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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431157 Apr 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Religion - A Delusion" Look at historical gods--
The belief in "god" seems to be ubiquitous through the ages.
We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid -- still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. There is no evidence of their existence. Thus we do not build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.
More recently we know that tens of millions of Romans worshiped Jupiter and his friends, and to them they built magnificent temples. The ruins of these temples are popular tourist attractions even today. Yet we know with complete certainty that these gods were imaginary. There is no evidence for their existence and thus no one worships Zeus any more.
Much more recently, we know that the Aztec civilization believed in their gods so intensely that they constructed huge temples and pyramids. In addition, Aztecs were so zealous that they were sacrificing hundreds of human beings to their gods as recently as the 16th century. Despite the intensity, however, we know today that these gods were completely imaginary. The Aztecs were insane to be murdering people for their gods. Killing a person has no effect on rainfall or anything else. We all know that. And there is no evidence whatsoever demonstrating that the Aztec gods exist. If the Aztec gods were real, we would still be offering sacrifices to them and these sacrifices would be effective.
Today's "God" is just as imaginary as were these historical gods. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.
It's a delusion.
**********
Florida...just because something is counterfeit, the REAL is no less REAL. In fact, were there no 'real' item (money, etc.) there would be nothing to counterfeit.
Image: Counterfeit copy of something real.
-ination: Action of a mental IMAGE. Imagination. Delusion.
Your imagination is pretty active...but it is a counterfeit.
Jesus is real, and He is alive.
KM
Self.

Promoted daily by so-called "Christians" out of one side of thier mouth, yet rebuke and refute it out of the other side.

Christianity causes confuses to its follower.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431158 Apr 4, 2013
who="Clay"
I mean that Jesus Christ never told anyone to put together a NT. He never said He wanted Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to pen memoirs about His Ministry and include them with 23 other Books to become the foundation of His Ministry.
Although it is true that the Holy Spirit guided the Church on the compilation of the Bible. It is also true that the Holy Spirit guides the Church. Period.

**********

Why do you suppose Jesus spent three years teaching disciples (students)? And why do you suppose that He 'opened their understanding' to the scriptures that prophesied of Him...as well as others?

John said that if all Jesus said and did WERE WRITTEN DOWN, the world could not hold the books. So the idea was there...and you can't prove that Jesus DID NOT give them such instruction.

We know for sure that all of the talents of men were given by God...writing included.(Ex.35)

KM

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431159 Apr 4, 2013
confuses = s/b "confusion"
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#431160 Apr 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You are not being truthful
....I know you cant it is impossible....
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T VERIFIED WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS TEACH FROM THE BIBLE
BECAUSE
WHAT YOU TEACH
AINT IN THERE.
SO YOU COULD NOT HAVE GIVEN ANY REFERENCES...FROM THE BIBLE
QUESTION..
WHY DO YOU LIE ON GOD?
All liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
BEST WAKE UP......AND ABIDE BY GOD'S WORD...BEFORE IT IS TO LATE..
I "woke up" after 35 years of listening to "heretical bible only preachers like you" who distort, manipulate and editorialize the TRUE interpretation of the bible, with anti-catholic hate, hostility and vengeance against JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF and His biblically and historically "proven" One True Catholic Church. The TRUE Gospel, teachings, doctrine and precepts of Jesus Christ are "clearly taught and expressed" by JESUS HIMSELF regarding His One True Catholic Church, the authority passed on to His Apostles, Salvation and the baptism of repentance, being born again (Nicodemus), and the Eucharist (Jesus TRUE BODY AND TRUE BLOOD)
As usual Confrinting, you just "list a (hodge-podged) bunch of bible verses" cherry picked with "editiorialized" bogus interpretations, and then apply them to "your own (vindictive) anti-catholic attitude, DENYING and REJECTING the "TRUE spoken words of Jesus Christ". As I have told you before Confrinting--you are just like Peter, before his TRUE CONVERSION to Jesus Christ!
YOU FISH AND CATCH "NOTHING"!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431161 Apr 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church (Jesus Christs One True Church) was established initiated and founded by Jesus HIMSELF, with HIS DIVINE AUTHORITY, it was given to His Apostles who were Bishops, priests and deacons (Acts 2) and their AUTHORITY delegated and handed down to those Bishops, priests and deacons that followed Jesus' Apostles....... The DIVINE AUTHORITY of Jesus has been handed down, through the succession of the Apostles for over 2000 years.through Jesus Christ One True Catholic Church!.....FURTHERMORE Jesus said "all AUTHORITY has been given unto me in both heaven and earth."---and I give IT to whoever I chose--and (as he told His Apostles) I give that AUTHORITY to you to go and make disciples of all nations ---baptising them in the name.of the father.......... teaching to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you! Jesus NEVER said that the authority is in the "bible alone"! Jesus NEVER wrote anything down! HE NEVER passed out bibles to anyone..... The oral (unwritten) teachings of Jesus were the "only source of TRUTH" at that time, that were passed on to the Apostles....Paul "CONFIRMS" this in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls "THE CHURCH (not the bible alone) is the pillare, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. The AUTHORITY of TRUTH is in Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. The Catholic Catechism and the Encyclicals represent the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, the TRUE DOCUMENTED Church Historical authenticated records and the TRUTH of Jesus teachings as recorded in the Gospels. The bible "compliments and parallels the writings and TRUE interpretive "translations" in the ENCYCLICALS and in the Catholic Catechism. Jesus Christs One True (Universal-Catholic Church) is the "final AUTHORITY"--not the bible alone!! Paul says it, confirms it, validates it, and clearly sanctions it, in the bible (! Timothy 3:15). Just like always, jethro8! You "continue" to have "no idea" as to what you are talking about, which is NO SURPRISE to ANY of us Catholics who KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
Provide a single example of a doctrine that originates from an oral Apostolic Tradition that the Bible is silent about? Provide proof that this doctrinal tradition is apostolic in origin. and show oral proof the catholic church is the alleged true church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431162 Apr 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You, jethro8, can continue to rely upon your anti-catholic (relative truth) sources of heresy, hypocricy and distortion of the TRUTH of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY....... I/we as Catholics will continue to follow, adhere to and remain with the Historical and biblical TRUTH of over 2000 years of "existing" (indisputable and fundamental TRUTH)of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church which is an original, actual and obvious reality of FACT!!
my sources lately have been passages from the bible that clearly show the catholic church is not the true church,so i guess you can say i'm using an anti-catholic book,

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431163 Apr 4, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>IT IS WRITTEN: paraphrasing
The Prophets of Old and the Appostles were Inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Now can you show me were it states those men who translated the scripture to other languages did not err ?
~~~

PLEASE TELL ME WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT DIED...AND THAT HE IS NOT ALIVE AND WELL..

OR

at least attempt to convenes us that THE HOLY GHOLT CANNOT GUIDE TRANSLATORS TODAY AS WELL AS IN THE PAST.

WHEN DID THE WORD OF JESUS COME TO AN END---

JESUS SAID...(GENEVA BIBLE 1599)

Joh 16:13 Howbeit, when he is come which is the Spirit of trueth, he will leade you into all trueth: for he shall not speake of himselfe, but whatsoeuer he shall heare, shall he speake, and he will shew you the things to come.

Again I remind you... GOD IS NOT LIMITED TO TIME AND SPACE..

NOR IS HE CONTROLLED BY THE IGNORANCE OF MEN...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#431164 Apr 4, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>

Why not reproduce such magic tricks for the world to actually witness?
Because delusions cannot be witnessed by others.
AH, HA! Now we have another Pharisee, who says "Jesus, why don't you come down from that Cross, and save yourself, so that we can ALL BELIEVE, that you are, who you say you are!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431165 Apr 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I "woke up" after 35 years of listening to "heretical bible only preachers like you" who distort, manipulate and editorialize the TRUE interpretation of the bible, with anti-catholic hate, hostility and vengeance against JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF and His biblically and historically "proven" One True Catholic Church. The TRUE Gospel, teachings, doctrine and precepts of Jesus Christ are "clearly taught and expressed" by JESUS HIMSELF regarding His One True Catholic Church, the authority passed on to His Apostles, Salvation and the baptism of repentance, being born again (Nicodemus), and the Eucharist (Jesus TRUE BODY AND TRUE BLOOD)
As usual Confrinting, you just "list a (hodge-podged) bunch of bible verses" cherry picked with "editiorialized" bogus interpretations, and then apply them to "your own (vindictive) anti-catholic attitude, DENYING and REJECTING the "TRUE spoken words of Jesus Christ". As I have told you before Confrinting--you are just like Peter, before his TRUE CONVERSION to Jesus Christ!
YOU FISH AND CATCH "NOTHING"!!!
~~~

YOU HAVEN'T WOKEN UP YET.

YOU ARE STILL IN A CONTINUAL NIGHT MARE.

Evidently you will not awaken till the flames of hell are licking at your feet.

Then it will be a rude awakening...for sure...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#431166 Apr 4, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>my sources lately have been passages from the bible that clearly show the catholic church is not the true church,so i guess you can say i'm using an anti-catholic book,
NO! Yours is just like most "fundies"!.... One bible verse (cafeteria style) pick and choose "editorialized opinion" after another. It's better know as just "making it up" as you go along!1
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#431167 Apr 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Clueless....and uninformed.
"The series originated with the first printed Greek New Testament, published in 1516"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textus_Receptus
- Why do you think a book published 1100 years after one published in the 4th century is more accurate?
<quoted text>
Your post has nothing to do with mine, nor the forum's topic.
What is your point?
Your wrote Why do you think a book published 1100 years after one published in the 4th century is more accurate?

I gave you the answer because knowledge increased.
Normand Guay

Winnipeg, Canada

#431168 Apr 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I mean that Jesus Christ never told anyone to put together a NT. He never said He wanted Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to pen memoirs about His Ministry and include them with 23 other Books to become the foundation of His Ministry.
--- Clay; I disagree and you are clueless and nuts;>>>AS IF JESUS CHRIST WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND GOD THE FATHER DID NOT PUT GOD'S HOLY SCRIPTURES TOGETHER... Clay you need to wake up... GET REAL...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#431169 Apr 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...what is your point?
Anyone can cut and paste verses from the Bible. very few understand what they post.
The point being scripture states BODY !!!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#431170 Apr 4, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>Provide a single example of a doctrine that originates from an oral Apostolic Tradition that the Bible is silent about? Provide proof that this doctrinal tradition is apostolic in origin. and show oral proof the catholic church is the alleged true church.
Read the Catholic Catechism, and the Encyclicals which confirm and authenticate the TRUE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE----THE TRUE HISTORICAL CHURCH HISTORY WRITINGS ----and THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, as they parallel, confirm, validate, and substantiate EVERYTHING that Jesus taught, proclaimed and handed down to HIS Apostles over 2000 years ago. READ IT ALL --jethro8!! Then you can go "argue, discuss and debate with yourself in front of a mirror"!!
hahahahah

Charleston, WV

#431171 Apr 4, 2013
wow..its pretty obviuos what catholic stand for. pervert. look at yer priests and popes
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431172 Apr 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
AH, HA! Now we have another Pharisee, who says "Jesus, why don't you come down from that Cross, and save yourself, so that we can ALL BELIEVE, that you are, who you say you are!!!
Yep, why not? "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?"

The never-ending absurdity is part of the delusion.

Ever wonder about Jesus' famous lamentation in Matthew 27:46:
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#431173 Apr 4, 2013
Normand Guay wrote:
<quoted text>--- Hermy; the four Gospels is really " MATT; MARK; LUKE AND JOHN "... AS PER THE HOLY SCRIPTURES; ALSO AS PER JESUS CHRIST...
Normand please explain. The point I was making was that the Books of the Bible were identified well before any Council canonized them. Are you saying we should focus on the 4 Gospels and not so much the other books of the NT. I really want to know what you are saying cause I could learn something.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431174 Apr 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to thank "God" - but you can thank these Stanford scientists for coming up with an ingenious way to kill cancer cells:
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/03/27/scie...
To so-called "Christians" - "God works in mysterious ways."
To non-believers - Science did what "God" couldn't.
Fact - men through free will, chose to look into why the CD47 cell does what it does, and how can they change the action it takes.
No religion or "God" required to achieve this cure.
If "God" was involved - "He" would have provided this cure to men decades ago, instead of allowing many thousands of lives to be lost.
Think about the science. It IS anti-religion and true believers should avoid it.

Notice what happens when anyone is "miraculously cured". A person is sick, the person prays (or a prayer circle prays for the person) and the person is cured. A religious person looks at it and says, "God performed a miracle because of prayer!" That is the end of it.

A scientist looks at it in a very different way. A scientist looks at it and says, "Prayer had nothing to do with it - there is a natural cause for what we see here. If we understand the natural cause, then we can heal many more people suffering from the same condition."

In other words, it is only by assuming that the belief in prayer is a superstition that science can proceed.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#431175 Apr 4, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, why not? "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?"
The never-ending absurdity is part of the delusion.
Ever wonder about Jesus' famous lamentation in Matthew 27:46:
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense.
You are a bit confused about this. Jesus is God. the Father is od. The Holy Spirit is God.But They are 3 separate Persons. Jesus was praying to the Father, not to Himself.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431176 Apr 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Religion - A Delusion" Try praying--
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
It's delusional.
**********
Some cancer is the result of eating certain things. Some is the result of certain behaviors (homosexuality).(yes, google it...there are 115,000 articles on the subject.)
God DOES heal cancer. But until He wipes sin out (which He will), there will remain some devastating results of sin. Part of the process involves WILLINGLY FORSAKING SIN. Many don't want to do that.
You can pray anything you want...but stamping your feet like a child will not influence God to work miracles for a people who deny Him.
KM
If cancer is caused by sin, then why bother trying to cure it?

You are delusional.

You want your cake and eat it too. Medical science is anti-religion. It does not believe cancer is caused by sin. Science rejects prayer and mysticism. It looks for natural causes and cures.

When your go to a medical doctor, you are rejecting your delusions, which isn't a bad thing.

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