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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 596000 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Nov 08

usa

#430136 Mar 28, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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I have heard commentaries from several people who said Paul was an old and tired man. I did not lie.
You still have not explained the point of a resurrection when souls are already in Heaven!!!!!
Or are you going to find someone who knows?
Paul:ends up spending at least five total years of his ministry in prison, is whipped five times and beaten three times with rods. He also survives a stoning and endures a shipwreck in the Mediterranean. He remained faithful to God to the very end of his life, where he experienced martyrdom at the hands of the Romans. Paul's impact on Christianity and Christian beliefs is truly enormous. He truly was a remarkable man used by God!..jethro:The Romans are beating and torturing jesus's apostles,and we are suppose to believe Jesus built is church in a country that beat his followers and are also responsible for Jesus' own death, but despite all that we are suppose to believe he built his church in this barbaric country at the time. for all we know, Jesus could be responsible for the decline of the roman empire,there is no history to prove it,but it could be possible.
Potsi

San Antonio, TX

#430137 Mar 28, 2013
Only true church for child molesters!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430138 Mar 28, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have heard commentaries from several people who said Paul was an old and tired man. I did not lie.
You still have not explained the point of a resurrection when souls are already in Heaven!!!!!
Or are you going to find someone who knows?
According to some secular records (there is no description of Paul in The Bible), the apostle Paul wouldn't have won any "beauty contests." One second-century account described him as "short of stature, bald head, crooked legs, a large hooked nose with eyebrows that met in the middle." This manner of description seems to be corroborated by Paul's own admission that he was "unimpressive" (e.g. 2 Corinthians 10:10) not only in physical appearance, but also, very surprisingly, in speaking ability - certainly not "stage fright" (Paul boldly spoke before large crowds, and to high government officials who literally had the power of life and death over him) or in knowledge or vocabulary (he was a highly-educated Pharisee, and later, personally inspired by Jesus Christ), but with something that people didn't like, perhaps a voice that, although powerful in volume (the Scriptures make plain that the crowds could hear him) was of an unusual pitch or rate (a problem that another great servant of God had - Moses stuttered). And yet, in the eyes of God, and of Christians who base their Christian beliefs on the Holy Bible (of which Paul was an author, or a subject, of much of the New Testament), Paul was one of the greatest Christians that the world would ever know, a man "full of friendliness" as though he had the "face of an angel.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430139 Mar 28, 2013
Condemning the military dictatorship (including its human rights violations) was a taboo within the Catholic Church. While the upper echelons of the Church were supportive of the military Junta, the grassroots of the Church was firmly opposed to the imposition of military rule.

In 2005, human rights lawyer Myriam Bregman filed a criminal suit against Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the military junta in the 1976 kidnapping of two Jesuit priests.

Several years later, the survivors of the “Dirty War” openly accused Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of complicity in the kidnapping of priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio as well six members of their parish,(El Mundo, 8 November 2010)

(Image Left: Jorge Mario Bergoglio and General Jorge Videla)

Bergoglio, who at the time was “Provincial” for the Society of Jesus, had ordered the two “Leftist” Jesuit priests and opponents of military rule “to leave their pastoral work”(i.e. they were fired) following divisions within the Society of Jesus regarding the role of the Catholic Church and its relations to the military Junta.

While the two priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio, kidnapped by the death squads in May 1976 were released five months later. after having been tortured, six other people associated with their parish kidnapped as part of the same operation were “disappeared”(desaparecidos). These included four teachers associated with the parish and two of their husbands.

Upon his release, Priest Orlando Yorio “accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over [including six other people] to the death squads … Jalics refused to discuss the complaint after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.”(Associated Press, March 13, 2013, emphasis added), "another great pope" .

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430140 Mar 28, 2013
In the course of the trial initiated in 2005:

“Bergoglio [Pope Francis I] twice invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court, and when he eventually did testify in 2010, his answers were evasive”:“At least two cases directly involved Bergoglio. One examined the torture of two of his Jesuit priests — Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics — who were kidnapped in 1976 from the slums where they advocated liberation theology. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads… by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.”(Los Angeles Times, April 1, 2005)

The Secret Memorandum

[This section was added on March 19, 2013]

The military government acknowledged in a Secret Memo (see below) that Father Bergoglio had accused the two priests of having established contacts with the guerilleros, and for having disobeyed the orders of the Church hierarchy (Conflictos de obedecencia). It also states that the Jesuit order had demanded the dissolution of their group and that they had refused to abide by Bergoglio’s instructions.

The document acknowledges that the “arrest” of the two priests, who were taken to the torture and detention center at the Naval School of Mechanics, ESMA, was based on information transmitted by Father Bergoglio to the military authorities.(signed by Mr. Orcoyen)

(see below).

While a former member of the priests group had joined the insurgency, there was no evidence of the priests having contacts with the guerrilla movement.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430141 Mar 28, 2013
The Vatican under Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II played a central role in supporting the Argentinian military Junta.

Pio Laghi, the Vatican’s apostolic nuncio to Argentina admitted “turning a blind eye” to the torture and massacres.

Laghi had personal ties to members of the ruling military junta including General Jorge Videla and Admiral Emilio Eduardo Massera.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430142 Mar 28, 2013
The election of Pope Francis I has broad geopolitical implications for the entire Latin American region.

In the 1970s, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was supportive of a US sponsored military dictatorship.

The Catholic hierarchy in Argentina supported the military government. The Junta’s program of torture, assassinations and ‘disappearances” of thousands of political opponents was coordinated and supported by Washington under the CIA’s “Operation Condor”.

Wall Street’s interests were sustained through Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz’ office at the Ministry of Economy.

The Catholic Church in Latin America is politically influential. It also has a grip on public opinion. This is known and understood by the architects of US foreign policy as well as US intelligence.

In Latin America, where a number of governments are now challenging US hegemony, one would expect –given Bergoglio’s track record– that the new Pontiff Francis I as leader of the Catholic Church, will play de facto, a discrete “undercover” political role on behalf of Washington.

With Jorge Bergoglio, Pope Francis I in the Vatican –who faithfully served US interests in the heyday of General Jorge Videla and Admiral Emilio Massera– the hierarchy of the Catholic Church in Latin America can once again be effectively manipulated to undermine “progressive”(Leftist) governments, not only in Argentina (in relation to the government of Cristina Kirschner) but throughout the entire region, including Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia.

The instatement of “a pro-US pope” occurred a week following the death of president Hugo Chavez.

“Regime Change” at the Vatican

The US State Department routinely pressures members of the United Security Council with a view to influencing the vote pertaining to Security Council resolutions.

US covert operations and propaganda campaigns are routinely applied with a view to influencing national elections in different countries around the World.

Similarly, the CIA has a longstanding covert relationship with the Vatican.

Did the US government attempt to influence the outcome of the election of the new pontiff?

Firmly committed to serving US foreign policy interests in Latin America, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was Washington’s preferred candidate.

Were undercover pressures discretely exerted by Washington, within the Catholic Church, directly or indirectly, on the 115 cardinals who are members of the Vatican conclave?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430143 Mar 28, 2013
socci wrote:
Washington's Pope: Pope Francis and the South American Dirty Wars
http://archive.org/details/Washingtons Pope
article & radio interview
interesting site you posted,i put up some of it's content on here,now i'm going to look for news sources from Latin america and see if any of them basically support the W.posts story.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430144 Mar 28, 2013
socci wrote:
Washington's Pope: Pope Francis and the South American Dirty Wars
http://archive.org/details/WashingtonsPope
article & radio interview
just had a thought if the story is true as to francis' non-action as to what is/was going on in Argentina,and he refused to testify,so again a cardinal voted in as pope,to give him the protection of diplomatic immunity.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430145 Mar 28, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us where in the Bible it says it is a catholic Bible?
If it is catholic, why waste time writing the catechism?
it's actually the pagan/christian bible,the word catholic was not spoken yet by Ignatius,they picked threw the books chose what fit their agenda,most likely changed a word or two,and burned 27 books that would probably prove they did,is the bible perfect? we'll never know,because we don't know what was in the books that they burned,and have scripture hidden in their archives and won't show them to anyone (which is wrong),and when the scriptures were first discovered they were not taken seriously and some were torn up and sold as souvenirs to tourists,so people who believe in the one god theory, are truly going on BLIND FAITH,that this is all true.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430146 Mar 28, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you not seen all my previous posts, Oxbow?
Jesus was in his tomb on Friday after sunset, Sabbath and not until Sunday morning early did He arise. He was on earth another 40 days: not in Heaven.
Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, thou shalt be with me in paradise.
I have explained this a number of times and yet you refuse to see that this is contrary to other scriptures so your understanding has to be questioned. It is quite biblical to prove one text against another but if you cling to your favourite belief, there is nothing which will convince you.
A man convinced against his will
Is of the same opinion still.
The Nature Of Man
We must first establish the facts about the nature of man. The first Bible text we need to look at is Job 4:17. "Shall mortal man be more just than God? Shall a man be more pure than his maker?" The word mortal means subject to death; the word immortal means not subject to death. The word immortal is used only once in the Bible, 1 Timothy 1:17. "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever, Amen." God is the only One who has immortality. 1 Timothy 6:l6 is even more clear. "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." Only God has this power of immortal existence. Man is described as being mortal, or subject to death.
Does The Soul Die?
Some people believe that the above texts refer to the body and that the soul is immortal, and that the soul itself cannot die. This next text will forever clear up this misunderstanding. "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4. This text says that the soul is subject to death. Nowhere in the Bible is the doctrine taught that the soul is immortal.
If the soul is subject to death, then where did this belief originate that the soul does not die? We can start at the beginning of the Bible and find out very soon who is responsible for this lie. You can read Genesis 3:1-4 which is the conversation between the Serpent and Eve and you will see in the fourth verse that Satan, the Serpent, told Eve the very first lie: "Ye shall not surely die." Right at the beginning of mankind, Satan originated this lie that the soul would not die and it has been carried down through the ages. If indeed the soul is mortal or subject to death, then what actually happens when a person dies?
http://www.preparingforeternity.com/dead.htm
if Jesus rose from his tomb in 3 days,rising on the Sabbath (Saturday),he would of been placed in the tomb on a Thursday or possibly a wednesday. Mark 15:42-43 says that Jesus was crucified on the day before the Sabbath. If the Sabbath mentioned was the weekly Sabbath, then that lends toward a Friday crucifixion.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430147 Mar 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no intention "wasting my time" discussing, debating or deliberating, your "Protestant" (bogus) interpretations and (distorted) meanings of "cherry picked" bible verses......... Your bible only "editorialized translations of Sacred Scripture, is "NOTHING" but "relative truth" Christianity---(what each person thinks is true)........The TRUE INTERPRETATION-of the bible--- HAS ALREADY BEEN "VERIFIED AS TRUTH" in 382, 393, and 397 AD by the Early Church Fathers---"who gave you "Protestant (fundies) your bible that you mis-interpret, mis-quote and falsely mis-represent!
For over 500 years, since the Reformation, you have DONE NOTHING but create more and more division, more and more contradicting, and more and more conflicting "compromising" of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible with 42,000 hodge-podge Protestant denominations.(who CANNOT, nor EVER WILL agree on ANYTHING)..... There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate and NOTHING to deliberate!! The TRUTH of the bible and the TRUTH of Church History and the TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has been authenticated (OVER AND OVER AGAIN) as being PROVEN to be TRUE for over 2000 years......Go argue among yourselves!!!! We, as Catholics, ALREADY HAVE POSSESSED AND ADHERED to the TRUTH that "the Church came 1st!!--Then the bible, more than 350 years later. There is NOTHING TO DISCUSS---but to share in the TRUTH of Faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and the One TRUE (Universal)Catholic Church that Our Lord gave to us!!
quote from HOJO"I have no intention "wasting my time"unquote JETHRO:you say this all the time,because you know in your heart it is a waste of time trying to prove the R.P/C.C. is the true church because there is no history to support the churches and your belief.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#430148 Mar 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no intention "wasting my time" discussing, debating or deliberating, your "Protestant" (bogus) interpretations and (distorted) meanings of "cherry picked" bible verses......... Your bible only "editorialized translations of Sacred Scripture, is "NOTHING" but "relative truth" Christianity---(what each person thinks is true)........The TRUE INTERPRETATION-of the bible--- HAS ALREADY BEEN "VERIFIED AS TRUTH" in 382, 393, and 397 AD by the Early Church Fathers---"who gave you "Protestant (fundies) your bible that you mis-interpret, mis-quote and falsely mis-represent!
For over 500 years, since the Reformation, you have DONE NOTHING but create more and more division, more and more contradicting, and more and more conflicting "compromising" of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible with 42,000 hodge-podge Protestant denominations.(who CANNOT, nor EVER WILL agree on ANYTHING)..... There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate and NOTHING to deliberate!! The TRUTH of the bible and the TRUTH of Church History and the TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has been authenticated (OVER AND OVER AGAIN) as being PROVEN to be TRUE for over 2000 years......Go argue among yourselves!!!! We, as Catholics, ALREADY HAVE POSSESSED AND ADHERED to the TRUTH that "the Church came 1st!!--Then the bible, more than 350 years later. There is NOTHING TO DISCUSS---but to share in the TRUTH of Faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and the One TRUE (Universal)Catholic Church that Our Lord gave to us!!
hojo says......Then the bible, more than 350 years later.

Michael says.....If this man Jesus was the greatest man that ever lived, why did it take 3 long centuries for people to believe in him over 300 years after he died?

Its called personal agenda.



“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430149 Mar 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Then why do you reject his teachings in GoThomas, if what you say above is your mantra?
Are you calling Jesus a liar by utilizing "Paul" and the other five possible Apostles?
Please don't say I never told you otherwise, because then you would be calling me a liar and not being very honest with yourself.
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I don't know why I bother to respond to your post...mostly attempting to be civil I guess.
Jesus gave gifts to the Church and apprehended Saul of Tarsus whom we know as the Apostle Paul was evidently one of them...and sent him forth. as and ambassador to represent the kingdom of God...
Whom He sends he equips..
Act 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
Act 9:11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth
,
Act 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way:
===>for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.<===
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
~~~~~~~~~~
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 ==> And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;<==
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
The Apostle Paul was one of THE FIVE FOLD MINISTRY GIFTS
THAT GOD SENT TO THE GENTILES
As you can see - you didn't answer my questions at all, but slyly avoided even attempted to answer them.

Why?

What are you afraid of if you believe these teachings that Jesus put forth, but men rebuked?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#430150 Mar 28, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>quote from HOJO"I have no intention "wasting my time"unquote JETHRO:you say this all the time,because you know in your heart it is a waste of time trying to prove the R.P/C.C. is the true church because there is no history to support the churches and your belief.
I think he just copied his first comment and hits the paste button a couple times a day.

He has the same story over and over, and NEVER explains his reasoning.

therefore HOJO is BUSTED!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#430151 Mar 28, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>it's actually the pagan/christian bible,the word catholic was not spoken yet by Ignatius,they picked threw the books chose what fit their agenda,most likely changed a word or two,and burned 27 books that would probably prove they did,is the bible perfect? we'll never know,because we don't know what was in the books that they burned,and have scripture hidden in their archives and won't show them to anyone (which is wrong),and when the scriptures were first discovered they were not taken seriously and some were torn up and sold as souvenirs to tourists,so people who believe in the one god theory, are truly going on BLIND FAITH,that this is all true.
Who would burn books of stories of a man they all believed actually lived? People with agendas, thats who.

makes no common sense!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430152 Mar 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I don't know why I bother to respond to your post...mostly attempting to be civil I guess.
BTW - You should be civil all the time - especially if you claim to be a minister. You should only be projecting love for others.

Well, that is if you follow Jesus. I guess that is under scrutiny, huh?

“the end-times is now”

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#430153 Mar 28, 2013
"projecting love for others"

sometimes this "love-for-others" expresses itself in what the Bible calls ... Righteous INDIGNATION .. ie: turning over tables and calling the pharicees snakes and vipers and polished graves

....... be ye angry and sin not

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430154 Mar 28, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
037
"2. Why can't you understand that Jesus was not in Heaven for at least another 40 days after Good Friday. He was seen on earth with friends. He appeared in the upper room. He performed miracles. All the while the thief was waiting."
"all the while the thief was waiting" clearly says Christ was lying when He said "Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
That is very very close to committing the one unforgivable sin...blasphemy...

**********
New Age wrote:
I disagree.

Even Jesus disagrees with you.

(44) Jesus says:

(1) "Whoever blasphemes against the Father, it will be forgiven him.
(2) And whoever blasphemes against the Son, it will be forgiven him.
(3) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither on earth nor in heaven."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

Why do you try to instill fear unto others with false teachings?
Oxbow wrote:
062
<quoted text>
Did I not say that blasphemy is the one sin that cannot be forgiven???!!!! Any Christian knows that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit!!!!!!
Actually, if you look at your post, you appear to be saying that the poster was nearing blasphemy - against Jesus.

Maybe it was your wording. So I posted that you are incorrect, balsphemy against Jesus is forgiveable.

Not one word in your post above references the HS.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430155 Mar 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no intention "wasting my time" discussing, debating or deliberating, your "Protestant" (bogus) interpretations and (distorted) meanings of "cherry picked" bible verses......... Your bible only "editorialized translations of Sacred Scripture, is "NOTHING" but "relative truth" Christianity---(what each person thinks is true)........The TRUE INTERPRETATION-of the bible--- HAS ALREADY BEEN "VERIFIED AS TRUTH" in 382, 393, and 397 AD by the Early Church Fathers---"who gave you "Protestant (fundies) your bible that you mis-interpret, mis-quote and falsely mis-represent!
For over 500 years, since the Reformation, you have DONE NOTHING but create more and more division, more and more contradicting, and more and more conflicting "compromising" of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible with 42,000 hodge-podge Protestant denominations.(who CANNOT, nor EVER WILL agree on ANYTHING)..... There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate and NOTHING to deliberate!! The TRUTH of the bible and the TRUTH of Church History and the TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has been authenticated (OVER AND OVER AGAIN) as being PROVEN to be TRUE for over 2000 years......Go argue among yourselves!!!! We, as Catholics, ALREADY HAVE POSSESSED AND ADHERED to the TRUTH that "the Church came 1st!!--Then the bible, more than 350 years later. There is NOTHING TO DISCUSS---but to share in the TRUTH of Faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and the One TRUE (Universal)Catholic Church that Our Lord gave to us!!
*hands you a paper bag*

This will help you relax and catch your breath.

I was just tired and out of breath just reading this post. PHEW!! Glad that's over.

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