Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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who="Yankee Yahoo" Dang it, where is the edit option to correct typos?

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You can use the directional arrows to return to a typo, delete the error and re-type it; or the backspace arrow, which will delete everything it goes over.
You can also shade the whole sentence, then delete.

It's a LOT easier than the old pen and paper method.

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I know for certain that what you speak about the Catholic faith is not truthful. Therefore one can conclude the Holy Spirit is not guiding you in the preaching department.
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And you would question the supposed first pope just to declare someone else to be wrong? You would declare the Word of God to be false rather than admit the failings of the CC?
I didn't write the book of Acts...and when Peter preached to the house of Cornelius, they all spoke with tongues. All of the Apostles AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS spoke with tongues...as well as many others.
My 'preaching' is simply telling what the Good Book says.
You don't seem to have any respect for that book.
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I have the utmost respect for the Holy Scriptures of the NT and the Church that gave it to us and told us it was Holy Scriptures. Its their interpretations that matter. Not yours or your husbands or the thousands of other self proclaimed authorities. Don't take that as an insult, but rather, constructive criticism. Build on the truths you hear and quit ignoring it - as if you'll be excused because you 'already made up your mind'...

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I know for certain that what you speak about the Catholic faith is not truthful. Therefore one can conclude the Holy Spirit is not guiding you in the preaching department.
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SO YOU ARE SAYING THE HOLY SPIRIT CONTRADICTS HIMSELF...

IF YOU DO NOT SAY THE SAME THINGS GOD SAID... YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS A LIAR..

YOUR CHURCH NOT ONLY IS SAYING THINGS GOD NEVER SAID ...YOU ARE DOING

THAT WHICH GOD FORBIDS.

AND PRIDE YOUR SELF IN IT.

Pro_16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Pro_18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.

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KayMarie, please, the Catholics WROTE the Holy Scriptures. For 300 years Christians had no Bible as we know it today, until THEY put it together. There is oral tradition, and there is written tradition. Oral tradition became Sacred Tradition, the traditions of God, who indeed likes incense, and ritual and all the trapping of holiness. He wants us to WORK at our faith, and that means more than just going to Church on Sunday. Written Tradition became the Bible, which THEY, the Catholics, combined and went to GREAT LENGTHS to put together, and during a time when they were still being persecuted, despite tolerance from the Roman state.
No, they don't worship Mary. They respect and honor her as the Mother of Jesus. No, they don't pray to the saints, they ASK for their prayers. No, they don't believe the dead are dead, but in Heaven with God praying for us to get through this sometimes awful and challenging life. And every ritual performed at mass is what the Jews were COMMANDED to do by God, and nowhere was that changed or altered. No, pagan elements were NOT introduced, but some pagan holidays were Christianize to respect the culture and honor the people, without compromising the the faith in any way. And no one fought against slavery, elevated women, fought against abortion (a SERIOUS problem in Roman times), and maintained marriage between a man and woman (against the pagans who thought otherwise for centuries) more so than the Catholic Church.
In fact, I knew a few Jews that became Catholic when they saw it was more Jewish than their own religion, and were shocked at how true to Levite priesthood it was.

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There was no CC until Constantine declared it, and made it a state religion. All of the N.T. was already written...as was the O.T. There was a group that compiled those books into what today we call the Bible. Whoever they were, they did a good job.

Rome was not Jewish (hated the Jews), and could not be successors to the Levites.

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I have the utmost respect for the Holy Scriptures of the NT and the Church that gave it to us and told us it was Holy Scriptures. Its their interpretations that matter. Not yours or your husbands or the thousands of other self proclaimed authorities. Don't take that as an insult, but rather, constructive criticism. Build on the truths you hear and quit ignoring it - as if you'll be excused because you 'already made up your mind'...
WHAT I AM HEARING...IS THE SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE OVER AND OVER DAY AFTER DAY...
NAME CALLING AND INSULT ROLL OUT HERE IN THIS FORUM FROM YOU CATHOLIC CONTINUALLY...
NO SCRIPTURES ARE OFFERED...JUST DENYING AND NAME CALLING...
NO DEFENSE NO SUBSTANCE JUST THE SAME OLD RHETORIC ABOUT YOUR ONE TRUE APOSTATE CHURCH..
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SO YOU ARE SAYING THE HOLY SPIRIT CONTRADICTS HIMSELF...
IF YOU DO NOT SAY THE SAME THINGS GOD SAID... YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS A LIAR..
YOUR CHURCH NOT ONLY IS SAYING THINGS GOD NEVER SAID ...YOU ARE DOING
THAT WHICH GOD FORBIDS.
AND PRIDE YOUR SELF IN IT.
Pro_16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Pro_18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
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"you are saying the Holy Spirit contradicts Himself"

yawn. I just got done telling you that you speak untrue things about Catholics, then what do you go and do?

You guys are all proof that the Holy Spirit is not guiding you to scripture truths. You just confirmed it yourself. The Holy Spirit does not lie. Only one of yas can be the fortunate ones then. Right?

The Holy Spirit already spoketh on sacred scripture. You are not going to discover anything not revealed previously. The Apostles already revealed their teachings, sir. You do not teach the same as they did.
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There was no CC until Constantine declared it, and made it a state religion. All of the N.T. was already written...as was the O.T. There was a group that compiled those books into what today we call the Bible. Whoever they were, they did a good job.
Rome was not Jewish (hated the Jews), and could not be successors to the Levites.
All of these statements were written BEFORE Constantine:

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

"[A]ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished." Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).

“…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.” The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).

"[N]or does it consist in this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180).

“For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled.” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200).

”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God's priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).
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WHAT I AM HEARING...IS THE SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE OVER AND OVER DAY AFTER DAY...
NAME CALLING AND INSULT ROLL OUT HERE IN THIS FORUM FROM YOU CATHOLIC CONTINUALLY...
NO SCRIPTURES ARE OFFERED...JUST DENYING AND NAME CALLING...
NO DEFENSE NO SUBSTANCE JUST THE SAME OLD RHETORIC ABOUT YOUR ONE TRUE APOSTATE CHURCH..
You guys desperately want to get into a Bible verse warfare fight. Honestly, this seems to get your blood rushing, as you sling those passages at each other, as if you'd feel justified as you stand before God, because you saw verse chapter verse and you formed it to what you needed it to say.

The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture. But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.
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WHAT I AM HEARING...IS THE SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE OVER AND OVER DAY AFTER DAY...
NAME CALLING AND INSULT ROLL OUT HERE IN THIS FORUM FROM YOU CATHOLIC CONTINUALLY...
NO SCRIPTURES ARE OFFERED...JUST DENYING AND NAME CALLING...
NO DEFENSE NO SUBSTANCE JUST THE SAME OLD RHETORIC ABOUT YOUR ONE TRUE APOSTATE CHURCH..
Do you scream and holler when you speak to people in public or at your gatherings? Why must you constantly do it here?

How is it that on the one hand you accuse the Catholic Church of trying to deny salvation to protestants by claiming to be the one, true Church and on the other call us a pagan apostate church? If we are pagan, why do you care if we claim exclusivity?

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who="Yankee Yahoo" OK Protestants, let's stop with the Catholic-bashing. While there may have been a legitimate reason to explode into separate churches during the time of Martin Luther, those days a long gone, and any reason or justification to remain separate now is very questionable. Were there many in the Church that were corrupt and unfaithful? Of course, always have been, and always will. Is that an excuse to leave it? No.
Undeniable facts. Jesus established one church. That's how God rolls, and always has. He did not make two tribes to be the priesthood, he made one, the Levites. There is only one priesthood, one moral authority, one God, one Church. All ancient records confirm this. The word "catholic" was used in the 1st Century, as was the Eucharist and everything else.
In Martin Luther's days, they didn't have the means to confirm much of this. So a lot of nonsense erupted that is proven untrue now. Modern evidence confirms more than ever that the Catholic Church, or at the very LEAST, the Orthodox Church, had it right.
What really irks me is that most Catholics are not Catholics, and many Protestants are more Catholic than Catholics. And yet, what irks me even more, is that far ... FAR more protestors are out there in front of Planned Parenthood, or at the Walk for Life, then evangelicals. Why is that?
And guess what? Even the Catholic philosopher Peter Kreeft acknowledges that Protestants DO have something going, they have the Holy Spirit, and that is why Latin Americans are leaving the Catholics and going Protestant in great numbers. He admits this. A Catholic.
So, does that mean we should remain divided? Or try and unite the Holy Spirit and the One True Church again? More than ever, in this day in age, we must unite. That means putting aside your pride and your hubris. That means Catholics better stop saying they are proud to be Catholic, and start calling yourself Christians, as that is what you really are. And that means Protestant or Evangelicals need to stop with the misinformation and lies you keep spouting about your Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
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Hey, Yankee...You are right that all Christians need to get together. Jesus prayed that we would all be ONE. But I don't think we should gather under any existing banner. Wouldn't the 'folks' delight in being able to say that WE were right all along?
There is One Christ Jesus, and He must be first. I wouldn't fly any other banner.
There are some CC's who accept the Holy Spirit baptism.
KM
Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true. And if they did delight in saying they were right all along, then they would not be very good Christians ... and all the more reason to reunite. Too many Catholics are outright heathens. We let Luther take the Church from us, we can take it back.:)
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your mouth is place where going in and out..your creator created already your body..
an en on in un
an in on
Your talk and speech is product of mind.
How you look see and know?
Did you see very well when they told you new is already there?
No no no nothing new.
some crowd place where is gathering for prayers are large group people..
place when you traveling ports station airport some crowd larg group people
music large crowd people
sport large crowd people whats so ever..now
where is that new what you introduce..nothing is new..nothing under sky is new..
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Spirit stay in human body..what you did know why they seek our spirit for further..i am going where you can't go..where..this civilization is been sustain many times..yes destructed too many times..yes..now
Did you know what your Master prepare?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo

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KayMarie, please, the Catholics WROTE the Holy Scriptures. For 300 years Christians had no Bible as we know it today, until THEY put it together. There is oral tradition, and there is written tradition. Oral tradition became Sacred Tradition, the traditions of God, who indeed likes incense, and ritual and all the trapping of holiness. He wants us to WORK at our faith, and that means more than just going to Church on Sunday. Written Tradition became the Bible, which THEY, the Catholics, combined and went to GREAT LENGTHS to put together, and during a time when they were still being persecuted, despite tolerance from the Roman state.
No, they don't worship Mary. They respect and honor her as the Mother of Jesus. No, they don't pray to the saints, they ASK for their prayers. No, they don't believe the dead are dead, but in Heaven with God praying for us to get through this sometimes awful and challenging life. And every ritual performed at mass is what the Jews were COMMANDED to do by God, and nowhere was that changed or altered. No, pagan elements were NOT introduced, but some pagan holidays were Christianize to respect the culture and honor the people, without compromising the the faith in any way. And no one fought against slavery, elevated women, fought against abortion (a SERIOUS problem in Roman times), and maintained marriage between a man and woman (against the pagans who thought otherwise for centuries) more so than the Catholic Church.
In fact, I knew a few Jews that became Catholic when they saw it was more Jewish than their own religion, and were shocked at how true to Levite priesthood it was.
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There was no CC until Constantine declared it, and made it a state religion. All of the N.T. was already written...as was the O.T. There was a group that compiled those books into what today we call the Bible. Whoever they were, they did a good job.
Rome was not Jewish (hated the Jews), and could not be successors to the Levites.
That's not actual true. The word catholic was used in the 1st Century, it simply means universal in Greek, nothing special. Greeks was the common tongue of the age.

And Constantine did not make any religion the state religion, it merely made it the law to be tolerated for the first time. The Empire was being torn apart, and the last thing he would want to do was make the State Religion a religion that barely %25 of the population adhered to. Yes, the Empire was still mostly heathen at the time, not Christian, so it would have made no sense to unite under a minority banner. But to tolerate %25 would definitely serve to bring more peace, since the Christians were hated by all.

But these are common myths taught in school, just like the myth that Medieval people thought the earth was flat, or they never bathed, or Christians are against science. All lies, all misinformation, and a lot of it by the early Protestants that Marxist used later.
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they need what church need.apostol Paul say to you..
nadopunja se od vas sto crkva treba=its fill up what your church need..Are you for sure every spirit is holy?

What they say to you..
don't drink from every river..

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That's not actual true. The word catholic was used in the 1st Century, it simply means universal in Greek, nothing special. Greeks was the common tongue of the age.
And Constantine did not make any religion the state religion, it merely made it the law to be tolerated for the first time. The Empire was being torn apart, and the last thing he would want to do was make the State Religion a religion that barely %25 of the population adhered to. Yes, the Empire was still mostly heathen at the time, not Christian, so it would have made no sense to unite under a minority banner. But to tolerate %25 would definitely serve to bring more peace, since the Christians were hated by all.
But these are common myths taught in school, just like the myth that Medieval people thought the earth was flat, or they never bathed, or Christians are against science. All lies, all misinformation, and a lot of it by the early Protestants that Marxist used later.

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I know what catholic means...all the more reason that a group that calls itself catholic with a capital C, cannot declare that it is the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

I also know what 'science' means. It is not THE truth, it is a SEARCH for truth. Flat earth was one of 'science's' missteps...as was the CC war against Galileo.

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Greek civilization is not only one..its not mean you liked me or not.
We usually except what we liked but judge whats not liked.
When you study..you liked know about everything..it is desire within 'in' you as well every other person.

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Clay, Anthony, how many converts have you gotten with that tactic?

Probably not many, right? Let's try a different approach.

You need to clean you house before you call others dirty. It is a tragedy that all of Europe has pretty much been lost, on your watch. It is more of a tragedy that more Protestants wanted Rick Santorum than Catholics did, and that the vast majority of Catholics are liberal, unrepentant, abortion-defending, and full of feminist nuns who openly defy the pope.

You want to win over the Protestants? Then be better than them. Clean out your house of heathens. Quit trying not to rock the boat in politics, and start acting like the moral authority that Christ empowered you to be.

Basically, quit being cowards because Martin Luther beat you over the head. Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... and then the Protestants might take notice, and wonder if they are in the right Church or not.

Jesus did not come to bring peace ...
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Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true. And if they did delight in saying they were right all along, then they would not be very good Christians ... and all the more reason to reunite. Too many Catholics are outright heathens. We let Luther take the Church from us, we can take it back.:)
Only if you stun the brains of all Protestants.
Remember waht Luther objected to?
Have you resolved all those problems?
Luther translated the Bible into German so all could read it.
Whether you believe that is a good thing is debatable.

In 1510 he visited Rome on behalf of a number of Augustinian monasteries, and was appalled by the corruption he found there.

Luther became increasingly angry about the clergy selling 'indulgences'- promised remission from punishments for sin, either for someone still living or for one who had died and was believed to be in purgatory. On 31 October 1517, he published his '95 Theses', attacking papal abuses and the sale of indulgences.

You still trade in indulgences.

86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?
87. Again: What does the pope remit or dispense to people who, by their perfect repentance, have a right to plenary remission or dispensation?

He revolted against the church of the time for its corruption.

Can you ever undo the damage the popes have wrought over their rule?

I think not!
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it is desire of your system keep power spiritual economical financial and so on..
in all aspect you need many as crowd.
your system finance is as many could to be come rich rich in all aspect.
you need spiritual too.

In..you need in within your system..where is not border for your systems does meter you go on which way..its some desire ..no limits..yes you choose not limit as desire keep your system flow as river financial economical spiritual..flow as river..
don't drink from every river..
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Jesus cry on very laud voice see people how they giving themself in large wide way .
Did you lift up your soul for wide way?

Proverb 4;23
guard your heart within is spirit of life..

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“They [socialists, communists, or nihilists] debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust. Lured, in fine, by the greed of present goods, which is ‘the root of all evils, which some coveting have erred from the faith’(1 Tim. 6:10.3), they assail the right of property sanctioned by natural law; and by a scheme of horrible wickedness, while they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common whatever has been acquired either by title of lawful inheritance, or by labor of brain and hands, or by thrift in one's mode of life.”(Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)

Catholics, do you know how many of your own flock have never heard these words from a past pope?

Do you know how many Americans have never heard them at all, and actual believe Catholicism embraces socialist principles?

This is quote that should be in ever church in this country. One little effort, and it would change more than you could imagine. Those who would get angry, would expose themselves as frauds. Those who embraced it will be your true flock.

Ask you priests to print this, and many other things the popes say about the politics of our age, which is nothing new.

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