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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Rockford, IL

#431504 Apr 6, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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I knew you would be back!! I KNEW IT!!
....... Too boring over on the CATHOLIC ANSWERS forum where everyone sits around hold hands with each other singing KOOMM-BY-AH!
Pied Piper Father Dye said he was leaving this forum a few months ago, so you and ReginaM. got on board and thought you would follow along. The only problem was Father Dye never left this forum.(lol)
I know you have been lurking ever since you left.....
"You don't know what you have, till its gone"
Thanks for the good laugh Michael,we all need it every so often.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#431505 Apr 6, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>NOT claiming that I totally agree with Gif here as he or Kay Marie call the statues Catholics have in their homes,institutions and churches,IDOLS, but on the other hand Catholics really somehow do not understand the FIRST Commandment.Or else they would not have statues at all in their buildings and homes.
The people who insist on the fact that you worship idols, YES, are stubbornly standing on a premise that has long been clarified. Protestants and fundamentalists who claim such against RCs and Orthodox need to spend some time reading what an I D O L is to begin with.
An idol which is made into an image in order to be used for worship is perceived by the users to either represent a false deity,or to be that deity.
It is obvious that the Almighty abhorred those idols because they were mindless,deaf,blind hollow nothings that were being called upon to do what only the Almighty could or would not do.Human beings who worship idols reject any type of real relationship with the God of the Universe,and basically want to control the idol they worship.
We are called as believers CLAY, to worship God in Spirit and in truth.The use of statues to represent Jesus,Mary and the saints would seem innocent on the surface,because we know that Catholics do not literally worship those statues. But kneeling in front of them,praying,lighting candles,and so on in front of those statues is not what God had in mind when Jesus implored believers to worship God in Spirit and in truth.
The FIRST Commandment strictly forbids the making of an image to USE in the worship of the true and living God.Those statues of JESUS especially literally break the first commandment in that they are suppose to represent GOD,because Jesus is G o d.Those are false images,why? No one knows what Jesus really looked like. I am not saying that the many statues of Jesus are not sometimes inspiring to look at,we humans are enthralled by imaging.When one visits Rome or a great city in Italy,they are moved by the fantastic statues of well known human beings of the past,even here in this country at our Capital.
We believers are to be aware of the fact also that statues built or sculpted to be displayed in public forums,are never used for wroship,N O O N E kneels before them,and makes petitions to God before those many public statues of former leaders,and so on.
So if the people of the world do not even make petition before such physical images,WE, Believers should never kneel before a statue to make petition before a Holy God,who in His first commandment forbade us to do such to begin with.
Pad, I agree great post..
kneeling in front of statues, that are suppose to represent Jesus, Mary, and other saints; praying, lighting candles,
Also giving credit to saint and Mary for answered prayers.
Where does God fit into their list?? its not first that's for sure.
Even the rosary is to Mary, its all about Mary, when it should be all about Jesus. Which is putting another before God.
I agree they do break the first commandment, in the fact they have made Mary a goddess in their eyes. Crowning her Queen of Heaven
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431506 Apr 6, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Of course, there was never a god at all!
Delusion -- "An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality."

The ubber religious believe they hold the keys to everlasting life, while 95% to 99.99% of others are clueless.

Thus we all agree that 95% to 99.99% of religious beliefs are hokey.

We only disagree on a small percentage of religious beliefs - yours.

Agreement is impossible, because it's all self-delusion delusion.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#431507 Apr 6, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Amazing.
What is pagan science?
Where can we find where pagan science claims 'no Creator?'
Delusions require no proof. Evidence can be manufactured, often by our own minds.
The Internet and everything in the real world that we use to make our lives better -- come not from pagan science, but are magical gifts from god. Until it breaks.... or until we get really sick.
I can't see you or feel you so I guess you are a delusion and you didn't really post all the negative post on here.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431508 Apr 6, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Pad, I agree great post..
kneeling in front of statues, that are suppose to represent Jesus, Mary, and other saints; praying, lighting candles,
Also giving credit to saint and Mary for answered prayers.
Where does God fit into their list?? its not first that's for sure.
Even the rosary is to Mary, its all about Mary, when it should be all about Jesus. Which is putting another before God.
I agree they do break the first commandment, in the fact they have made Mary a goddess in their eyes. Crowning her Queen of Heaven
This is ironic because just like the early Christians took the Jew's book and perverted it to create their own religion, so now the new Christians are telling the old Christians how their Bible should read.

New religious delusions are often founded on old religious delusions - all claiming to be unique.

And no one can argue otherwise, because these are evolving delusions - where real world evidence and facts mean nothing.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431509 Apr 6, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Just took the Jew right of Jesus didn't YOU ?
The Jewish laws are not to be followed by gentile believers in Christ.Not that there are many laws and traditions that would not be favorable,but that we are not required to observe the Hebrew Sabbath.It seems that many Evangelicals follow what laws they want to follow,that suit them.SUCH as tithing.

But we are bound to nothing,yet totally bound to Christ,to the death if that is required.If gentile believers want to observe the Sabbath they are more than welcome to do so. But there is no law that requires us to do so in Christ.EVEN the Apostles never imposed the observance of the Jewish Sabbath on the new gentile believers.

If you want to go to a church that strongly observes Sabbath,by all means love it,enjoy it,and may the LORD richly bless you.But to claim that it is a legal command to all gentile believers,and that the going to a service or a mass on Sunday is evil or wrong,places you as a judge in matters that were long ago settled.The Apostle Paul rebuked those who held to a particular day of worship,in that they judged others who doid not do the same but sought to glorify God.All traditions of men and women take a back seat to God's perfect relationship for us all.I do not condemn your wanting to observe the Jewish Sabbath,and the Bible does not condemn my going to a church on Sunday to worship God in Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit,in Spirit and in truth.

There is nothing in Scripture that tells us by the way to Judaize JESUS either.He is God,and for all Nations to become His Disciples.The Jews did well to take the Jew out of Jesus,I do not have to even try on my own to do so.Someday I will share other things with you concerning Jewishness,not now.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431510 Apr 6, 2013
King Solomon Falasha Jew wrote:
The Jews of the Bible were Ethiopian Falasha Jews' not the violent, killer European looking Jews of today.
There was no such place as the Middle East 2,000 years ago. That area was all a part of Northeast Africa.
Try and find the words Middle East in a very old Catholic bible.
The Jews of the bible. The Falashas
bit.ly/12bepNF
I hope you are helping the thousands of Falashan Jews in Ethiopia that need medical care,and proper living conditions. The so-called evil white Jews are helping them,sending Doctors and Nurses to deal with the many physical challenges of the Jews in Ethiopis.Messianic Jews also have been visiting daily to Falashan villages to distribute long needed medical remedies for the various things that plague those precious people.

Skin collor has little to do with bringing hope,love and faith to the human soul.I am all for your wanting to fulfill your Jewishness as a black person,but vilifying the Jews who are white only shows a prejudice on your part,whcih is a seed of a very bad life for you if you remain so.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#431511 Apr 6, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The Jewish laws are not to be followed by gentile believers in Christ.Not that there are many laws and traditions that would not be favorable,but that we are not required to observe the Hebrew Sabbath.It seems that many Evangelicals follow what laws they want to follow,that suit them.SUCH as tithing.
But we are bound to nothing,yet totally bound to Christ,to the death if that is required.If gentile believers want to observe the Sabbath they are more than welcome to do so. But there is no law that requires us to do so in Christ.EVEN the Apostles never imposed the observance of the Jewish Sabbath on the new gentile believers.
If you want to go to a church that strongly observes Sabbath,by all means love it,enjoy it,and may the LORD richly bless you.But to claim that it is a legal command to all gentile believers,and that the going to a service or a mass on Sunday is evil or wrong,places you as a judge in matters that were long ago settled.The Apostle Paul rebuked those who held to a particular day of worship,in that they judged others who doid not do the same but sought to glorify God.All traditions of men and women take a back seat to God's perfect relationship for us all.I do not condemn your wanting to observe the Jewish Sabbath,and the Bible does not condemn my going to a church on Sunday to worship God in Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit,in Spirit and in truth.
There is nothing in Scripture that tells us by the way to Judaize JESUS either.He is God,and for all Nations to become His Disciples.The Jews did well to take the Jew out of Jesus,I do not have to even try on my own to do so.Someday I will share other things with you concerning Jewishness,not now.
Glad you acknowledged the Hebrews also observed the Sabbath and not just Jews. You know at one time all of Israel observed the 7th Day Sabbath.
I judge no one that wants to go to Church any of the seven days of the week. Going to church AND OBSERVING THE Sabbath are two diffrent things.
However we do find Jews overving the Sabbath and the following week the Gentiles and Jew both observing the Sabbath.

There are other days we find the apostles meeting during the week not just the first day.

Gods Ten Commandment Law is for all however the Mosanic Law along with the traditions of man was nailed to the cross.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#431512 Apr 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Talking to the dead is called a seance... it is spiritualism...
A necromancer was put to death (under the law_ in the Old Testament...
It reads
Lev_20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
God said to the Israelites
Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
The Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant.

They are not dead.

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431513 Apr 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I totally understand your frustration. Its gotta be a horror for people in your situation to realize what the Catholic Church actually is....instead of what you were raised to believe it was!
Now you been presented with the truth, and you conveniently need to ignore it. Otherwise you'll lose your career. Many many Pentecostal Ministers have converted. In fact, there has been a wave of notable Protestant Ministers who've converted to the Catholic faith.
You see, Jesus+Papacy+Rome=continuity. Our Lord needed continuity to ensure His Ministry would stand the test of time and tyrants. The data is in Confrint. It has!! For 2,000 yrs His Church - the pillar and bulwark of faith - is still proclaiming the Gospel.
Your Pentecostal group will change with your grandchildren. There is no continuity as long as they think they can interpret Our lords will based on what they see in scripture.
I have been for the last 2 years EWTN's Journey Home.It is all the same Clay. Evangelicals who find JESUS in their particular persuasion,than they are discontent with the idea that Authority should remain illusive,and there must be one church that has that Authority.

Some evangelicals or Anglicans find the worship wanting in their former persuasions,and want a Liturgy.The Anglicans are rightfully concerned about the Episcopal apostasy which is happening daily.Moral decline can be found throughout the Christian world.But really Clay just because the RCC stands against immorality,and most Christians do,should we all leave our churches to join with a church that has emerging Liberal theology,and is facing immoral scandals with the most precious of their offspring?

I marvel at how all of those converts have to go through the conflict of the use of statues,praying to saints,and the ultraveneration of Mary. ALSO the converts fail to elaborate on the most greatest hurdle ((Infant baptism)).

The Word is more than clear concerning conversion,baptism and regeneration,RC Baptism of infants and the theology or dogma that is attached to it is non-Biblical.The Believer's Baptism is not only Biblical,it was practiced in the first century AD,infant baptism was not even mentioned till the 2nd century. If baptism of a believer was both biblical and practiced even to the death in the first century,than it should be the NORM for all of Christianity.

Of course you are more than welcome to believe what you want,but,to expect that we should forsake our basic Christian living anpractices for a church that is in moral upheaval is questionalbe.Not only that all of those converts to your Church to me Clay are no testimony to the greatness of your church in contrast to what the rest of Christianity is before GOD.
Preston

Waverly, OH

#431514 Apr 6, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you acknowledged the Hebrews also observed the Sabbath and not just Jews. You know at one time all of Israel observed the 7th Day Sabbath.
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LOL. the Hebrews are Jews, DOOFUS!!!!
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#431515 Apr 6, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Catholics have engrained in their mind an "image" that the church has created of how they want Jesus to actually appear.
If I showed a picture of a short balding man with a huge nose and dark short hair and said this was a picture of Jesus (like most jews of the middle east) catholics would be outraged. They have a certain image indoctrinated into their minds of how Jesus really looks even though there is no record of what he looked like, if he did exist.
Its a game they play in their minds.....Its an image instilled from childhood. Nothing else is acceptable. Kind of sad.
I don't know any Catholic who would care what Jesus looked like. Considering the fact that a vast number of Catholics in the Universal Church are non-whites and most of the fundamentalists here are white, you're probably confusing us with them.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431516 Apr 6, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you acknowledged the Hebrews also observed the Sabbath and not just Jews. You know at one time all of Israel observed the 7th Day Sabbath.
I judge no one that wants to go to Church any of the seven days of the week. Going to church AND OBSERVING THE Sabbath are two diffrent things.
However we do find Jews overving the Sabbath and the following week the Gentiles and Jew both observing the Sabbath.
There are other days we find the apostles meeting during the week not just the first day.
Gods Ten Commandment Law is for all however the Mosanic Law along with the traditions of man was nailed to the cross.
Through Christ we are following the Law of Moses,we are free in Him to even go deeper into those laws and observe them if it is even remotely possible.

The REST of the Sabbath is sacred and beautiful,and a believer can get a hold of a Seter,translated into English,or bi-lingual.The Believer has the right in Christ to meditate and to weekly go through the prayers,and rituals connected with the observance of the Sabbath.

We cannot attend a Synagogue without some contention spiritually,and there are not Messianic Synagogues in every town and city in this country.If one feels that the Sabbath should be observed without reservation,there are 7th Day Adventists and 7th Day Baptists.

We have that choice to do whatever.But not being bound,we also have that opportunity to worship freely in the church where one finds not only fellowship,but a compatibility to all aspects of that environment,which includes openness to the Holy Spirit.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#431517 Apr 6, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I have been for the last 2 years EWTN's Journey Home.It is all the same Clay. Evangelicals who find JESUS in their particular persuasion,than they are discontent with the idea that Authority should remain illusive,and there must be one church that has that Authority.
Some evangelicals or Anglicans find the worship wanting in their former persuasions,and want a Liturgy.The Anglicans are rightfully concerned about the Episcopal apostasy which is happening daily.Moral decline can be found throughout the Christian world.But really Clay just because the RCC stands against immorality,and most Christians do,should we all leave our churches to join with a church that has emerging Liberal theology,and is facing immoral scandals with the most precious of their offspring?
I marvel at how all of those converts have to go through the conflict of the use of statues,praying to saints,and the ultraveneration of Mary. ALSO the converts fail to elaborate on the most greatest hurdle ((Infant baptism)).
The Word is more than clear concerning conversion,baptism and regeneration,RC Baptism of infants and the theology or dogma that is attached to it is non-Biblical.The Believer's Baptism is not only Biblical,it was practiced in the first century AD,infant baptism was not even mentioned till the 2nd century. If baptism of a believer was both biblical and practiced even to the death in the first century,than it should be the NORM for all of Christianity.
Of course you are more than welcome to believe what you want,but,to expect that we should forsake our basic Christian living anpractices for a church that is in moral upheaval is questionalbe.Not only that all of those converts to your Church to me Clay are no testimony to the greatness of your church in contrast to what the rest of Christianity is before GOD.
I watch it regularly too. Almost all of the converts say studying the early Church fathers and discovering the early Church was Catholic is a major factor.
POPE

United States

#431518 Apr 6, 2013
POPE is an acronym for: Protector Of Pedophiles Earthwide.
marge

Ames, IA

#431519 Apr 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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The Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant.
They are not dead.
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
They are asleep in Jesus resting in peace.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431520 Apr 6, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I can't see you or feel you so I guess you are a delusion and you didn't really post all the negative post on here.
That's just plain silly. Yes you can, if it were that important.

There is ten thousand times more verifiable information about me than there is about any god.

In fact, I can answer you here and there are witnesses to this fact.

How is posting about verifiable reality and truth somehow negative?

There have been many gods throughout history, and zero proof of any. It's a delusion.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431521 Apr 6, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I have been for the last 2 years EWTN's Journey Home.It is all the same Clay. Evangelicals who find JESUS in their particular persuasion,than they are discontent with the idea that Authority should remain illusive,and there must be one church that has that Authority.
Some evangelicals or Anglicans find the worship wanting in their former persuasions,and want a Liturgy.The Anglicans are rightfully concerned about the Episcopal apostasy which is happening daily.Moral decline can be found throughout the Christian world.But really Clay just because the RCC stands against immorality,and most Christians do,should we all leave our churches to join with a church that has emerging Liberal theology,and is facing immoral scandals with the most precious of their offspring?
I marvel at how all of those converts have to go through the conflict of the use of statues,praying to saints,and the ultraveneration of Mary. ALSO the converts fail to elaborate on the most greatest hurdle ((Infant baptism)).
The Word is more than clear concerning conversion,baptism and regeneration,RC Baptism of infants and the theology or dogma that is attached to it is non-Biblical.The Believer's Baptism is not only Biblical,it was practiced in the first century AD,infant baptism was not even mentioned till the 2nd century. If baptism of a believer was both biblical and practiced even to the death in the first century,than it should be the NORM for all of Christianity.
Of course you are more than welcome to believe what you want,but,to expect that we should forsake our basic Christian living anpractices for a church that is in moral upheaval is questionalbe.Not only that all of those converts to your Church to me Clay are no testimony to the greatness of your church in contrast to what the rest of Christianity is before GOD.
You don't agree with his delusion. He doesn't agree with yours.

Because there is no verifiable evidence or proof either way, this debate can never be settled.

At least that's the reality for the past 400 to 500 years.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#431522 Apr 6, 2013
marge wrote:
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They are asleep in Jesus resting in peace.
Per Jesus, they are not dead, so the charge of necromancy is fallacious.

Also, per Heb. 12:1. we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#431523 Apr 6, 2013
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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If you are a born again Spiritually you are my Spiritual Brother and YES WE ALL HAVE THE SAME HEAVENLY FATHER..
IF YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN... THEN WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS TRUE
BUT WE ARE ALL PHYSICALLY DESCENDENTS OF ADAM.
___
THE WORD SAYS
John 1:12
(DRB) But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.
(Geneva) But as many as receiued him, to them he gaue prerogatiue to be the sonnes of God, euen to them that beleeue in his Name.
(KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
IF WE ARE SONS OF THE SAME SPIRITUAL FATHER WE ARE SPIRITUAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST JESUS..
NO MATTER OUR PEDEGREE, NATIONALITY.
1 John 3:2
(DRB) Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God: and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know that when he shall appear we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.
(Geneva) Dearely beloued, nowe are we the sonnes of God, but yet it is not made manifest what we shall be: and we know that when he shalbe made manifest, we shalbe like him: for we shall see him as he is.
(KJV) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
The following was not speaking of you and I.

Hi Barge!!!!
On this...the Catholics got it right: Christ, Jesus - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....
I would prefer you do not refer to me as bro....we don't have he same Father...

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