn't have much of a choice. The rest of my ancestors came from Ireland. There were good jobs in MN on the rail road and factories, so they came here. Part of me wishes they were citrus farmers instead, and settled in Florida.
Clay says......Part of me wishes they were citrus farmers instead, and settled in Florida.

Michael says......I like your humor. Good comeback!

When it rains or snows in Minnesota we usually get it a couple days later as the way the jetstream flows. We are expecting 3 to 4 inches of rain tonight and tomorrow in southern Ontario.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431913 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus very common name back then and today,he preached a different word than the leaders of the day did,so he was a heretic,blasphemer,he started to develop a following,so he had to be disposed of. he was just a man who saw the evil in the world and tried to create a way to change it,by writing books about "A GOD" AND after he was murdered by the Romans,his followers picked up the story where he left off,that is why it took 400 yrs to complete the greatest story ever told. when someone dies,religious people say god called him home, a few weeks ago two teenagers tried to rob a lady pushing her baby in a stroller,one of them shot the baby in the face killing him, did god call that baby home? did he send the teen that fired the shot that killed the baby? he must of,if he calls other people home when they die,so it would have to apply to that poor baby...real nice god you people have.
Think about this. Over thousands of years the jews wrote the OT. The Jews claimed to have received the 10 commandments from God, even chritiainity believes that, but Jews do not believe in sons of God, so why would God send his son down to earth to be born a jew, live his life and practice his jewish faith as the son of God, if Jews do not believe in sons of God?

.......makes no common sense....



MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431914 Apr 10, 2013
truth wrote:
dear God no
i mean perfection can't be as ordinary
as well you can play with that
ordinary person don't have responsibility..
but can have inner as perfection..
What god say about that in parable?
'weed seed and good seed'
see fuck off
when they press its going down as well up
,'
truth says.......see @#$% off
when they press its going down as well up

MICHAEL says......you brag about your little rosary. You tell us the great distance you travel to go to church..........then you start swearing.
You are doomed to hell, sorry for the bad news.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431915 Apr 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
They "cannot stop" Catholic bashing because their "entire bible only man-made religion" is predicated and based upon attacking, condemning and passing their Protestant(personal opinionated) judgment" against Jesus Christ HIMSELF and His One True Catholic Church..... Sola Scriptura "cannot exist" (on its own) without Protestant "verbal abuse" against the faith of other Christians--especially Catholics.... As a former bible only Protestant, it was the "major focus and emphasis" of our "so-called" Christian faith......Every "bible only fundamentalist" on this forum (Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian, jethro8, LTM, PAD, Marge, and those that I missed--have PROVEN this to be true, over and over and over again with "every post" including the Agnostics and Atheists who make comments.
So does that mean you give up? Don't get frustrated, just keep at it. Our Lord had to deal with the Pharisees. And as I've posted previously, why do so few Catholics and Americans know about what the pope's have declared about the social problems of our day, like socialism and other great evils?

You real problem is too many Catholics don't believe in Catholicism, so many non-Catholics will stay away.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431917 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate your input. Dialogue is becoming more and more fruitful between Protestants and Catholics.
What do the Baptist want? The SBC is darn near a mini Catholic Church. Do they seek some kind of merger or dual catholic/Baptist faith? That's a tricky scenario. The CC would say to anyone,(including the Orthodox) you're either in communion with the Bishop of Rome or not. That's a huge problem for many, but it can't be any different, because we're talking about truth- which can't be compromised. I don't know what the future holds. But these two facts are interesting: Many Catholics are leaving the Church due to cultural influence and secularism among other reasons. But many Protestants are replacing them by becoming Catholic. The new converts have a deep love for Christ; a zeal for the scriptures and bring a new kind of vibe into the Church.
The result in about 20 yrs, is a Holier Catholic Church, as the half hearted Catholics are replaced by serious Christians from the Evangelical camp.
Those who remain Protestant, will be the kind neither side needs. Stubborn and ignorant. I'm wondering if Christ is setting up His return, gathering the seeds for the final spiritual battle. He's giving current Catholics an ultimatum. I see it in how my own family is being split. Certain ones are drawn to the secular materialistic world. Others are becoming stronger Catholics and complete opposite of their siblings. This is alarming as Christ said He didn't come to unite families but divide them.
Anyway, its nice to hear from a potential convert. Was it the internet debate forums, like this one, that drew you towards Catholicism?
Not that I know of. Baptists still think they are right in general. I was just fortunate enough to learn both sides before I bought into any of the prejudices, so my outlook is different.

No, it was good Catholics that took the time to explain the facts, and understood their faith, that helped me. But ironically, I was mostly agnostic, but appreciated and saw merit in the Christian culture that affected history in a positive way. Most atheists think religion, and specifically Christianity, has done more harm than good. So, I set out to prove them wrong years ago, and found myself defending Christianity in general as the facts became evident.

It took a tragedy in my family to convert me. But it was was history and science itself that nailed me to Jesus once and for all. Oh, and CS Lewis, I have to give him credit, he really knows how to simply the faith in Mere Christianity in a way that non-Christians can comprehend.

But otherwise, I agree with you, I see things changing, something is happening. The false Christians will be purged from both sides, and when the dust has settled I pray the one true Church will be united once more.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431918 Apr 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote
The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture.
But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.
~~~
Either produce them ...GIVE EVIDENCE or STOP WASTING MY TIME...
I CONTEND THAT ALL YOU ARE DOING IS BLOWING SMOKE...THAT YOU REALLY
HAVE NO PROOF...AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
THAT DECIDES THE ETERNAL DESTINY OF MY SOUL...
( IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMEONES ALLEGED HEARSAY ...THAT PROVES NOTHING...)
I have given you books chapters and verses ....to witness, and
validate what I have written.
THE ONLY WITNESSES ACCEPTABLE from you IS BOOKS CHAPTERS AND VERSES...
IF YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THEM, I AINT BUYING IT.
Jesus said..
Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I am free in the truth.. A joint heir with Christ...a fellow
citizen of the saints of the household of God.
I refuse to be involves in your divided loyalties.
Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
I refuse to bring my self under the servitude to/OF an earthly dynasty...in ROME ITALY
I don't understand. Every Theologian, Catholic or Evangelical, knows that the Church existed before the NT was put together. The Council of Nicea is well attested, and the hard work by many to choose which books remained, and which did not, is well known on both sides.

Christianity, for 300 years, was bound together by oral tradition and a scattering many books, but no Bible. So how can one prove that is not the case? The Christians never declared the Bible to be the sole source of the word of Christ. The Bible itself does not declare itself the sole authority. And no one, not even the pope, and claim to understand the Bible in full, that is what the Church and fellowship is for, to help us understand.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431919 Apr 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, you are just an ignorant Baptist then. The Old Testament was written by Jews and the New Testament was written by Jews with the exception of Luke and Acts which were written by Dr. Luke, a gentile. You need to check your history. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult or any of it's members did not write one word of the Bible. Not one.
Finally, the word "catholic", small "c" was and is the word for the UNIVERSAL church not the ROMAN CATHOLIC cult. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult began with Constantine. Ever heard of him?
Marks of the New Testament church are revealed in
1. Its Head and Founder--CHRIST. He is the law-giver; the Church is only the executive.(Matthew 16:18; Colossians 1:18)
2. Its only rule of faith and practice--THE BIBLE.
(II Timothy 3:15-17)
3. Its name--"CHURCH," "CHURCHES."
(Matthew 16:18; Revelation 22:16)
4. Its polity--CONGREGATIONAL--all members equal.
(Matthew 20:24-28; Matthew 23:5-12)
5. Its members--only saved people.(Ephesians 2:21; I Peter 2:5)
6. Its ordinances--BELIEVERS' BAPTISM, FOLLOWED BY THE LORD'S SUPPER.(Matthew 28:19-20)
7. Its work--getting folks saved, baptizing them (with a baptism that meets all the requirements of God's Word), teaching them ("to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you").(Matthew 28:16-20)
8. Its financial plan--"Even so (TITHES and OFFERINGS) hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel," (I Corinthians 9:14)
9. Its weapons of warfare--spiritual, not carnal.
(II Corinthians 10:4; Ephesians 6:10-20)
10. Its independence--separation of Church and State.
(Matthew 22:21)
In any town there are many different churches all claiming to be the true church. Take the marks, or teachings, of the different churches and find the ones which have these marks, or doctrines. The ones which have these marks, or doctrines, taught in God's Word, are the true churches.
True Bible-Believing churches existed before the ROMAN CATHOLIC cult. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult as we know it can trace its beginnings back to the Emperor Constantine in the forth century, AD. The true Church of God started at Pentecost in the first century, and there have been true Bible-believing churches ever since. Jesus said to the Apostles, "lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20). The birth of the New Testament church began at Pentecost.
If you have any questions check history.
Well, you're going to have to explain that to some of the best Theologians in Protestant history, who never deny that Catholics wrote the Bible. They may not admit the word "Catholic" was used.

Or, you may be going off of Fox's Book of Martyrs, which has truth, but also false legends told by liars.

SOME Protestants make the argument that there were no Chrisitans until recent times, and that all lived in darkness. But this argument has no evidence.

The early Christians were Catholic. That is an absolute fact, on the name of Jesus Christ Himself, our Lord. Do not argue with me, tell that to the Savior you proclaim to believe, while denouncing His Church in the same breath.

Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431920 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG! it is the biggest christian/pagan church, Jesus did not put a name to his church, Ignatius did, Jesus was Jewish,there was a group of Jewish/Christians centuries ago but they came after Jesus' death,so he was a Jew, Rome conquered Israel,murdered,raped and pillaged the country,the pagan/christian leaders were right there stealing religious writings and artifacts (which should be given back to them)including the christian church of Antioch, so why would a Jew reward them by building "HIS" church in a pagan country that conquered his homeland ETC.? is it just me or does anyone else see something wrong with that picture? Jesus is the only head of His church (Eph. 1:22-23),the church calls the pope the Vicar of Christ on earth (no references in the Bible),that would mean two leaders of the true church,true? yes it would be true, but since there can only be one and jesus is the one according to the legend, the pope is a meaningless position in the religious world,he is the head of the man made pagan/christian church,which cares more for power and money than it does for it's followers,we know what proves that,so no need to mention it,tired of doing that."MY CHURCH" clearly spoken by Jesus and clearly written in the bible,there is no other name attached to the church neither spoken or written,so no man made church can not with 100% accuracy claim to be the true church.
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

What name are you referring to? All Christians were just called Christians by others. Catholic was only used to describe the emerging church structure that arose. I agree, Catholics should not call themselves Catholics, but Christians only. But I understand why they do with all the denominations now that exist.

If you mean Roman Catholic Church, that is not, and never has been the name of the Church. Roman is a Protestant name attached to the Catholic Church, not their own. They have 23 Rites, and the proper name of the Western churches is the Latin Rite, as we mostly come from the Latin tradition in Western Europe. But there are 22 others.

It is really just named the Catholic Church, but simply means Universal Church. No, Jesus did not use that, but nor did he denounce it. Why would he? Universal is precisely what he wanted, for us ALL to come to HIS Church.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431921 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>jesus states he is going to build a church,no name just "my church" where you learn his fathers word,never mentions creating a religion,just talks about spreading his fathers word,so a reality check says man created religion, not god or jesus.
Not so. There is nothing wrong with religion. That means a System of Belief. God has always used systems to help us stay true to his Church. That is why he commanded all the rituals in the OT that the Israelites practiced around the Tabernacle. That is a System of Belief. That is pure religion.

Nothing wrong with that. The whole universe is a system. Nature is composed of countless systems. Systems are good.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431922 Apr 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
For those that believe in Jesus, christians to this day still argue over who killed him. Wouldn't christians at least know that information?
We know through historical records there were many men in Judea 2,000 years ago claiming to be the messiah. Why weren't they rounded up and crucified?
Back in the day historical records indicate that Jews did not crucify people but stoned them to death. Romans crucified people.
Christians claim they know Jesus, but don't know his date of birth, don't know what he did to support himself (his father supposedly a carpenter) don't know the date he died, and still don't know what group was responsible for his death if this man even existed.
There might have been a man who did good deeds back in the day, and if there was, christians have done everything to take his own heritage away, by taking the Jew out of this man making him their own.
The "Jew" was never taken out of Jesus. He is the Third Temple, He is the fulfillment of the Law (the Jewish Laws.) All the ritual practiced in a Catholic Church today are in fact Israelite rituals that Jesus never changed, but for one important aspect. He is the Lamb, and He died for ALL sins, so no more lambs need be slaughtered, no more blood spilled. But all the ritual remained the same.

The fact is, we Protestants would ALL be very uncomfortable in an early Christian Church of the 1st or 2nd Century ... except for Catholics , Anglicans (and others like them) and Orthodox today, who would feel right at home.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431923 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I am.
You do bring up another exacting point above:
"Forgive me if I am mistaken, but there are many foul people in these last 2000 years putting words in Jesus's mouth that never were uttered."
- How are we to know whom is truthful and whom are not?
- is it wise for men to make religions about the texts they ONLY think are true?
- Why is only a half of Jesus is believed in, because if I were to use your statement and logic above, your portion of Jesus is created as well.
Simple. Tens of thousands of copiers began copying all of the books from the outset. Thus, the Bible was preserved, and came down to us.

Innocent until proven guilty is not just some legal term, it is an ethical and moral one. For no one may accuse the dead of lying or falseness without proof, or at all since the dead cannot defend themselves.

So what you are saying is that countless years were wasted by people copying the WRONG gospels and books. Or, that they deliberately did something against Jesus, or changed Scripture, or did something dishonest.

Well then, prove it. It's the same for the atheists, who use your exact same arguments to denounce the whole Faith. Except that Arians and Cathars use it to make up their own ideas about what Jesus said or did.

I trust the 12 Apostles. I trust those that appointed in their place, and the line of success, unbroken for all of these ages.

Gnostics have no such claim.

It is all about trust. I trust Jesus, and what he did, and who He put in charge of His Church. Why should I not? It would be a sin for me to accuse any of them without evidence.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#431924 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).
What name are you referring to? All Christians were just called Christians by others. Catholic was only used to describe the emerging church structure that arose. I agree, Catholics should not call themselves Catholics, but Christians only. But I understand why they do with all the denominations now that exist.
If you mean Roman Catholic Church, that is not, and never has been the name of the Church. Roman is a Protestant name attached to the Catholic Church, not their own. They have 23 Rites, and the proper name of the Western churches is the Latin Rite, as we mostly come from the Latin tradition in Western Europe. But there are 22 others.
It is really just named the Catholic Church, but simply means Universal Church. No, Jesus did not use that, but nor did he denounce it. Why would he? Universal is precisely what he wanted, for us ALL to come to HIS Church.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say,‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

JN 17:21 That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23 I in them and you in me--so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jeremiah 32:39 I will give them singleness of heart and action, so that they will always fear me and that all will then go well for them and for their children after them.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431925 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true."
- opinion
- there is no proof that Jesus rose in bodily form - that would be only belief.
- for something to be true - there must be facts that back up the claim. So far, all you have is circumstantial.
"Too many Catholics are outright heathens."
- only men have claimed other men to be this.
- "God" never stated that a specific religion or belief is heresy and those who practice those beliefs are heathens. You are reaching.
No, it is history. The ONLY evidence is that there were witnesses, and they testified to what they saw.

You either must believe them, or call them liars or crazy. I believe them, since I cannot prove them liars, or crazy.

Those who are reaching for alternative stories to what was written down, are usually those trying to justify their own personal desires and sins.

There is no motive for lying in this case. Being a Christian is very difficult, and very challenging. Every heresy in the world was some attempt to make it easier and skip some moral commandment.

I know, because I still struggle with some of His commands. They simply are not easy. I have chosen to accept the most difficult religion on earth.

I could have gone an easier route and chosen another.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431926 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... "
- if you can't beat them - BEAT, BURN AND TORTURE them. Let's get "medieval"??!!
Christianity does divide.
Never been done. Only the secular (non-Catholic authority) in Medieval times had any power to execute people. You see, you are falling for the same historical lies as the atheists, or propaganda issued by the early Protestants. Fox's Book of Martyrs, perhaps?

First, to truly grasp the situation, you must go to original sources. And when you do, as I have, you will find that:

Galileo was never treated unjustly.

The Crusades were not evil.

Medieval peoples did not believe the world was flat, or failed to bathe often, or were primitive in thought or deed.

That the Inquisition was evil (any of them), or had the power to execute people.(I learned this from a Jewish atheist who wrote about the history of New Mexico, and Crypto-Jews. Even HE had to tell the audience, before he could proceed with the lecture, that the Inquisition was not as we think.)

There are countless vile lies about Christian history. Naturally, because we are despised, as Jesus said we would be.

When I say the Church needs to get Medieval, what I mean is that it needs to ASSERT ITS FULL MORAL AUTHORITY OVER ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE. Governments included, since the separation of church and state never meant what most people think it means either.

That does NOT mean burning at the stake, which ITSELF was strictly anti-Christian, is being endorsed. Excommunication and exile are the only legitimate punishments, unless one continues to push their own beliefs as fact upon the population, then stronger measures MIGHT be justified.

And I am testing all of you. If the word "Medieval" conjures up ideas of witch burning, then you are ignorant of history. That is not at all what Medieval times was about. It was about the development of the most technologically advanced civilization the world has ever seen, about people that struggled to make a better world, who brought us science, and universities, and the Renaissance.

All of those that lie about Medieval people, and who they actual were, and what they actual did, are vile creatures.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431927 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Baptist? Is that the best you can be?
You say you believe in all what Jesus taught, but you are Baptist.
I think you are trying to pull a fast one over someone.
If you were to believe in all of what Jesus taught, you would/could not be Baptist.
Please don't mislead others.
You are right. I should be Catholic.

But I am not trying to mislead others. Nor do I claim to be part of the only true Church. Nor does my own church make this claim.

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