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Since: Nov 08

usa

#429762 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"once they learn the truth about the Church, they will leave"
What truth? How Pagan Rome established Sunday as the Lords day to coincide with sun god worship??
God help anyone who pulls souls away from the Church using that 'truth'.
Sol Invictus and Jesus Christ in comparative mythology
Christ is associated with the Sun through Christmas, which occurs at the time of the Winter solstice. Many astrologers point out a connection between a many of the supposed events in the New Testament to the phenomena of the sun which makes the biblical Jesus more of a solar riddle.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429763 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
During the Roman Empire, a festival of the birth of the Unconquered Sun (or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) was celebrated on the winter solstice—the "rebirth" of the sun—which occurred on December 25 of the Julian calendar. In late antiquity, the theological centrality of the sun in some Imperial religious systems suggest a form of a “solar monotheism.” The religious commemorations on December 25 were replaced under Christian domination of the Empire with the birthday of Christ.
Clay

United States

#429764 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text> Sol Invictus and Jesus Christ in comparative mythology
Christ is associated with the Sun through Christmas, which occurs at the time of the Winter solstice. Many astrologers point out a connection between a many of the supposed events in the New Testament to the phenomena of the sun which makes the biblical Jesus more of a solar riddle.
I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.
But for the record: Christ died on a Friday and rose on Sunday. This has nothing to do with Pagan Sun gods or the Roman Empire.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429765 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>During the Roman Empire, a festival of the birth of the Unconquered Sun (or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) was celebrated on the winter solstice—the "rebirth" of the sun—which occurred on December 25 of the Julian calendar. In late antiquity, the theological centrality of the sun in some Imperial religious systems suggest a form of a “solar monotheism.” The religious commemorations on December 25 were replaced under Christian domination of the Empire with the birthday of Christ.
But let us leave the realm of conjecture and return to historical records. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that, even though the Christmas date was not made official until 354, clearly it was established long before Aurelian instituted his pagan feastday.

The conception of St. John the Baptist is the historical anchor to know the date of Christmas, based on the detailed and careful calculations on dates made by first Fathers of the Church.



The date of St. Elizabeth's conception sets the base for knowing Christ's birth
The early tractatus De solstitiia records the tradition of the Archangel Gabriel appearing to Zachariah in the High Temple when he was serving as high priest on the Day of Atonement (Lk 1:8). This placed the conception of St. John the Baptist during the feast of Tabernacles in late September, as the Archangel Gabriel said (Lk 1:28) and his birth nine months later at the time of the summer solstice.(4)

Since the Gospel of Luke states that the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary in the sixth month after John's conception (Lk 1:26), this placed the conception of Christ at about the time of the spring equinox, that is, at the time of the Jewish Passover, in late March. His birth would thus be in late December at the time of the winter solstice.

That these dates, based on Tradition and Scripture, are trustworthy is confirmed by recent evidence taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose authors were very concerned about calendar dates, essential for establishing when the Torah feasts should be celebrated. The data found in the Scrolls make it possible to know the Temple’s rotating assignment of priests during Old Testament times and show definitely that Zachariah served as a Temple priest in September, thus confirming the tradition of the Early Church.(5)

The Catholic Church determined March 25 as the date of Our Lord’s Conception long before Aurelian decided to make his solar feast. For example, around 221 AD, Sexto Julio Africano wrote the Chronographiai in which he affirmed that the Annunciation was March 25.(6) Once the date of the Incarnation was established, it was a simple matter of adding nine months to arrive at the date of Our Lord’s birth - December 25. This date would not be made official until the late fourth century, but it was established long before Aurelian and Constantine. It had nothing to do with pagan festivals.

We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. They had all the calendar sources at hand and they would not allow any untruth to be introduced in the Catholic liturgy. The date of Christ’s birth was transmitted by them as being December 25, a Sunday.

Addressing the verse of Luke 2:7, Fr Cornelius a Lapide comments on the architecture of this choice:“Christ was born Sunday, because this was the first day of the world.… Christ was born on Sunday night, in keeping with the order of His marvels, so that the day on which He said Let there be light, and there was light, was the same day on which, at night, the light shone in darkness for the upright of heart, that is, the sun of justice, Christ the Lord.”(7)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e0...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429766 Mar 26, 2013
Some mythologists, such as Brian Branston, Patricia Monaghan and Janet McCrickard, contend that sun goddesses are as common as, or even more common, worldwide than their male counterparts. They also claim that the belief that solar deities are primarily male is linked to the fact that a few better known mythologies (such as those of late classical Greece and late Roman mythology) rarely break from this rule, although closer examination of the earlier myths of those cultures reveal a very different distribution than the contemporary popular belief. The dualism of sun/male/light and moon/female/darkness is found in many (but not all) late southern traditions in Europe that derive from Orphic and Gnostic philosophies....JETHRO:from what i am finding just about every culture at one time or another worshiped the sun as a god....SEE HOJO,this what happens when you open a history book you LEARN,try it some time
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429767 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.
But for the record: Christ died on a Friday and rose on Sunday. This has nothing to do with Pagan Sun gods or the Roman Empire.
1... we are not sure.

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Jes...

2... According the writings by your own church fathers (patristic fathers), the day was not set by all Christian sects until it was decreed by Constantine.

3... Ask your Parrish Priest if you care about the truth. Otherwise,-- read your own words -- "I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what."

Why post buffoonery? Don't you see enough of that being posted in error? Why add to it?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429768 Mar 26, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
That explains why I believed there was a God since I was 3.
Jethro, It's a choice we must make to accept, or reject Him .
tell me how you knew at 3 yrs. old??
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429769 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
716
<quoted text>
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?

I disagree.

What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429770 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
KEY TO GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM WORSHIPING THE CREATOR

We see all through Biblical history that one of the key elements in weaning a loyal people away from their loyalties to the true
God is by infiltration. Sun worship first infiltrated Israel, it became mixed with their true worship, until finally they were carried
away into midst of Babylon itself.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429771 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"once they learn the truth about the Church, they will leave"
What truth? How Pagan Rome established Sunday as the Lords day to coincide with sun god worship??
God help anyone who pulls souls away from the Church using that 'truth'.
THE FALSE PROPHETS WOULD LEAD US STRAIGHT INTO SUN WORSHIP--

The third angel's message cries with a loud voice to return to the worship of the Creator God, who made the heaven's and the
earth and the sea. Why would the last warning message focus on this aspect of God? Why the emphasis on His Creative
power? Could it be because sun worship, has invaded Christianity in a clever disguise and usurped the true worship of God
the Creator.

For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested upon the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
Remember the Sabbath day!

Sun day - is the venerable day of the sun.

The edict of Constantine, in A.D. 321, was NOT the first time the week of seven day week with it's recurring day of the Sun
recognized. Two hundred years earlier we already see a Christian teacher trying to impress a Roman emperor by telling him
Christians worship on the "day of the sun".

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429772 Mar 26, 2013
nap time be back later.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429773 Mar 26, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
But let us leave the realm of conjecture and return to historical records. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that, even though the Christmas date was not made official until 354, clearly it was established long before Aurelian instituted his pagan feastday.
The conception of St. John the Baptist is the historical anchor to know the date of Christmas, based on the detailed and careful calculations on dates made by first Fathers of the Church.
The date of St. Elizabeth's conception sets the base for knowing Christ's birth
The early tractatus De solstitiia records the tradition of the Archangel Gabriel appearing to Zachariah in the High Temple when he was serving as high priest on the Day of Atonement (Lk 1:8). This placed the conception of St. John the Baptist during the feast of Tabernacles in late September, as the Archangel Gabriel said (Lk 1:28) and his birth nine months later at the time of the summer solstice.(4)
Since the Gospel of Luke states that the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary in the sixth month after John's conception (Lk 1:26), this placed the conception of Christ at about the time of the spring equinox, that is, at the time of the Jewish Passover, in late March. His birth would thus be in late December at the time of the winter solstice.
That these dates, based on Tradition and Scripture, are trustworthy is confirmed by recent evidence taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose authors were very concerned about calendar dates, essential for establishing when the Torah feasts should be celebrated. The data found in the Scrolls make it possible to know the Temple’s rotating assignment of priests during Old Testament times and show definitely that Zachariah served as a Temple priest in September, thus confirming the tradition of the Early Church.(5)
The Catholic Church determined March 25 as the date of Our Lord’s Conception long before Aurelian decided to make his solar feast. For example, around 221 AD, Sexto Julio Africano wrote the Chronographiai in which he affirmed that the Annunciation was March 25.(6) Once the date of the Incarnation was established, it was a simple matter of adding nine months to arrive at the date of Our Lord’s birth - December 25. This date would not be made official until the late fourth century, but it was established long before Aurelian and Constantine. It had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. They had all the calendar sources at hand and they would not allow any untruth to be introduced in the Catholic liturgy. The date of Christ’s birth was transmitted by them as being December 25, a Sunday.
Addressing the verse of Luke 2:7, Fr Cornelius a Lapide comments on the architecture of this choice:“Christ was born Sunday, because this was the first day of the world.… Christ was born on Sunday night, in keeping with the order of His marvels, so that the day on which He said Let there be light, and there was light, was the same day on which, at night, the light shone in darkness for the upright of heart, that is, the sun of justice, Christ the Lord.”(7)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e0...
More RCC cut & paste -- full of mysticism, opinion, and factual errors -- from the same people who tell us that the decades-long, worldwide abuse cover-up never happened.

There's an entire industry that is paid to provide various denominations with "proof."

But that "proof" is outdated, because even Pope Benedict wrote that the 12/25 date is surely incorrect.

Remember Pope Benedict?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429774 Mar 26, 2013
Catholics here need to be reprogrammed.

"Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth"

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-bene...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429776 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
quick note,peter has nothing to do with the catholic church.he was not the first pope as the church likes people to think.show me in scripture where he is called pope? the papacy is a myth created by the church.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429777 Mar 26, 2013
Clay,

I was listening to Scott Hahn recently and before he was a Catholic he said he hadn't read Catholic perspectives. In all his schooling he had never felt the need. He always went to libraries to gather every book he could to fight against Catholics. He found this raggedy old book one day. He started to read it. He said it was the most profound book he had ever read. It was so clear and pristine.

He started to share it with his Protestant friends. They were all blown away at the wisdom of this man immersed in scripture and knowledge. They all asked, Who is this guy? We need to read more from him. Scott Hahn said I dont know probably a reformed anything but a Catholic. It never even occured to him that a Catholic could be the author.

Then one day a guy came in with a guy in time Magazine. The author of that book. They said well that cant be this guy he is a Catholic. So they dismissed it as the same guy. Meanwhile he found some other books. They continued to be amamazed at the wisdom and knowledge of this man who was bringing scripture and Christ to life like they had never known before.

That man was Joseph Ratzinger. His colleagues who were all militant anti-catholics were stunned. He had to meet this man the media was calling the Grand Inqusitor, the panther, the feared master and all kinds of other negative connotations assigned to him. What he found was the most humble man he had ever met and with knowledge of scripture that surpassed anyone he had known. He found him in the bookshelves. He devoted an entire day speaking to a Protestant and answering all of his questions and leaving him more and a burning desire to learn more about God.

He was not long ago invited by the largest Baptist bible in the country to speak on the writings of Joseph Ratzinger. He said he knows what they are expecting, but its not what they will get.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429778 Mar 26, 2013
The "one true" church has a problem.

2000 years of history -- that no one ever imagined could one day be so well cataloged, accessed, and studied.

Suddenly, long-time claims are easily refuted, not only by independent sources, but also by finding and comparing the exact words and writings of Popes and Councils.

No one true church would ever have a reason to fear the truth -- or to blame others for their own ills.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#429779 Mar 26, 2013
who="Free Mind"
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?
I disagree.
What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.

__________
Read a little better. The scripture was talking about FOOLS, not Jefferson, Franklin or Lincoln.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429780 Mar 26, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
More RCC cut & paste -- full of mysticism, opinion, and factual errors -- from the same people who tell us that the decades-long, worldwide abuse cover-up never happened.
There's an entire industry that is paid to provide various denominations with "proof."
But that "proof" is outdated, because even Pope Benedict wrote that the 12/25 date is surely incorrect.
Remember Pope Benedict?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not worthy of a reply, but in line with the usual foolishness and childs play of someone who has little to offer in terms of truth or anything but abuse rather than the teachings of the church. Yes Joseph Ratzinger did write on the subject, but the point at hand is was it changed because of paganism. The answer is clearly no. It had nothing to do with it. Catholics are not afraid of it. He was talking about how the dates were determined. The exact date is more important to you than it is theologians or believers. What is noted is that Christians celebrated it before Constantine. So your premise and feeble attempt to put up a strawman that you can rip down of your own makings is nothing but your usual emptry ramblings. But thanks. I will chalk it up to another day of willful ignorance on your part.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#429781 Mar 26, 2013
BTW: Our forefathers came here to escape those 'other cultures' that were stealing from them, torturing and killing them, because that is what those cultures do.

Our proud liberals are returning us to the power of those same cultures, and we must remember that history repeats itself. We are in great danger.

Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429782 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>THE FALSE PROPHETS WOULD LEAD US STRAIGHT INTO SUN WORSHIP--
The third angel's message cries with a loud voice to return to the worship of the Creator God, who made the heaven's and the
earth and the sea. Why would the last warning message focus on this aspect of God? Why the emphasis on His Creative
power? Could it be because sun worship, has invaded Christianity in a clever disguise and usurped the true worship of God
the Creator.
For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested upon the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
Remember the Sabbath day!
Sun day - is the venerable day of the sun.
The edict of Constantine, in A.D. 321, was NOT the first time the week of seven day week with it's recurring day of the Sun
recognized. Two hundred years earlier we already see a Christian teacher trying to impress a Roman emperor by telling him
Christians worship on the "day of the sun".
Don't confuse them with facts.

Even a former Pope says Jesus wasn't born on or about 12/25.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-bene...

Can Catholics get their money back on all the books by Catholic organizations -- that "prove" that Jesus was born on 12/25?

I know a Bigfoot who was born on that date. Maybe the RCC can just change Jesus' name to Bigfoot?

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