Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#431719 Apr 8, 2013
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Tiger Lily wrote:
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Punctuation was not in the original writings. So shifting a comma is hardly addin to or taking away from scripture.
If you believe scripture to be infallible, which version is it?
There are errors in many different versions.
They can hardly be all correct.
Which version is infallible?
I have no desire to waste my time with a person that has the gall to say that she can edit and correct God's Sacred Infallible Word.....

Since: Jun 10

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#431720 Apr 8, 2013
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Tiger Lily wrote:
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Punctuation was done by some abbot as he rode on a donkey.
Only the scripture is inspired. Not the punctuation which can vary in various versions, languages and translations.
If as you say the comma IS in the correct place, we have a dilemma.
Jesus was NOT in Paradise on Good Friday. Scriptures prove this.
A very wise man told me one day "Before you argue with a fool, be sure than he is not doing the same".

Am sure that applies also to a "she"....period...th e end..
guest

United States

#431721 Apr 8, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
The Apostles kept a seventh day Sabbath.
In regard to the Sabbath, Christ says, "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."
Not a Sabbath, but the Sabbath.
So how can the Lord’s Day be anything other than the Sabbath?
Christ says also, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27, 28.
He does not say, the Sabbath was made for the Jews, and a Sabbath for the Gentiles, but "THE Sabbath was made for man."--All mankind.
Some may think that our first day, is in reality the seventh, but this is settled when we examine Matt. 28:1, and Luke 23:56, & 24:1, where a plain distinction is made between the two days. Matt. says, "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week," etc.
Luke says, "And rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning," etc.
After having examined the ancient custom in relation to the first day, we will now see what it was in regard to the seventh or Sabbath.
The first passage I will notice, is the one just quoted in Luke 23:56
"And they returned and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Mark this: "And rested the Sabbath day, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
Acts 13:42, says, "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles* besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
Verse 44, "And the next Sabbath-day came almost the whole city together, to hear the word of God. "
Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made."
Chap. 17:2 "And Paul as his manner was; went in unto them, and three Sabbath-days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." This says, "as his manner was."
28:4, "And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath and persuaded the Jews and Greeks." This is "every Sabbath."
11th verse, "And he continued there a year and six months." Now if it was Paul's "manner" to reason in the synagogue "EVERY Sabbath,"
He must have in this place, observed seventy-eight Sabbaths.
It is evident that Christ had his eye on the observance of Sabbath, as late certainly as A. D. 70, when Jerusalem was destroyed when he said: "Pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath-day. " Matt. 24:20.
But if this "tribulation" spoken of, has reference to the "Papal persecution," as many believe, then they were directed in the observance of the Sabbath, to a much later period. Paul in Heb. 4:4, says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works," ...--Not the first, but the seventh day.
OK, ignore what scripture teaches at your own peril (or ignorance) if you persist.
Follow men's tradition if that's what you think is correct.
It certainly boggles the mind to think that Catholics believe the Pope can completely ignore the word of God and do whatever he wants.
Clay

United States

#431722 Apr 8, 2013
guest wrote:
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It certainly boggles the mind to think that Catholics believe the Pope can completely ignore the word of God and do whatever he wants.
The truth guest: The Pope does not ignore the word of God. No Pope has any authority to change what the Apostles taught. He'd be thrown out of the Papacy if He tried. This is Catholic teaching. I don't think you guys wanna believe what I just said.
Its more convenient for you to think the Pope just struts around Rome dictating whatever scriptural interpretations he sees fit and we Catholics oblige.

Now the truth guest, every single one of you teach contrary to what the Apostles taught. This is fact. You're reading sacred scriptures from the 21st century mind. Using your pre determined ideology. You wanna know what the Apostles actually taught using their letters and verbal communication? READ THE WRITINGS OF THEIR STUDENTS.
(I didn't yell btw)
Clay

United States

#431723 Apr 8, 2013
Most of you 'Christians' completely ignore the writings of the Disciples of the Apostles. Makes no sense. I think you'd be horrified that they turn out to be really Catholic.
You convince yourselves that they are forged; or since it ain't in the Bible, you won't consider it..
Both scenarios require one to submit to complete ignorance. To me, that is very sad.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431724 Apr 8, 2013
StarC wrote:
Majority of Christian worship on Sunday.
Catholics can worship daily like the Apostles did.
Should Christians worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) or on the Sunday?
"In the Holy Bible, we read,“So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it because on it God rested from all the work that He had done in creation.”[Genesis 2:3]“Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.”[Exodus 20:8]
Because of this, some Christian religions, such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, condemn those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. They say that God has ordained that we worship on the last day of the week, Saturday, the day of rest and not on the first day of the week, Sunday.
So truly, why do Catholics worship on Sunday? If you were asked by someone, could you provide a valid reason for Sunday worship?
There are four main reasons as to why the Catholic Church worships on Sunday. These are:

The first Christians continued to observe the 7th day Sabbath. They met a few times on Sunday but this was not the Sabbath.

These sabbath arguments are made here: Sabbath Zone
www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/...

and here: www.sabbathtosundaychange.com

The Sabbath is one of God's 10C laws to commemorate creation and the Creator once every week.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431725 Apr 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
Most of you 'Christians' completely ignore the writings of the Disciples of the Apostles. Makes no sense. I think you'd be horrified that they turn out to be really Catholic.
You convince yourselves that they are forged; or since it ain't in the Bible, you won't consider it..
Both scenarios require one to submit to complete ignorance. To me, that is very sad.

Any texts that contradicts the Bible is in error. Paul said there were already antichrists in his day.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431726 Apr 8, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
Punctuation was not in the original writings. So shifting a comma is hardly addin to or taking away from scripture.
If you believe scripture to be infallible, which version is it?
There are errors in many different versions.
They can hardly be all correct.
Which version is infallible?

I studied with SDA for 10 years and believed this for years. However they are most likely in error about this for the following reasons:

1. they claim the Reformers were following Rome's teaching about the immortality of the soul. Actually from the first Reformer, Luther, they rejected the doctrine, instead used soul sleep. They well understood the state of the dead.
http://biblelight.net/luther-tyndale.htm

2. some SDA use the NKJV, and use this punctuation issue as an unwarranted attack on the superior KJV.

3. even with the comma where the KJV and all other Bibles places it, it is still understood to be saying the thief is saved as of Today, not that they would be going to heaven that day.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431727 Apr 8, 2013
StarC wrote:
So what, immigrants are God's children too!! First immigrants…the Spaniards and Christopher Columbus!
Your not only a bigot you’re a racist too!

Enforcing the immigration laws are no more racist than locking your front door at night. Not in the USA, Mexico, Canada, Japan China or any other nation.

Why would you support theft and coveting of property when God clearly says not to do this. Further more it is Satan's plan to destroy you support.

The immigration will continue and there's not much anyone can do about it, but it is not a good thing. They are mostly Latins and Muslims and this will likely lead to another civil war at some point, IMO. Immigration is 100% about RELIGION not RACE. Rome has caused this.
Clay

United States

#431728 Apr 8, 2013
socci wrote:
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Any texts that contradicts the Bible is in error. Paul said there were already antichrists in his day.
You've convinced yourselves that the texts have to fit YOUR interpretations vs what was really taught by the Apostles verbally or letter- which they also already explained.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431729 Apr 8, 2013

Romanizing America through Immigration
www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/romanizingamerica...


History of Catholic Immigration in the United States

By the time of the American Revolution, 35,000 Catholics formed 1.2% of the 2.5 million white population of the thirteen seaboard colonies. The Catholic population of the United States, which had been 35,000 in 1790, increased to 195,000 in 1820 and then ballooned to about 1.6 million in 1850, by which time, Catholics had become the country’s largest religion. Between 1860 and 1890 the population of Roman Catholics in the United States tripled primarily through immigration. By the end of the century, there were 12 million Catholics in the United States.

By the beginning of the 20th century, approximately one-sixth of the population of the United States was Roman Catholic. By the end of the 20th century, Catholics constituted 24% of the population. Modern Roman Catholic immigrants come to the United States from the Philippines, Poland, and Latin America, especially from Mexico.

According to Luis Lugo, the director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, nearly a quarter of all Catholics in the United States are foreign born. He notes: "To know what the country will be like in three decades, look at the Catholic church."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman...


Immigration

John F. Kennedy initially proposed an overhaul of American immigration policy that later was to become the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, sponsored by Kennedy's brother Senator Edward Kennedy. It dramatically shifted the source of immigration from Northern and Western European countries towards immigration from Latin America and Asia and shifted the emphasis of selection of immigrants towards facilitating family reunification. Kennedy wanted to dismantle the selection of immigrants based on country of origin and saw this as an extension of his civil rights policies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jfk#Immigration


• The Real Latin Invasion
http://youtu.be/sRL3EIeJPCM
Clay

United States

#431730 Apr 8, 2013
socci wrote:
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The first Christians continued to observe the 7th day Sabbath. They met a few times on Sunday but this was not the Sabbath.
These sabbath arguments are made here: Sabbath Zone
www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/...
and here: www.sabbathtosundaychange.com
The Sabbath is one of God's 10C laws to commemorate creation and the Creator once every week.
your silly cult links mean nothing. You teach new and strange doctrines.
guest

United States

#431731 Apr 8, 2013
guest wrote:
It certainly boggles the mind to think that Catholics believe the Pope can completely ignore the word of God and do whatever he wants.
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Clay wrote:
The truth guest: The Pope does not ignore the word of God. No Pope has any authority to change what the Apostles taught. He'd be thrown out of the Papacy if He tried. This is Catholic teaching. I don't think you guys wanna believe what I just said.
Its more convenient for you to think the Pope just struts around Rome dictating whatever scriptural interpretations he sees fit and we Catholics oblige.
Now the truth guest, every single one of you teach contrary to what the Apostles taught. This is fact. You're reading sacred scriptures from the 21st century mind. Using your pre determined ideology. You wanna know what the Apostles actually taught using their letters and verbal communication? READ THE WRITINGS OF THEIR STUDENTS.
(I didn't yell btw)
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I have the Bible which was inspired by Holy Spirit - I can read the writings of the Apostles directly in order to learn what they teach and don't need to have their teachings interpreted by the Catholic church - or as YOU call them *students* of the Apostles.
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That so many protestant denominations exist, is simply a reaction to the Catholic church's strong arm and murderous Popes ordering the torture of "heretics".
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it's like witnesses to an accident - they all give a slightly different description because they were all traumatized by what they saw.
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well, the entire earth has been traumatized by the Catholic church and so what else can you expect but different interpretations?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431733 Apr 8, 2013
Vevany wrote:
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S'right Henry I did seek and did not find.
Got tired of looking for God in the TV?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431734 Apr 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
Most of you 'Christians' completely ignore the writings of the Disciples of the Apostles. Makes no sense. I think you'd be horrified that they turn out to be really Catholic.
You convince yourselves that they are forged; or since it ain't in the Bible, you won't consider it..
Both scenarios require one to submit to complete ignorance. To me, that is very sad.
Most, if not all "Christians", ignore over half of the original Apostles - seven of them.

Sounds like you are standing alongside them.

Only YOU can change that.

Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431735 Apr 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
Most of you 'Christians' completely ignore the writings of the Disciples of the Apostles. Makes no sense. I think you'd be horrified that they turn out to be really Catholic.
You convince yourselves that they are forged; or since it ain't in the Bible, you won't consider it..
Both scenarios require one to submit to complete ignorance. To me, that is very sad.
There, there......do you feel better?

No?

I didn't think so either.

*sighs*

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431736 Apr 8, 2013
socci wrote:
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Any texts that contradicts the Bible is in error. Paul said there were already antichrists in his day.
Why don't you believe Jesus or other Apostles?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431737 Apr 8, 2013
socci wrote:
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Any texts that contradicts the Bible is in error. Paul said there were already antichrists in his day.
Please show support that specifically states "God" dictating this.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431738 Apr 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
You've convinced yourselves that the texts have to fit YOUR interpretations vs what was really taught by the Apostles verbally or letter- which they also already explained.

No interpretation needed of God's 10C law. The 4th commandment is the 7th day Sabbath. God's people are to remember it to commemorate creation week.
The pope thinks to change this for his people.
socci

Mount Vernon, MO

#431739 Apr 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
your silly cult links mean nothing. You teach new and strange doctrines.

Namecalling will not change the Sabbath issue. The 'cult' is the one who rejects the Bible while claiming to be 'christian'- You.

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