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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#430093 Mar 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
You are changing Scripture to make it say what you want it to say....I have not seen any versions of the Bible that shows the error you are saying is in the Bible...
Oxbow, don't you think all of us (or all religions)twist scripture to say what we want it to say?

Also, if you can answer this, let me know. I have been very sick, and hospitalized twice within a couple of weeks (due to dangerously low sugar - usually it's sky high) and fell into unconsciousness, my husband found me on the floor and called 911) I was totally out of it, don't remember a thing, it was just a deep, dreamless sleep - nothing to be afraid of - couldn't death be just like that? Nothingness? If so, it's nothing to fear.

Love and the best of luck to you and yours.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430094 Mar 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
my response
xxxxxxx
I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO CONTRADICT YOUR POST...with all the discussion about Saints being in Heaven etc...there are two examples that give us light on the subject..
First was Jesus...At the time of his death his last words were...
Luk_23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
==>Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
~~~
A second example was Stephen...at the time of his death....
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
In both instances they commended their spirits ...
Jesus first to the Heavenly Father...Then Stephen to Jesus...
The body is made of dirt and it returns to the earth...
The spirit (Gr(Pneuma. which is the breath of God (Gr( returns to God.
In the catching away..(called the rapture, by some.) The spirit and a new body (made like unto the body of Christ) will be reunited...
The Bible says
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
IT IS THEN WE WILL BE THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHECY...
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php_3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
The spirit of a man... The spirit (Gr(Pneuma. which is the breath of God (Gr( returns to God.
See Genesis: Body + Spirit = Soul.
Job 27:3 ...as long as I have life within me, the breath of God in my nostrils,
Spirit is breath. It does not go to Heaven as you know it. It goes to the atmosphere which is the first Heaven.
1 Jn 3:2 We shall be like him WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR. At the Resurrection not when we die.

All these verses point to a resurrection.

Nothing here proves an instant passage to Heaven for anything but our breath.
socci

Cameron, MO

#430095 Mar 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Lu 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
You are changing Scripture to make it say what you want it to say....I have not seen any versions of the Bible that shows the error you are saying is in the Bible...

Even if the comma is placed correct Jesus is simply telling the new convert he is saved as of Today, not that they will be going to Heaven. Jesus did not go to Heaven, then why would he lie to the new convert. He didnt.

The dead sleep until the Second Coming, just as Lazarus did. Jesus said plainly "Lazarus sleeps". When Jesus called Lazarus He did not call Lazarus down from Heaven. He said "COME FORTH!" Not: "come down."
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430096 Mar 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible belongs to the Catholic Church and you know it.
It did not pop out of the sky and handed out for all to determine their own Christianity.
Now quit being so stupid. Those verses you attempt to teach on were already explained once.
Jesus Christ did not start a Book, He started a Church. If you claim Christ instituted the Books of the Bible to be His authority on His Ministry, could you provide a verse stating such an absurdity??
The Holy Scriptures were collected by the Church and added to the Hebrew Books in the 4th century by the Catholic Church at Rome.
Tiger, this is irrefutable undeniable historic fact.
This nonsense you preach is about 150 yrs old and ever evolving. THAT is what a cult does...
Clay, do not have the arrogance to tell us our Bible came from the RCC. The "nonsense" I "preach is straight from the Bible you claim is yours. It is as ancient as the Gospels. Just your church changed the doctrine of it into a false one.

Only by denying all the texts I have given have you a hope of convincing anyone but a dogmatic ignoramus that we go to Heaven when we die.

Death is a sleep. Your Bible tells us so.

Ultimately, Bible truth about death is comforting. Our beloved dead are sleeping quietly, awaiting the resurrection when Jesus returns. Truth also protects us from being deceived by heartless, tricky demons who can easily impersonate the dead.

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).

Nothing here which says our spirits are already there!

Note the TWO resurrections. Judgement day decides which resurrection you will take part in.
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#430097 Mar 27, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense. It would not be a valid church.
Jesus told Peter build MY Church!!
Jesus wanted only ONE CHURCH.
The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:2332). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.
Your 20th century church can NOT make up NEW rules!
And pass the key to a pope out of nowhere...
Hmm..can you support it?
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430098 Mar 27, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow, don't you think all of us (or all religions)twist scripture to say what we want it to say?
Also, if you can answer this, let me know. I have been very sick, and hospitalized twice within a couple of weeks (due to dangerously low sugar - usually it's sky high) and fell into unconsciousness, my husband found me on the floor and called 911) I was totally out of it, don't remember a thing, it was just a deep, dreamless sleep - nothing to be afraid of - couldn't death be just like that? Nothingness? If so, it's nothing to fear.
Love and the best of luck to you and yours.
Sorry to hear that Sherlayne. I am on insulin as well and have had several hypo's and was barely conscious.

You are right. Just as Lazarus awoke from death without even a mention of Heaven, it was just as if he awoke from a sleep.

I would hate to think my Mum and Dad are up there looking down on me here.

Lokk after yourself XXXX.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#430099 Mar 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible belongs to the Catholic Church and you know it.
It did not pop out of the sky and handed out for all to determine their own Christianity.
Now quit being so stupid. Those verses you attempt to teach on were already explained once.
Jesus Christ did not start a Book, He started a Church. If you claim Christ instituted the Books of the Bible to be His authority on His Ministry, could you provide a verse stating such an absurdity??
The Holy Scriptures were collected by the Church and added to the Hebrew Books in the 4th century by the Catholic Church at Rome.
Tiger, this is irrefutable undeniable historic fact.
This nonsense you preach is about 150 yrs old and ever evolving. THAT is what a cult does...
~~~~

YOU WROTE

The Bible belongs to the Catholic Church and you know it.

IT BELONGS TO WHOSOEVER WILL BELIEVE IT...

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

~~~

SO IT COULDN'T BELONG TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...

FOR THEY NEITHER BELIEVE NOR RECEIVE IT..AND LOATHE THE THOUGH OF

LIVING BY IT.

THEY HAVE THEIR BOOK CALL THEIR CATECHISM,

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#430100 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, do not have the arrogance to tell us our Bible came from the RCC. The "nonsense" I "preach is straight from the Bible you claim is yours. It is as ancient as the Gospels. Just your church changed the doctrine of it into a false one.
Only by denying all the texts I have given have you a hope of convincing anyone but a dogmatic ignoramus that we go to Heaven when we die.
Death is a sleep. Your Bible tells us so.
Ultimately, Bible truth about death is comforting. Our beloved dead are sleeping quietly, awaiting the resurrection when Jesus returns. Truth also protects us from being deceived by heartless, tricky demons who can easily impersonate the dead.
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).
Nothing here which says our spirits are already there!
Note the TWO resurrections. Judgement day decides which resurrection you will take part in.
YOU WROTE...

"Nothing here which says our spirits are already there!"

I GAVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES FROM THE BIBLE...Did you not read my post....

I don't call Jesus "Nothing" DO YOU?... HE COMMENDED HIS SPIRIT TO THE FATHER..did he not?

Stephen COMMENDED his spirit to Jesus...while JESUS WAS GIVING HIM A STANDING OVATION...

I HARDLY BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD CALL THEM "NOTHING"

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#430101 Mar 27, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if the comma is placed correct Jesus is simply telling the new convert he is saved as of Today, not that they will be going to Heaven. Jesus did not go to Heaven, then why would he lie to the new convert. He didnt.
The dead sleep until the Second Coming, just as Lazarus did. Jesus said plainly "Lazarus sleeps". When Jesus called Lazarus He did not call Lazarus down from Heaven. He said "COME FORTH!" Not: "come down."
Mincing words, as we all tend to do.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#430102 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, do not have the arrogance to tell us our Bible came from the RCC. The "nonsense" I "preach is straight from the Bible you claim is yours. It is as ancient as the Gospels. Just your church changed the doctrine of it into a false one.
Only by denying all the texts I have given have you a hope of convincing anyone but a dogmatic ignoramus that we go to Heaven when we die.
Death is a sleep. Your Bible tells us so.
Ultimately, Bible truth about death is comforting. Our beloved dead are sleeping quietly, awaiting the resurrection when Jesus returns. Truth also protects us from being deceived by heartless, tricky demons who can easily impersonate the dead.
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).
Nothing here which says our spirits are already there!
Note the TWO resurrections. Judgement day decides which resurrection you will take part in.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE Roman CATHOLICS, BUT NEITHER DO I AGREE WITH YOU.

TO BEGAN WITH THOSE THAT ARE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE "RAPTURE" WILL NOT BE HAILED INTO JUDGMENT...

==>THEY WILL BE DEEMED WORTHY ( TO PARTAKE OF THE MARRIAGE SUPER OF THE LAMB) BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE EARTH...ELSE THEY WILL NOT BE CAUGHT AWAY..

The Bible says

Rev_20:==> Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#430103 Mar 27, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>

And pass the key to a pope out of nowhere...
Hmm..can you support it?
But they do all the time. What happened to limbo? Cremation? St. Christopher? Women didn't have souls? I think Purgatory may be next on its way out. Also, Communion fasting rules? They change all the time.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#430104 Mar 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~~
YOU WROTE
The Bible belongs to the Catholic Church and you know it.
IT BELONGS TO WHOSOEVER WILL BELIEVE IT...
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
~~~
SO IT COULDN'T BELONG TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...
FOR THEY NEITHER BELIEVE NOR RECEIVE IT..AND LOATHE THE THOUGH OF
LIVING BY IT.
THEY HAVE THEIR BOOK CALL THEIR CATECHISM,
Please tell me where the Bible says those 27 Books are 'the Bible'?

You can't because it doesn't say it.
You're relying on the Catholic Church and her Sacred Tradition that bore forth the New Testament canon.
Then- in your foolish arrogance- you put a false title on it (sola scripture) and preceded to beat the Holy Catholic Church over the head.
This Easter Sunday, you'll be observing the day the Roman Catholic Church said to observe for Our Lords death and resurrection. Remember that.

You fools think the New Testament canon was written; passed out to the folks; and THEN the Catholic Church began.

Now I'll step aside as you fundies use the Bible from the Catholic Church to bludgeon each other with.
marge

Ames, IA

#430105 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, do not have the arrogance to tell us our Bible came from the RCC. The "nonsense" I "preach is straight from the Bible you claim is yours. It is as ancient as the Gospels. Just your church changed the doctrine of it into a false one.
Only by denying all the texts I have given have you a hope of convincing anyone but a dogmatic ignoramus that we go to Heaven when we die.
Death is a sleep. Your Bible tells us so.
Ultimately, Bible truth about death is comforting. Our beloved dead are sleeping quietly, awaiting the resurrection when Jesus returns. Truth also protects us from being deceived by heartless, tricky demons who can easily impersonate the dead.
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).
Nothing here which says our spirits are already there!
Note the TWO resurrections. Judgement day decides which resurrection you will take part in.
"Judgement day decides which resurrection you will take part in."

Excuse me? Have you not been adopted by God as a son, yet?
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#430106 Mar 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell me where the Bible says those 27 Books are 'the Bible'?
You can't because it doesn't say it.
You're relying on the Catholic Church and her Sacred Tradition that bore forth the New Testament canon.
Then- in your foolish arrogance- you put a false title on it (sola scripture) and preceded to beat the Holy Catholic Church over the head.
This Easter Sunday, you'll be observing the day the Roman Catholic Church said to observe for Our Lords death and resurrection. Remember that.
You fools think the New Testament canon was written; passed out to the folks; and THEN the Catholic Church began.
Now I'll step aside as you fundies use the Bible from the Catholic Church to bludgeon each other with.
Tell us where in the Bible it says it is a catholic Bible?
If it is catholic, why waste time writing the catechism?
marge

Ames, IA

#430107 Mar 27, 2013
I agree with confrinting on the subject, and the Bible text as written on the subject, i and many others have understood for a very long time, 'rest in peace' is a promise from God for those who die in Him.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#430108 Mar 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE Roman CATHOLICS, BUT NEITHER DO I AGREE WITH YOU.
TO BEGAN WITH THOSE THAT ARE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE "RAPTURE" WILL NOT BE HAILED INTO JUDGMENT...
==>THEY WILL BE DEEMED WORTHY ( TO PARTAKE OF THE MARRIAGE SUPER OF THE LAMB) BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE EARTH...ELSE THEY WILL NOT BE CAUGHT AWAY..
The Bible says
Rev_20:==> Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
~~~

WHAT EVER CHURCH YOU BELONG TO ...

THOSE THAT DO NOT MEET THE HOLY QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO BE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION HAD BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ...JESUS IS COMING SOON...

2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

JUST WHOM ARE YOU BEARING WITH,...IS IT THE AUTHENTIC JESUS OR ANOTHER

IS IT ANOTHER GOSPEL? OR THE WORD OF GOD.?

JESUS IS HOLY ...

Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

"HEAVEN IS A HOLY PLACE FILLED WITH GLORY AND WITH GRACE..

.SIN CAN NEVER ENTER THERE!"

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430109 Mar 27, 2013
083
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not found that in any of my Bibles.
Chapter and verse please?
It sounds like it is from a source which is not in alignment with the Bible.
Do these "spirits of the righteous" look like people?
Can they see us here on Earth?
Are they immortal?
Have they been through a Judgement Day?
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing...(Ecclesiastes 9:5)
The dead are at total rest.
They know and are aware of absolutely nothing!
They do not even know they are dead.
They are not in heaven with God or burning in hellfire or in purgatory.
There are not spirits or ghosts of dead humans running around the earth spooking people.
That fact should ruin many a bad movie and book plots for you, but it is a fact!
The person who recently put his soul up for auction on the Internet should be charged with fraud if he accepted any bid because he is selling something he does not have!
I'm sure he knew this to be true.
The only spirits and ghosts around are God and the angels.
God has existed from the beginning, and He created the angels.
Its a book recently put on the market...it is called "dictionary"...
marge

Ames, IA

#430110 Mar 27, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
But they do all the time. What happened to limbo? Cremation? St. Christopher? Women didn't have souls? I think Purgatory may be next on its way out. Also, Communion fasting rules? They change all the time.
Don't bother with what men say Sheryl, just pray to God alone as your your Father and Creator in Heaven, He alone Loves you so very much more than man ever could.
atemcowboy

Waverly, OH

#430111 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not found that in any of my Bibles.
Chapter and verse please?
It sounds like it is from a source which is not in alignment with the Bible.
Do these "spirits of the righteous" look like people?
Can they see us here on Earth?
Are they immortal?
Have they been through a Judgement Day?
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing...(Ecclesiastes 9:5)
The dead are at total rest.
They know and are aware of absolutely nothing!
They do not even know they are dead.
They are not in heaven with God or burning in hellfire or in purgatory.
There are not spirits or ghosts of dead humans running around the earth spooking people.
That fact should ruin many a bad movie and book plots for you, but it is a fact!
The person who recently put his soul up for auction on the Internet should be charged with fraud if he accepted any bid because he is selling something he does not have!
I'm sure he knew this to be true.
The only spirits and ghosts around are God and the angels.
God has existed from the beginning, and He created the angels.
while you are paraphrasing this part of a song that david wrote, it still remains ONLY a song. yet you choose to beleive that when Jesus spoke of that rich man and a man NAMED Lazarus , is ONLY a Parable. and I like Oxbow dont beleive it is "just a parable". I also dont beleive like you do ,that Jesus is a liar, and doesnt mean what He says.

and I must admit that I am perplexed when Marge calls you a brother, when your belief and that of the other sda's on this forum believe that we who worship the Lord on Sundays Services have received the "mark of the beast", when that "mark" hasnt been given nor forced on anyone at this time of the Christian era.

I have never given credence to marge being very intelligent since she first popped onto this forum, but to the others on here you arent fooling anyone, and that includes Clay.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#430112 Mar 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell me where the Bible says those 27 Books are 'the Bible'?
You can't because it doesn't say it.
You're relying on the Catholic Church and her Sacred Tradition that bore forth the New Testament canon.
Then- in your foolish arrogance- you put a false title on it (sola scripture) and preceded to beat the Holy Catholic Church over the head.
This Easter Sunday, you'll be observing the day the Roman Catholic Church said to observe for Our Lords death and resurrection. Remember that.
You fools think the New Testament canon was written; passed out to the folks; and THEN the Catholic Church began.
Now I'll step aside as you fundies use the Bible from the Catholic Church to bludgeon each other with.
like the great roman catholic you are...WHEN YOU GET AGAINST THE WALL...YOU INEVITABLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT...

LIKE THE DEAF PERSON YOU ARE...YOU ALWAYS ATTEMPT TO CHOOSE THE SUBJECT THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN GAINSAY ...

LIKE THE BLIND PERSON YOU ARE,

,Mat_15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Luk_6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

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