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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Nov 08

usa

#430013 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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Preston, you misconstrue scripture SO EASILY.
The good thief didn't meet with Jesus in Heaven that day.
Jesus said, "Touch me not for I have not yet ascended unto the Father."
That was on a Sunday morning. Did that disappoint the good thief?
No. He sleeps with all other dead people until he is resurrected.
Jesus was on earth for SEVERAL WEEKS AFTER HE ROSE.
Not yet in Heaven. Isn't that plain? What part do you not understand?
"I say unto you this day, thou shalt be with me in Paradise."
Saying this day... not being this day. Your grandfather is dead. He will be until he is resurrected when Jesus comes. Whatever communicated with you who looked like granddad was an imposter.
One of Satan's crew. Get this, Preston...
http://www.what-happens-when-we-die.com/
1. Man is made from the dust of the earth and becomes a
living soul with the breath of life from God which is the spirit.
2. Fallen man is “mortal.”
3. Fallen man does not have an “immortal soul.”
4. It is not possible to communicate with the dead.
5. Death is a painless, unconscious sleep.
(No awareness of time.)
6. Jesus Christ died, was buried, and then rose from the dead.
7. Jesus Christ will resurrect believers at His Second Coming.
what happens when you die? simple all senses cease to function,your life is over you get buried or cremated,if buried your body decays away or your ashes get put in an urn or scattered.scattered is better no burden on family to take care of ashes. that's it the end. and most likely if your buried the cemetery will become a parking lot or a shopping mall will be placed on top of your remains,because once a cemetery is full can't make any more money off it,so the spot gets used to make the true god of the world happy, and that is the god of dead presidents.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430014 Mar 27, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>what Scripture can you provides that states that Paul was sick[Paul was not a fit man anymore and was burdened by sickness}. your lies are catching up with you. BTW, since you knew my name as preston, you are the sda from down south, rnt u?
and if you are inferring that the "thorn in the flesh" is some kind of sickness, you are very wrong.
I have heard commentaries from several people who said Paul was an old and tired man. I did not lie.
You still have not explained the point of a resurrection when souls are already in Heaven!!!!!

Or are you going to find someone who knows?
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430015 Mar 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
873
<quoted text>
Lu 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
See "carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom". Where is Abraham??? In Heaven where else????
Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Where is this guy??? See "in hell".
A parable? Is that the straw you think cancels all the other texts?
Are you looking forward to living in Abraham's bosom?

Howe can you take vague texts like a parable to over rule the texts below?

Psalms 13:3 "lest I sleep the SLEEP of death"

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 "them that are ASLEEP"

Dan 12:2 "them that SLEEP in the dust"

1 Colossians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many SLEEP.

KJV. 1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP ...

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.(Dan. 12:2).

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.(John 5:29).

When Jesus returns, He comes to resurrect those who SLEEP in the dust as well as those who are alive.

Psalms 13:3 "... lest I sleep the sleep of death"

1 Thess. 4:13-18 "them that are asleep"

Dan 12:2 "them that sleep in the dust"

It seems plain to me that when we die we sleep until the resurrection day.

You disagree with thes plian texts?

Abraham's bosom appeals to you more?
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#430016 Mar 27, 2013
What a coincidence!!!

Jesus did something wonderful and magical - again at the same time as another pagan festival.

A time of renewal for all pagans.

Believers in the one true God -- FSM -- don't need pagan myths and associations to fool anyone.

Happy Spring Equinox.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#430018 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have heard commentaries from several people who said Paul was an old and tired man. I did not lie.
You still have not explained the point of a resurrection when souls are already in Heaven!!!!!
Or are you going to find someone who knows?
When you find anyone "who knows" anything mystical, please show us the proof.

Until then, let's celebrate something we can all predict, verify, and depend upon religiously -- the Spring Equinox.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430019 Mar 27, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
no difference between Lazarus and my grandfather except the time. and the bible doesnt say that Lazarus didnt go to paradise or heaven, does it?
Your Granpappy was "dead" 20 minutes.
Lazarus was dead four days and was wrapped in grave clothes.

No difference? Did you say, "Come forth granddad", and he awoke?

Correct. The Bible does not say Lazarus went anywhere other than the tomb. Lazarus had no witness that he had been in Heaven either and for sure, he would have just as a child would tell everyone about a trip to Disneyland.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430020 Mar 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I have spent a life time (from the time I was 10-12 years old working
as youth leader,(AT MY HOME CHURCH) teacher,minister, pastor,youth pastor, teacher at a rehab..and still lead pastor of a Church at the age of 78...
I sure am glad that you aint GOD...EVE
N THOU YOU MUST THINK YOU ARE...
HOPE YOU ENJOY RESURRECTION DAY...(THE BIRTH DAY OF "GOD'S CHURCH UNDER GRACE"
YOU CATHOLIC MISER REFUSE TO SHARE GRACE AND ARE SELDOM GRACIOUS..IF EVER.
YOU SURLY COULD SHOW SOME OF THAT GRACE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Grace is "God's favor"--a gift that He gives to all who acknowledge His presence, believe, follow and adhere to His WORD (made flesh) Jesus Christ!. God "initially" blessed His disciples, apostles and followers with the gift of His Son Jesus and the Salvation that he offers through HIS life, death and resurrection by "favoring and gifting" His followers with His One (and only One) True Apostolic (Universal) Catholic Church.in Matthew 16:13-21...... Unfortunately, Confrinting, you and your bible only "fundies" have chosen to "REJECT" Gods Grace of Jesus Christ because when you "REJECT" (His Bride--the Church)--you are "in fact" "REJECTING" Jesus HIMSELF!!!----The FULLNESS of the Faith, the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of Gods Grace has, is and will "continue" to be manifested in Our Lords One True Catholic Church!!!
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430021 Mar 27, 2013
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Solomon wrote,“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun... Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest”(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10).

Again we read,“For the grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day”(Isaiah 38:18, 19).

Would not the righteous dead praise God if they were ushered into heaven at their death?

David repeats the same timeless truth,“The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence”(Psalm 115:17).“For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks”(Psalm 6:5).

So why are not all those who have died praising God in Heave?

Because they are not there yet!
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430022 Mar 27, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
When you find anyone "who knows" anything mystical, please show us the proof.
Until then, let's celebrate something we can all predict, verify, and depend upon religiously -- the Spring Equinox.
Yes. Let's all worship ISHTAR the godess of fertility.

Eggs, rabbits and fertility worship.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430023 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Solomon wrote,“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun... Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest”(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10).
Again we read,“For the grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day”(Isaiah 38:18, 19).
Would not the righteous dead praise God if they were ushered into heaven at their death?
David repeats the same timeless truth,“The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence”(Psalm 115:17).“For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks”(Psalm 6:5).
So why are not all those who have died praising God in Heave?
Because they are not there yet!
And you died and came back to life, so you know the truth.

Sure.

Why do you believe men?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430024 Mar 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~

YOU CATHOLIC MISER REFUSE TO SHARE GRACE AND ARE SELDOM GRACIOUS..IF EVER.
YOU SURLY COULD SHOW SOME OF THAT GRACE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
I/We, as Catholics,---- share Gods Grace with you "every day"!!! You "fundies" just "CONTINUE" to "reject" it!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430025 Mar 27, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Grace is "God's favor"--a gift that He gives to all who acknowledge His presence, believe, follow and adhere to His WORD (made flesh) Jesus Christ!.


Ah yes - qualifiers.....gotta love 'em. Especially, when man makes them up.

Sounds like you are "brown-nosing" again hojo.

Please get off of your knees.

:o)
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>God "initially" blessed His disciples, apostles and followers with the gift of His Son Jesus and the Salvation that he offers through HIS life, death and resurrection by "favoring and gifting" His followers with His One (and only One) True Apostolic (Universal) Catholic Church.
False conclusion.

a. The so-called "Church" has never beenfully defined.
b. With you not accepting many of Jesus' teachings, you have not received his fullness.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>in Matthew 16:13-21...... Unfortunately, Confrinting, you and your bible only "fundies" have chosen to "REJECT" Gods Grace of Jesus Christ because when you "REJECT" (His Bride--the Church)--you are "in fact" "REJECTING" Jesus HIMSELF!!!
Just like you do.

Welcome to Christianity - the religion which only teaches a portion of what Jesus taught.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>----The FULLNESS of the Faith, the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of Gods Grace has, is and will "continue" to be manifested in Our Lords One True Catholic Church!!!
Wrong again, there is no fullness when only a portion of information is accepted and used. One could actually call it INCOMPLETE.

So more accurately, the so-called Catholic Church is incomplete in its teaching of truth.

Live with it, as it is what it is.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#430026 Mar 27, 2013
"Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"

Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words,“I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30,“I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason.“… you, a mere man, claim to be God”(John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared,“I and the Father are one”(John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared,“I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity:“the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh”(John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us,“Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus,“My Lord and my God”(John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus,“But about the Son He says,’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

gotquestions.org

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430027 Mar 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
"Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"
Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words,“I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30,“I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason.“… you, a mere man, claim to be God”(John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared,“I and the Father are one”(John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared,“I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity:“the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh”(John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us,“Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus,“My Lord and my God”(John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus,“But about the Son He says,’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
gotquestions.org
Presupposing what nots and so forths is why you believe the way you do.

Self.

But you are right - Jesus never called himself "God", so why should you follow the course of other men and do so?

Is it because you believe men over Jesus?

BTW - we are all part of the Father....just like Jesus.

When you can realize this, is when you are on your way to astonishment.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#430028 Mar 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
And you died and came back to life, so you know the truth.
Sure.
Why do you believe men?
I have faith in my Bible which I take to be the Word of God.

You don't?

Where did I claim or infer that I died and came back. That was Preston's Grandpaw who did that, not me.

Are you upset that you now have to reconsider beliefs you have held since youth?

Scripture is replete with what happens after death.

Yet you cling to the doctrine put out by Tetzel in the dark ages to gather coin for St. Pauls and the pope by peddling worthless indulgences.
atemcowboy

Waverly, OH

#430029 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have heard commentaries from several people who said Paul was an old and tired man. I did not lie.
You still have not explained the point of a resurrection when souls are already in Heaven!!!!!
Or are you going to find someone who knows?
I AM NOT IN THE LEAST INTRESTED IN A COMMENTARY(OPINION) BY ANYONE THAT IS NOT bIBLICAL BASED ON FACTUAL SCRIPTURES.AND YOU HAVE PROVIDED NONE OF THOSE.

since those commentaires (that people like you would read)are usually based on people like you who follow false teachers in the first place. to indicate that Jesus didnt mean it when He told that malefactor that that very day,he would be in paradise with Him that very day, clearly shows that you belong to satan since he told eve that God really didnt mean what He said.

If Jesus lied about that (and He didnt) then we cant beleive Him on other things that he spoke.A Christian believes EVERYTHING that He said, which clearly shows that You are not a Christian, and I can lump gif in that mix also since he doesnt believe that people go to Heaven when they die. but his problem is that he doesnt understand, yours is completly disbelief, not misunderstanding.to clarify, I am not saying that gif is not a Chrsitian, but I AM saying that you are not, along with your sda buddy on hefe.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#430030 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I have faith in my Bible which I take to be the Word of God.
You don't?
Where did I claim or infer that I died and came back. That was Preston's Grandpaw who did that, not me.
Are you upset that you now have to reconsider beliefs you have held since youth?
Scripture is replete with what happens after death.
Yet you cling to the doctrine put out by Tetzel in the dark ages to gather coin for St. Pauls and the pope by peddling worthless indulgences.
"Where did I claim or infer that I died and came back. "
- oh TL, you didn't come right out and say it, and you know it, but it appears you have implied it with claiming you know what goes on in heaven - as with this statement:
- "Because they are not there yet!"

In fact and in truth, you do NOT know if they are or not, but instead you have chosen [Self] in truth and in fact going accepting and by utilizing what another man had stated - thus you believe it to be true, as you exclaimed it as such.

When you stop projecting your hope, you will realize that you really don't know if they are or not, and thus will clear the air as associated to this error in perception of "truth". But this requires honesty. How honest are you?

"Are you upset that you now have to reconsider beliefs you have held since youth?"
- You are clueless. You have no idea of what beliefs I have, yet claim to know my childhood?
- I haven't reconsidered my beliefs in quite sometime. Failed.
- FYI - your arrogance is beginning to show, unless you truly have a sixth sense and can see in other people's minds,a s well as, their daily and past lives. I doubt that you have this ability, thus you are lying and projecting.

More than likely, you are projecting a real life action within your own life - "indoctrinated as a youth in your belief" and now afraid to leave the religion. Religion does that to people - instills fear into them.

And since you seem to be projecting, you can only hope others feel the same as you. Unfortunate for you, this is not the case with me. I haven't been a so-called "Christian" since I decided to research the religion when I was 16 years old. I chose to seek out the truth, whereas you chose to accept what other men tell you.

"Scripture is replete with what happens after death."
- if you believe men over Jesus - sure it does.

"Yet you cling to the doctrine put out by Tetzel in the dark ages to gather coin for St. Pauls and the pope by peddling worthless indulgences."
- I do. Prove it.
- I think you are pulling at strings that you cannot see, but want to sound important.
- Please show me my beliefs - especially those "put out by Tetzel".

I'll wait.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430031 Mar 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes - qualifiers.....gotta love 'em. Especially, when man makes them up.
Sounds like you are "brown-nosing" again hojo.
Please get off of your knees.
:o)
<quoted text>
False conclusion.
a. The so-called "Church" has never beenfully defined.
b. With you not accepting many of Jesus' teachings, you have not received his fullness.
<quoted text>
Just like you do.
Welcome to Christianity - the religion which only teaches a portion of what Jesus taught.
<quoted text>
Wrong again, there is no fullness when only a portion of information is accepted and used. One could actually call it INCOMPLETE.
So more accurately, the so-called Catholic Church is incomplete in its teaching of truth.
Live with it, as it is what it is.
We as Catholics will (continue) as we always have,---for over 2000 years, adhering, believing and abiding in the TRUTH and Salvation of Jesus Christ and His One (and ONLY one) BIBLICALLY AND HISTORICALLY (PROVEN) TRUE Apostolic (Universal) Catholic Church-- "The Bride of Christ"!---You my friend, can believe and do what you want!! Makes not difference to me ANY of us Catholics --since WE ALL KNOW that we have the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the Faith in the Grace that Our Lord gave His apostles, disciples and followers in and through HIS ONE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!
atemcowboy

Waverly, OH

#430032 Mar 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
A parable? Is that the straw you think cancels all the other texts?
Are you looking forward to living in Abraham's bosom?
Howe can you take vague texts like a parable to over rule the texts below?
these comments prove that you are not a CHRISTIAN, for it is written that All Scriptures are given for reproof , correction, etc., not to disprove the actual Words of Jesus.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#430033 Mar 27, 2013
Serious religious question....

If one dies in the FULLNESS of faith...

and another person of equal character dies without this FULLNESS of faith..,.

are they treated differently by God?

In other words, what exactly does FULLNESS of faith mean?

It seems to imply a superior spiritually?

If so, how can we witness this superiority? Surely something like this should be manifested in some way, like a less violent society, or a more just society.

So what does it mean and how can we witness this FULLNESS?

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