Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Your "distorted, perverted and heretical" ANTI-CATHOLIC view of My personal faith in Jesus Christ,as well as EVERY CATHOLIC ON THIS FORUM, including the over 1 billion Catholic "Christians" around the world, has "no relevance" (whatsoever) to the "confused, mixed up" and judgmental editorial opinionated (fundie) life that you have chosen to live!!!
1 billion christian/pagans. why can't you realize it? the pope dresses in a pagan outfit, your pagan/christian church use all pagan dates for church holidays,how much more proof do you need?
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Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Amazing.
What is pagan science?
Where can we find where pagan science claims 'no Creator?'
Delusions require no proof. Evidence can be manufactured, often by our own minds.
The Internet and everything in the real world that we use to make our lives better -- come not from pagan science, but are magical gifts from god. Until it breaks.... or until we get really sick.
Forget that religious garbage!

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That does change one iota of the info in the following...from Scripture..
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The Bible does not teach the earth to be 6000 years old....
Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
When (what date) was the beginning??
beginning: re'shiyth, ray-sheeth' the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit):--beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
BTW...the 6000 years start with the Creation of Adam....that is not "the beginning"....when God Created the heaven and earth.....
And....there is no way of knowing how many billions of years this was: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. "
some day they maybe able to figure it out,to bad it won't be in our life time.
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One of my problems with the Roman Catholic Church is...
we that they call protestants ....are considered as spiritual bastards,
(bastard defined in Greek
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Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son:- bastard.)
and we
are treated by most of them as if we are.illegitimate son
They act as if we owe them our allegiance...
treat us as if we are second class citizens of Heaven
FACT IS
The banner of this forum makes their stance/position toward us very clear ...It says it all...that if we evangelicals are not Roman Catholics we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
THEY THINK...THEY HOLD A MONOPOLY AND THE FRANCHISE ON GOD'S GRACE AND LOVE
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
Forget all that religious garbage! Science is real!

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Your "distorted, perverted and heretical" ANTI-CATHOLIC view of My personal faith in Jesus Christ,as well as EVERY CATHOLIC ON THIS FORUM, including the over 1 billion Catholic "Christians" around the world, has "no relevance" (whatsoever) to the "confused, mixed up" and judgmental editorial opinionated (fundie) life that you have chosen to live!!!
if you were so sure of yourself,you'd answer my questions i keep asking,yet you do everything to duck,dodge and hide from them. give it a try instead of hiding from the truth.
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Romans 10:17
(DRB) Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ.
(Geneva) Then faith is by hearing, and hearing by the worde of God.
(KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Geneva Commentary dated 1599
It is not the same to believe in a thing, and to believe about a thing,
for we may not believe in anything except in God alone, but we may believe about anything whatever, says Nazianzene in his Oration of the Spirit.
Nothing else but the free love of the Father is the beginning of our salvation, and Christ is he in whom our righteousness and salvation dwells: and faith is the instrument or means by which we apprehend it, and everlasting life is that which is set before us to apprehend.
1 John 1:5
(DRB) And this is the declaration which we have heard from him and declare unto you: That God is light and in him there is no darkness.
(Geneva) This then is the message which wee haue heard of him, and declare vnto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkenes.
(KJV) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
God is just a myth, but no reality!

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Happy Sabbath !!!
You too, 7th!!:)
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<quoted text>--- Oxbow, I am happy for you because we know that GOD THE TRINITY AND GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS WITH JESUS CHRIST is our ticket...Thankyou, and meet you in Heaven...
Sorry, no heaven at all!
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Romans 2

King James Version (KJV)


2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that

judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself;

for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth

against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such

things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of

God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and

longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to

repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto

thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous

judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and

honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but

obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of

the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to

the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without

law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers

of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the

things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto

themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their

conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while

accusing or else excusing one another;)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ

according to my gospel.

17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest

thy boast of God,

18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more

excellent, being instructed out of the law;

19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a

light of them which are in darkness,

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the

form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?

thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit

adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law

dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you,

as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if

thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law,

shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the

law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress

the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that

circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of

the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not

of men, but of God.

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continued

Romans 11:11-24

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11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid:

but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for

to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the

diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their

fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the

Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh,

and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world,

what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the

root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild

olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the

root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not

the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be

grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest

by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also

spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which

fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his

goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be

grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature,

and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much

more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their

own olive tree?
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Matthew 12:8

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:27-28

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27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man

for the sabbath:

28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

[Nowhere does it say it was made a Jewish Sabbath but it does say it

was made for MAN]

Hebrews 4:9

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9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Hebrews 4:9

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9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Revelation 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this:

Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," says the

Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow

them."

WHen will they rest and there deeds follow them that will be at the

resurrection intothe 7 year millenium

Hebrews 4:

There Is a Rest for the People of God

1Let us therefore fear, lest, although a promise being left us of

entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the

word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them

that heard it.

3For we who have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have

sworn in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest: although the

works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day in this way, And

God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5And in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.

6Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter into it, and they to

whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long

a time; as it is said, Today if you will hear his voice, harden not

your hearts.

8For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have

spoken of another day.

9There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.

10For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his

own works, as God did from his.

11Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall

after the same example of unbelief.

Matthew 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women

and nursing mothers!

Matthew 24:20.

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the

sabbath day:

Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from

the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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One of my problems with the Roman Catholic Church is...
we that they call protestants ....are considered as spiritual bastards,
(bastard defined in Greek
G3541
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nothos
noth'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son:- bastard.)
and we
are treated by most of them as if we are.illegitimate son
They act as if we owe them our allegiance...
treat us as if we are second class citizens of Heaven
FACT IS
The banner of this forum makes their stance/position toward us very clear ...It says it all...that if we evangelicals are not Roman Catholics we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
THEY THINK...THEY HOLD A MONOPOLY AND THE FRANCHISE ON GOD'S GRACE AND LOVE
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
The vatican is one of the biggest capitalist. In the nuclear age capitalism is the biggest thread to mankind. The survival is almost zero!
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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The universe is NOT GOD IT DID NOT CREATE GOD..
CONTRARY WISE.GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE
Catholic ....DEFINED BY WEBSTER
CATHOLIC, a.
1. Universal or general;
as the Catholic church. Originally this epithet was given to the Christian church in general, but is now appropriated to the Romish church, and in strictness there is no Catholic church, or universal Christian communion. The epithet is sometimes set in opposition to heretic, sectary or schismatic.
THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT CONTROL GOD...GOD CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE
THE UNIVERSAL/CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT CONTROL GOD'S GRACE AND LOVE..
ONLY GOD DOES...and God is Love
(DRB) Because the husband is the head of the wife, as ===>Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
(Geneva) For the husband is the wiues head, euen as ===>Christ is the head of the Church, and the same is the sauiour of his body.
(KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as ===>Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
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CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH.. NO CORRUPTIBLE MAN QUALIFIES...
Colossians 1:18
(DRB) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy:
(Geneva) And hee is the head of the body of the Church: he is the beginning, and the first begotten of the dead, that in all thinges hee might haue the preeminence.
(KJV) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
The univers has nothing about them. A god never existed !
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"Roman Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican"
Nope, the Vatican never said that. How fitting you'd continue a lie..
The Catholic Church is the only one started by Jesus Christ. Its the only true one.
'Roman' is a title given to them by outside people. The Catholic Churches number over 20. They are in communion with the Bishop of Rome just like 2,000 yrs ago.
The catholic church is a criminal organisation since approximately 1500 years or so.
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Kay, I'm not going keep repeating that we don't worship idols. You need to believe that we do. I understand that.
If you seriously believe in your heart that I, Clay, construct a statue to worship as some sort of diety or any kind of idol then so be it.
But if you're purposely misreading the ten commandments to falsely accuse me of something I do not do, then God have mercy on your soul.
NOT claiming that I totally agree with Gif here as he or Kay Marie call the statues Catholics have in their homes,institutions and churches,IDOLS, but on the other hand Catholics really somehow do not understand the FIRST Commandment.Or else they would not have statues at all in their buildings and homes.

The people who insist on the fact that you worship idols, YES, are stubbornly standing on a premise that has long been clarified. Protestants and fundamentalists who claim such against RCs and Orthodox need to spend some time reading what an I D O L is to begin with.

An idol which is made into an image in order to be used for worship is perceived by the users to either represent a false deity,or to be that deity.

It is obvious that the Almighty abhorred those idols because they were mindless,deaf,blind hollow nothings that were being called upon to do what only the Almighty could or would not do.Human beings who worship idols reject any type of real relationship with the God of the Universe,and basically want to control the idol they worship.

We are called as believers CLAY, to worship God in Spirit and in truth.The use of statues to represent Jesus,Mary and the saints would seem innocent on the surface,because we know that Catholics do not literally worship those statues. But kneeling in front of them,praying,lighting candles,and so on in front of those statues is not what God had in mind when Jesus implored believers to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

The FIRST Commandment strictly forbids the making of an image to USE in the worship of the true and living God.Those statues of JESUS especially literally break the first commandment in that they are suppose to represent GOD,because Jesus is G o d.Those are false images,why? No one knows what Jesus really looked like. I am not saying that the many statues of Jesus are not sometimes inspiring to look at,we humans are enthralled by imaging.When one visits Rome or a great city in Italy,they are moved by the fantastic statues of well known human beings of the past,even here in this country at our Capital.

We believers are to be aware of the fact also that statues built or sculpted to be displayed in public forums,are never used for wroship,N O O N E kneels before them,and makes petitions to God before those many public statues of former leaders,and so on.

So if the people of the world do not even make petition before such physical images,WE, Believers should never kneel before a statue to make petition before a Holy God,who in His first commandment forbade us to do such to begin with.
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MICHAEL wrote:
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I knew you would be back!! I KNEW IT!!
....... Too boring over on the CATHOLIC ANSWERS forum where everyone sits around hold hands with each other singing KOOMM-BY-AH!
Pied Piper Father Dye said he was leaving this forum a few months ago, so you and ReginaM. got on board and thought you would follow along. The only problem was Father Dye never left this forum.(lol)
I know you have been lurking ever since you left.....
"You don't know what you have, till its gone"
Thanks for the good laugh Michael,we all need it every so often.
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<quoted text>NOT claiming that I totally agree with Gif here as he or Kay Marie call the statues Catholics have in their homes,institutions and churches,IDOLS, but on the other hand Catholics really somehow do not understand the FIRST Commandment.Or else they would not have statues at all in their buildings and homes.
The people who insist on the fact that you worship idols, YES, are stubbornly standing on a premise that has long been clarified. Protestants and fundamentalists who claim such against RCs and Orthodox need to spend some time reading what an I D O L is to begin with.
An idol which is made into an image in order to be used for worship is perceived by the users to either represent a false deity,or to be that deity.
It is obvious that the Almighty abhorred those idols because they were mindless,deaf,blind hollow nothings that were being called upon to do what only the Almighty could or would not do.Human beings who worship idols reject any type of real relationship with the God of the Universe,and basically want to control the idol they worship.
We are called as believers CLAY, to worship God in Spirit and in truth.The use of statues to represent Jesus,Mary and the saints would seem innocent on the surface,because we know that Catholics do not literally worship those statues. But kneeling in front of them,praying,lighting candles,and so on in front of those statues is not what God had in mind when Jesus implored believers to worship God in Spirit and in truth.
The FIRST Commandment strictly forbids the making of an image to USE in the worship of the true and living God.Those statues of JESUS especially literally break the first commandment in that they are suppose to represent GOD,because Jesus is G o d.Those are false images,why? No one knows what Jesus really looked like. I am not saying that the many statues of Jesus are not sometimes inspiring to look at,we humans are enthralled by imaging.When one visits Rome or a great city in Italy,they are moved by the fantastic statues of well known human beings of the past,even here in this country at our Capital.
We believers are to be aware of the fact also that statues built or sculpted to be displayed in public forums,are never used for wroship,N O O N E kneels before them,and makes petitions to God before those many public statues of former leaders,and so on.
So if the people of the world do not even make petition before such physical images,WE, Believers should never kneel before a statue to make petition before a Holy God,who in His first commandment forbade us to do such to begin with.
Pad, I agree great post..
kneeling in front of statues, that are suppose to represent Jesus, Mary, and other saints; praying, lighting candles,
Also giving credit to saint and Mary for answered prayers.
Where does God fit into their list?? its not first that's for sure.
Even the rosary is to Mary, its all about Mary, when it should be all about Jesus. Which is putting another before God.
I agree they do break the first commandment, in the fact they have made Mary a goddess in their eyes. Crowning her Queen of Heaven
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Henry wrote:
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Of course, there was never a god at all!
Delusion -- "An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality."

The ubber religious believe they hold the keys to everlasting life, while 95% to 99.99% of others are clueless.

Thus we all agree that 95% to 99.99% of religious beliefs are hokey.

We only disagree on a small percentage of religious beliefs - yours.

Agreement is impossible, because it's all self-delusion delusion.
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Amazing.
What is pagan science?
Where can we find where pagan science claims 'no Creator?'
Delusions require no proof. Evidence can be manufactured, often by our own minds.
The Internet and everything in the real world that we use to make our lives better -- come not from pagan science, but are magical gifts from god. Until it breaks.... or until we get really sick.
I can't see you or feel you so I guess you are a delusion and you didn't really post all the negative post on here.
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LTM wrote:
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Pad, I agree great post..
kneeling in front of statues, that are suppose to represent Jesus, Mary, and other saints; praying, lighting candles,
Also giving credit to saint and Mary for answered prayers.
Where does God fit into their list?? its not first that's for sure.
Even the rosary is to Mary, its all about Mary, when it should be all about Jesus. Which is putting another before God.
I agree they do break the first commandment, in the fact they have made Mary a goddess in their eyes. Crowning her Queen of Heaven
This is ironic because just like the early Christians took the Jew's book and perverted it to create their own religion, so now the new Christians are telling the old Christians how their Bible should read.

New religious delusions are often founded on old religious delusions - all claiming to be unique.

And no one can argue otherwise, because these are evolving delusions - where real world evidence and facts mean nothing.

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