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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681618 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jun 10

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#430908 Apr 2, 2013
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Tiger Lily wrote:
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Can't you read Oxbow?
I have explained countless times that the word of God says Jesus did not ascend to Heaven for 40 days or so after He was crucified.
The Bible is infallible but you have to properly UNDERSTAND simple logic for it to be of any use to you.
The dead await a resurrection. They SLEEP in the dust of the Earth.
The thief still waits until the Second Coming.
095
Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
"today you shall be in paradise with me"...there is no doubt as to
" who" "where" nor to "when".
Continue your fruitless efforts of showing what you perceive to be an error in the infallible Word of God...
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#430909 Apr 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
It took the Catholic Church almost 400 yrs to compile a Bible because there was never any urgency to do so. Jesus never told anyone to do it. The Apostles never told anyone to do it.
In fact, the Apostles didn't put anything in writing until 20-30 yrs after Christ died.
And what they did write, they already explained. You guys don't seem to want to believe that.
You seem to be inferring that the bible is not really all that important and that catholics could get along just as well without it.
You are trying to make an issue of the fact that Jesus never instructed the writing of the scriptures. But it is a moot point because it was God the Holy Spirit who orchestrated the writing of His word. And since it is His word, it was of necessity inerrant, infallible and authoritative. YOU GUYS don't seem to want to believe that.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#430910 Apr 2, 2013
who="Oxbow"]891
<quoted text>
Adam was Created in the OT. Pneuma is not found in the OT.

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Isn't pneuma GREEK? The O.T. is not written in Greek.

KM

Since: Jun 10

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#430911 Apr 2, 2013
902
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
There is evidence in scripture that Moses' grave was never found.
Perhaps God visited him as He did many times.
Elijah was seen going up to Heaven in a fiery chariot.
The many "Mary" visitations are NOT of the real Mary who is waiting for the voice of the Archangel to awaken her.
That changes not the truth in my post:

For Moses to be talking with Christ...face to face...and be in his grave at the time, disproves the old adage "you can't be in two places at the same time"!!!!!
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430912 Apr 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
897
<quoted text>
095
Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
"today you shall be in paradise with me"...there is no doubt as to
" who" "where" nor to "when".
Continue your fruitless efforts of showing what you perceive to be an error in the infallible Word of God...
The error comes from man in their translation and placing the comma wrong that contradicts other scripture that is not vague on the subject of death and YOU.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430913 Apr 2, 2013
910
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"]891
<quoted text>
Adam was Created in the OT. Pneuma is not found in the OT.
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Isn't pneuma GREEK? The O.T. is not written in Greek.
KM
Pneuma is a Greek word...and the OT was not translated from Greek...
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#430914 Apr 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is human thought with Divine insights, forever entwined to help the reader understand God. I'm guessing .....
If what YOU claim(with no scriptural support(of curse) is true, then the bible is not God's word at all(as it claims to be) but merely 'human though'. No wonder you are so confused and have no ore regard fo the Holy Scriptures than you do. Do you just make it up as you go? Do you realize that to teach what you are is 'heresy'? Do you really want to do that?
Clay

Union, NJ

#430915 Apr 2, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> You seem to be inferring that the bible is not really all that important and that catholics could get along just as well without it.
You are trying to make an issue of the fact that Jesus never instructed the writing of the scriptures. But it is a moot point because it was God the Holy Spirit who orchestrated the writing of His word. And since it is His word, it was of necessity inerrant, infallible and authoritative. YOU GUYS don't seem to want to believe that.
I'm not saying nothing of the sort.
All I'm saying is Christians had nothing written down for the first thirty yrs of the faith. And when the Apostles did began to write, it was not viewed by others as the 'entire revelation by Jesus Christ'
It was the sacred traditions along with the verbal instructions from the Apostles on what Jesus commanded, 4gvn.
The Bishops the Apostles ordained (like Clement and Ignatius) also taught with authority and wrote letters and epistles as well. They were viewed in the same breath as if they came from Paul and Peter. No one spoke up and said "wait a second, you guys ain't Peter, Paul, and John, you have no authority!"
The Apostles were getting captured and killed, and the authority was passed on.
You don't realize how new your view of the Bible is. Once it was printed, people didn't know how to interpret it. All they could muster in their brains was ' word of God, word of God', without regard to how it came to be labeled as such and what that definition really means.
Clay

Union, NJ

#430916 Apr 2, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>If what YOU claim(with no scriptural support(of curse) is true, then the bible is not God's word at all(as it claims to be) but merely 'human though'. No wonder you are so confused and have no ore regard fo the Holy Scriptures than you do. Do you just make it up as you go? Do you realize that to teach what you are is 'heresy'? Do you really want to do that?
lol, there is no Church I've ever witnessed that shows more respect to the Bible than the Catholic Church. It IS the Word of God, because its the written words of the Apostles.
Interpreting what they wrote vs what they actually taught is a different story. I'm sure you'd agree, many religions were started by individuals assuming their own authoritative interpretations of those writings.
When the Catholic Church installed Chapter/verse to the Books, everyone went Awol. Many Christian sects were formed based entirely on Chapter/verse.(The Born Again movement is a good example)
Did you feel the Holy Spirit when you declared yourself 'born again' and acknowledged Jesus Christ as your savior? Heck yeah you did, and everyone who raises there arms to God will experience the same thing.
That doesn't give you permission to take the Bible and interpret it for yourself as if you're discovering something new; that was missed in the previous 2,000 yrs..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#430917 Apr 2, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:

Can't you read Oxbow?
I have explained countless times that the word of God says Jesus did not ascend to Heaven for 40 days or so after He was crucified.
The Bible is infallible but you have to properly UNDERSTAND simple logic for it to be of any use to you.
The dead await a resurrection. They SLEEP in the dust of the Earth.
The thief still waits until the Second Coming.

**********

T.L...READ the Book. Lazurus went into 'the bosom of Abraham'(paradise) while he was dead. Jesus told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise...not heaven.
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#430918 Apr 2, 2013
Preston wrote:
<quoted text>on Shabbat, God rested.
on Sunday, the Son of God rested, His Work being FINISHED.
easy enough for a Christian to understand, but not the devils workmen
Typical clueless uninformative answer from you Preston.
Jesus rested in the tomb on Sabbath as was required by the Holy Law.
Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17

Why would a law written for all mankind by the finger of God on two tablets of stone be wiped away by the words you say which are not even in scripture? Just like that? I think not.

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matt. 5:18

It appears very clearly that YOU are one of the devil's henchmen.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430919 Apr 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Tiger Lily wrote:
Can't you read Oxbow?
I have explained countless times that the word of God says Jesus did not ascend to Heaven for 40 days or so after He was crucified.
The Bible is infallible but you have to properly UNDERSTAND simple logic for it to be of any use to you.
The dead await a resurrection. They SLEEP in the dust of the Earth.
The thief still waits until the Second Coming.
**********
T.L...READ the Book. Lazurus went into 'the bosom of Abraham'(paradise) while he was dead. Jesus told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise...not heaven.
recking that's the main stream protestant view point of purgatorey you just get there a lot faster like in day huh ?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430920 Apr 2, 2013
reckon I'm going to call'er as night see ya'll folks on the morrow............
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#430921 Apr 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Tiger Lily wrote:
Can't you read Oxbow?
I have explained countless times that the word of God says Jesus did not ascend to Heaven for 40 days or so after He was crucified.
The Bible is infallible but you have to properly UNDERSTAND simple logic for it to be of any use to you.
The dead await a resurrection. They SLEEP in the dust of the Earth.
The thief still waits until the Second Coming.
**********
T.L...READ the Book. Lazurus went into 'the bosom of Abraham'(paradise) while he was dead. Jesus told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise...not heaven.
So now we have Purgatory, Limbo, Hell, Abraham's bosom and Heaven?

I have read the parable and have heard many sermons on it already and I know Jesus used many parables in His teaching. This is just one of them.

All that aside, was Jesus in Paradise on Friday night?

Where is that evident?
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#430922 Apr 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
910
<quoted text>
Pneuma is a Greek word...and the OT was not translated from Greek...
Nephesh and Pneuma are the words used for breath or spirit of life.
We now call it oxygen which is in the air that we breathe.

Can you reconcile these verses with what you believe?

Psalms 115:17 “The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.”

Psalms 146:4 When a man dies,“in that very day his thoughts perish.”

Ecclesiastes 9:5 “The dead know not anything.”

Ecclesiastes 9:10 “There is no work... nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave.”

Jesus Christ taught the Resurrection of the Dead

Matthew 22:23, 29 Jesus rebuked those who said there was “no resurrection.”

Matthew 22:31 Jesus taught “the resurrection of the dead.”

Luke 14:14 The saints will “be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”

John 5:28-29 “All who are in their graves” will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ.

John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 All believers will rise “on the last day.”

John 11:24 Martha said to Jesus,“I know that he [Lazarus] shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

It sort of overwhelms the idea that the righteous "dead" are in Paradise alive and well.
Clay

Union, NJ

#430923 Apr 2, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
So now we have Purgatory, Limbo, Hell, Abraham's bosom and Heaven?
I have read the parable and have heard many sermons on it already and I know Jesus used many parables in His teaching. This is just one of them.
All that aside, was Jesus in Paradise on Friday night?
Where is that evident?
Jesus and God are one. If God was in Heaven on Friday night, then so was Jesus in the reality of the Holy Spirit. The thief was in paradise with the risen Christ just like Our Lord promised, even if the bodily intellect of Jesus descended into hades.
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#430924 Apr 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus and God are one. If God was in Heaven on Friday night, then so was Jesus in the reality of the Holy Spirit. The thief was in paradise with the risen Christ just like Our Lord promised, even if the bodily intellect of Jesus descended into hades.
Can you quote even one passage which is clear on that?

If God and Jesus are "one" as you say, why did Jesus ask why God had forsaken Him?

Why did Jesus pray to His Father?

Why does the Bible say God sent His only begotten Son (Jesus) to save those who believe in Him?

YET THE BIBLE IS CLEAR THAT DEATH IS A SLEEP UNTIL THE RESURRECTION!

Job 14:12 The dead “shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep” until “the heavens be no more.”

Psalms 13:3 “Lest I sleep the sleep of death.”

Daniel 12:2 “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.”

Acts 7:60 When Stephen died,“he fell asleep.”

John 11:11-14 “Lazarus sleeps … Jesus spoke of his death.”

1 Corinthians 11:30; 15:6, 18, 51 Paul said death was “sleep.”

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 Those “which sleep in Jesus” will be resurrected.

YOUR THESIS DENIES THIS IS TRUTH!
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#430925 Apr 2, 2013
KJV. 1 Thessalonians 4:13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are <<asleep>>, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which <<sleep>> in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are <<asleep>>.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
And many of them that <<sleep>> in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.(Dan. 12:2).

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.(John 5:29).

Is the Bosom of Abraham a giant bed where dead people sleep?

Perhaps it is nothing more than a peaceful grave or tomb.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#430926 Apr 2, 2013
who="Tiger Lily"
So now we have Purgatory, Limbo, Hell, Abraham's bosom and Heaven?
I have read the parable and have heard many sermons on it already and I know Jesus used many parables in His teaching. This is just one of them.
All that aside, was Jesus in Paradise on Friday night?
Where is that evident?

**********

Purgatory and Limbo are Catholic concoctions...not Biblical ones. The CC has already declared that there is no Limbo.

Abraham's bosom and Hell and Heaven are for real. Abraham and Lazarus were REAL people...thus Jesus was not telling a parable. Paradise (Abraham's bosom) was a place for the righteous dead. Read Mt. 27:52,53.

Since: Jun 10

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#430927 Apr 2, 2013
922
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Nephesh and Pneuma are the words used for breath or spirit of life.
We now call it oxygen which is in the air that we breathe.
Can you reconcile these verses with what you believe?
Psalms 115:17 “The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.”
Psalms 146:4 When a man dies,“in that very day his thoughts perish.”
Ecclesiastes 9:5 “The dead know not anything.”
Ecclesiastes 9:10 “There is no work... nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave.”
Jesus Christ taught the Resurrection of the Dead
Matthew 22:23, 29 Jesus rebuked those who said there was “no resurrection.”
Matthew 22:31 Jesus taught “the resurrection of the dead.”
Luke 14:14 The saints will “be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”
John 5:28-29 “All who are in their graves” will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ.
John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 All believers will rise “on the last day.”
John 11:24 Martha said to Jesus,“I know that he [Lazarus] shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
It sort of overwhelms the idea that the righteous "dead" are in Paradise alive and well.
All I can do is show you the truth...you have ever right to disregard it for your mistaken understanding of the infallible word of God..

910

Pneuma is a Greek word...and the OT was not translated from Greek...

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