Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431832 Apr 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Yankee Yahoo"
KayMarie, please, the Catholics WROTE the Holy Scriptures. For 300 years Christians had no Bible as we know it today, until THEY put it together. There is oral tradition, and there is written tradition. Oral tradition became Sacred Tradition, the traditions of God, who indeed likes incense, and ritual and all the trapping of holiness. He wants us to WORK at our faith, and that means more than just going to Church on Sunday. Written Tradition became the Bible, which THEY, the Catholics, combined and went to GREAT LENGTHS to put together, and during a time when they were still being persecuted, despite tolerance from the Roman state.
No, they don't worship Mary. They respect and honor her as the Mother of Jesus. No, they don't pray to the saints, they ASK for their prayers. No, they don't believe the dead are dead, but in Heaven with God praying for us to get through this sometimes awful and challenging life. And every ritual performed at mass is what the Jews were COMMANDED to do by God, and nowhere was that changed or altered. No, pagan elements were NOT introduced, but some pagan holidays were Christianize to respect the culture and honor the people, without compromising the the faith in any way. And no one fought against slavery, elevated women, fought against abortion (a SERIOUS problem in Roman times), and maintained marriage between a man and woman (against the pagans who thought otherwise for centuries) more so than the Catholic Church.
In fact, I knew a few Jews that became Catholic when they saw it was more Jewish than their own religion, and were shocked at how true to Levite priesthood it was.
..........
There was no CC until Constantine declared it, and made it a state religion. All of the N.T. was already written...as was the O.T. There was a group that compiled those books into what today we call the Bible. Whoever they were, they did a good job.
Rome was not Jewish (hated the Jews), and could not be successors to the Levites.
That's not actual true. The word catholic was used in the 1st Century, it simply means universal in Greek, nothing special. Greeks was the common tongue of the age.

And Constantine did not make any religion the state religion, it merely made it the law to be tolerated for the first time. The Empire was being torn apart, and the last thing he would want to do was make the State Religion a religion that barely %25 of the population adhered to. Yes, the Empire was still mostly heathen at the time, not Christian, so it would have made no sense to unite under a minority banner. But to tolerate %25 would definitely serve to bring more peace, since the Christians were hated by all.

But these are common myths taught in school, just like the myth that Medieval people thought the earth was flat, or they never bathed, or Christians are against science. All lies, all misinformation, and a lot of it by the early Protestants that Marxist used later.
truth

Perth, Australia

#431833 Apr 9, 2013
they need what church need.apostol Paul say to you..
nadopunja se od vas sto crkva treba=its fill up what your church need..Are you for sure every spirit is holy?

What they say to you..
don't drink from every river..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431834 Apr 9, 2013
who="Yankee Yahoo"
That's not actual true. The word catholic was used in the 1st Century, it simply means universal in Greek, nothing special. Greeks was the common tongue of the age.
And Constantine did not make any religion the state religion, it merely made it the law to be tolerated for the first time. The Empire was being torn apart, and the last thing he would want to do was make the State Religion a religion that barely %25 of the population adhered to. Yes, the Empire was still mostly heathen at the time, not Christian, so it would have made no sense to unite under a minority banner. But to tolerate %25 would definitely serve to bring more peace, since the Christians were hated by all.
But these are common myths taught in school, just like the myth that Medieval people thought the earth was flat, or they never bathed, or Christians are against science. All lies, all misinformation, and a lot of it by the early Protestants that Marxist used later.

**********

I know what catholic means...all the more reason that a group that calls itself catholic with a capital C, cannot declare that it is the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

I also know what 'science' means. It is not THE truth, it is a SEARCH for truth. Flat earth was one of 'science's' missteps...as was the CC war against Galileo.

KM
truth

Perth, Australia

#431835 Apr 9, 2013
Greek civilization is not only one..its not mean you liked me or not.
We usually except what we liked but judge whats not liked.
When you study..you liked know about everything..it is desire within 'in' you as well every other person.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431836 Apr 9, 2013
Clay, Anthony, how many converts have you gotten with that tactic?

Probably not many, right? Let's try a different approach.

You need to clean you house before you call others dirty. It is a tragedy that all of Europe has pretty much been lost, on your watch. It is more of a tragedy that more Protestants wanted Rick Santorum than Catholics did, and that the vast majority of Catholics are liberal, unrepentant, abortion-defending, and full of feminist nuns who openly defy the pope.

You want to win over the Protestants? Then be better than them. Clean out your house of heathens. Quit trying not to rock the boat in politics, and start acting like the moral authority that Christ empowered you to be.

Basically, quit being cowards because Martin Luther beat you over the head. Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... and then the Protestants might take notice, and wonder if they are in the right Church or not.

Jesus did not come to bring peace ...
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#431837 Apr 9, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true. And if they did delight in saying they were right all along, then they would not be very good Christians ... and all the more reason to reunite. Too many Catholics are outright heathens. We let Luther take the Church from us, we can take it back.:)
Only if you stun the brains of all Protestants.
Remember waht Luther objected to?
Have you resolved all those problems?
Luther translated the Bible into German so all could read it.
Whether you believe that is a good thing is debatable.

In 1510 he visited Rome on behalf of a number of Augustinian monasteries, and was appalled by the corruption he found there.

Luther became increasingly angry about the clergy selling 'indulgences'- promised remission from punishments for sin, either for someone still living or for one who had died and was believed to be in purgatory. On 31 October 1517, he published his '95 Theses', attacking papal abuses and the sale of indulgences.

You still trade in indulgences.

86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?
87. Again: What does the pope remit or dispense to people who, by their perfect repentance, have a right to plenary remission or dispensation?

He revolted against the church of the time for its corruption.

Can you ever undo the damage the popes have wrought over their rule?

I think not!
truth

Perth, Australia

#431838 Apr 9, 2013
it is desire of your system keep power spiritual economical financial and so on..
in all aspect you need many as crowd.
your system finance is as many could to be come rich rich in all aspect.
you need spiritual too.

In..you need in within your system..where is not border for your systems does meter you go on which way..its some desire ..no limits..yes you choose not limit as desire keep your system flow as river financial economical spiritual..flow as river..
don't drink from every river..
see

Jesus cry on very laud voice see people how they giving themself in large wide way .
Did you lift up your soul for wide way?

Proverb 4;23
guard your heart within is spirit of life..

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431839 Apr 9, 2013
“They [socialists, communists, or nihilists] debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust. Lured, in fine, by the greed of present goods, which is ‘the root of all evils, which some coveting have erred from the faith’(1 Tim. 6:10.3), they assail the right of property sanctioned by natural law; and by a scheme of horrible wickedness, while they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common whatever has been acquired either by title of lawful inheritance, or by labor of brain and hands, or by thrift in one's mode of life.”(Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)

Catholics, do you know how many of your own flock have never heard these words from a past pope?

Do you know how many Americans have never heard them at all, and actual believe Catholicism embraces socialist principles?

This is quote that should be in ever church in this country. One little effort, and it would change more than you could imagine. Those who would get angry, would expose themselves as frauds. Those who embraced it will be your true flock.

Ask you priests to print this, and many other things the popes say about the politics of our age, which is nothing new.
Expert in all things

Cottonwood, CA

#431840 Apr 9, 2013
truth wrote:
Greek civilization is not only one..its not mean you liked me or not.
We usually except what we liked but judge whats not liked.
When you study..you liked know about everything..it is desire within 'in' you as well every other person.
Fried apples we must you and everything in study you shoe brown flies in soup mean sand in extra.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431841 Apr 9, 2013
“...there is need for a union of brave minds with all the resources they can command. The harvest of misery is before our eyes, and the dreadful projects of the most disastrous national upheavals are threatening us from the growing power of the socialistic movement. They have insidiously worked their way into the very heart of the community, and in the darkness of their secret gatherings, and in the open light of day, in their writings and their harangues, they are urging the masses onward to sedition; they fling aside religious discipline; they scorn duties; they clamor only for rights; they are working incessantly on the multitudes of the needy which daily grow greater, and which, because of their poverty are easily deluded and led into error. It is equally the concern of the State and of religion, and all good men

Saint Pius X (1903-1914)
should deem it a sacred duty to preserve and guard both in the honor which is their due.”(Encyclical Graves de Communi Re, January 18, 1901, n. 21)

The Catholics have no excuse for letting the world come to the state it has. They were aware of the threat before it began. They were aware of the danger that threatens all of mankind now.

And yet, here you you, arguing with Protestants, and Protestants arguing with Catholics, while Christ bleeds for us all.
truth

Perth, Australia

#431842 Apr 9, 2013
your body is creation from dust..clean your dust..ah yes ..dust into dust..we not care what you say..i ignor what so ever..
one things no

up to me
guard your heart within is spirit= life

by

we not care for rich evil people which on nice way do many things without limit..wide way

dust into dust is dirt of your body..no you don't need care for outside appearance..no..is that out or in..
in its inside is something deference which you have order
don't lift up your spirit..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431843 Apr 9, 2013
who="Tiger Lily"
Only if you stun the brains of all Protestants.
Remember waht Luther objected to?
Have you resolved all those problems?
Luther translated the Bible into German so all could read it.
Whether you believe that is a good thing is debatable.
In 1510 he visited Rome on behalf of a number of Augustinian monasteries, and was appalled by the corruption he found there.
Luther became increasingly angry about the clergy selling 'indulgences'- promised remission from punishments for sin, either for someone still living or for one who had died and was believed to be in purgatory. On 31 October 1517, he published his '95 Theses', attacking papal abuses and the sale of indulgences.
You still trade in indulgences.
86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?
87. Again: What does the pope remit or dispense to people who, by their perfect repentance, have a right to plenary remission or dispensation?
He revolted against the church of the time for its corruption.
Can you ever undo the damage the popes have wrought over their rule?
I think not!

**********

The CC's declare that they do not trade in indulgences (among other things).

KM

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431844 Apr 9, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Only if you stun the brains of all Protestants.
Remember waht Luther objected to?
Have you resolved all those problems?
Luther translated the Bible into German so all could read it.
Whether you believe that is a good thing is debatable.
In 1510 he visited Rome on behalf of a number of Augustinian monasteries, and was appalled by the corruption he found there.
Luther became increasingly angry about the clergy selling 'indulgences'- promised remission from punishments for sin, either for someone still living or for one who had died and was believed to be in purgatory. On 31 October 1517, he published his '95 Theses', attacking papal abuses and the sale of indulgences.
You still trade in indulgences.
86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?
87. Again: What does the pope remit or dispense to people who, by their perfect repentance, have a right to plenary remission or dispensation?
He revolted against the church of the time for its corruption.
Can you ever undo the damage the popes have wrought over their rule?
I think not!
Jesus already gave you the answer. You must forgive them. And as Jesus went to the most lowly of people, so must you join with those you think are lost, and help it from within.

Luther's error was separating. He could have stayed, and done more good. He was not always right, either, but quite arrogant, and a fool in many ways. He had no business removing seven books that many before him accepted. Who is one man to judge the Scripture and what belongs, and what does not? It took a council of learned men to put it together.

So forgive, and forget, as your Lord God does your own sins.
Clay

United States

#431845 Apr 9, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Clay, Anthony, how many converts have you gotten with that tactic?
Probably not many, right? Let's try a different approach.
You need to clean you house before you call others dirty. It is a tragedy that all of Europe has pretty much been lost, on your watch. It is more of a tragedy that more Protestants wanted Rick Santorum than Catholics did, and that the vast majority of Catholics are liberal, unrepentant, abortion-defending, and full of feminist nuns who openly defy the pope.
You want to win over the Protestants? Then be better than them. Clean out your house of heathens. Quit trying not to rock the boat in politics, and start acting like the moral authority that Christ empowered you to be.
Basically, quit being cowards because Martin Luther beat you over the head. Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... and then the Protestants might take notice, and wonder if they are in the right Church or not.
Jesus did not come to bring peace ...
Lol, you think we're trying to win converts on this forum? In a perfect world maybe.
We been on here for a couple yrs; raking over the same ol stuff with the same ol people.

Friend, not one of these people on this forum are interested in what Catholics actually believe. You sound just like me when I first came on here. If you stick around, you'll experience bigotry in its most blatant form; ignorance beyond comprehension.
They do not want truth, dialogue or any understandings of what Catholicism is. Trust me, this isn't a normal situation. Their conversion is not even on my radar. I come on here because I enjoy theological discussions, not to 'get them to understand'.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431846 Apr 9, 2013
who="Expert in all things"
Fried apples we must you and everything in study you shoe brown flies in soup mean sand in extra.

**********

An expert should understand that this person is not proficient in the English language. Don't make fun of them.
KM
truth

Perth, Australia

#431847 Apr 9, 2013
social principles=system
yes its parts of your system but not all within systems
many many systems
many many way you can organice..

within you is not what others want
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo
evil wish can be some
you are wrong with that its open lead as well mislead

good Leaders very bad Leaders
good Masters and very bad Masters
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo

you are born with talent within in yourself
''talent'' its your intellect in tel act
in tel act
look under act
under every action become reaction=its law of your science=diploma

Your Creator left law in space and time.
Its holy way hide what is God way.
Its your wish to search to know.
Its desire within 'in'.i n. you as your Creator created you on own image..
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#431848 Apr 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Tiger Lily"
Only if you stun the brains of all Protestants.
Remember waht Luther objected to?
Have you resolved all those problems?
Luther translated the Bible into German so all could read it.
Whether you believe that is a good thing is debatable.
In 1510 he visited Rome on behalf of a number of Augustinian monasteries, and was appalled by the corruption he found there.
Luther became increasingly angry about the clergy selling 'indulgences'- promised remission from punishments for sin, either for someone still living or for one who had died and was believed to be in purgatory. On 31 October 1517, he published his '95 Theses', attacking papal abuses and the sale of indulgences.
You still trade in indulgences.
86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?
87. Again: What does the pope remit or dispense to people who, by their perfect repentance, have a right to plenary remission or dispensation?
He revolted against the church of the time for its corruption.
Can you ever undo the damage the popes have wrought over their rule?
I think not!
**********
The CC's declare that they do not trade in indulgences (among other things).
KM
But they do anyway. They also charge for masses said for the deceased as if it would help the soul out of Purgatory.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431849 Apr 9, 2013
BENEDICT XVI (2005 - present):
“We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything”

Benedict XVI “The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person &#8722; every person &#8722; needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need.… In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live ‘by bread alone’(Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) &#8722; a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human.”(Encyclical Deus Caritas Est, December 25, 2005, n. 28)

It doesn't get any more American than that. The Founders would have applauded, if not been outright shocked this was from a Catholic pope.

So when are you going to get the word out, my Catholic brothers? When will the Lion of Judah wake up? When will the full force and might of Rome be raised up? We are war, full spiritual war.
Expert in all things

Cottonwood, CA

#431850 Apr 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Expert in all things"
Fried apples we must you and everything in study you shoe brown flies in soup mean sand in extra.
**********
An expert should understand that this person is not proficient in the English language. Don't make fun of them.
KM
You are right, no excuse. Thanks for keeping me in check.

My apologies truth, I got frustrated because I did not get your point, but I do want to understand what you are saying.
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