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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590373 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429784 Mar 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Free Mind"
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?
I disagree.
What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.
__________
Read a little better. The scripture was talking about FOOLS, not Jefferson, Franklin or Lincoln.
How did that verse define a fool? Please site verse. Thanks.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429785 Mar 26, 2013
In the 1st centuries, the first day, being made a festival in honor of Christ's resurrection, received attention as a day of religious services and recreation, but seventh-day Sabbath rest was still observed by "almost all churches". According to classical sources, widespread seventh-day Sabbath rest by Gentile Christians was also the prevailing mode in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

Various Christian sects were feuding and in some cases, killing each other.

Constantine wanted agreement. He also wanted a less Jewish religion, as the Jewish revolt was still remembered as the most costly uprising the empire had ever faced.

This was made clear by his own writings. How many Catholics have actually read Constantine's own words and only accept what they are told to accept?
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429786 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Hahn last summer. It was just the two of us for about 15 min before he went up to speak.(no one else knew that was the guy they were coming to hear) lol.
He articulates the Catholic perspective on the Book of Revelation like no other.
To hear his conversion story still amazes me every time. He actually had to work at investigative research because there was no internet in 1986.
I especially like his testimonial about seeking notable Protestant theologians to 'save' him from converting to Catholicism. When they finished combing through the Catholic teachings on the issues, the Protestant Ministers all converted...except him, because he promised his wife he'd wait 4 yrs at least.
I have only heard bits and pieces, but I will have to look at his conversion story. Everytime I have heard him speak I have really enjoyed it. However the story I displayed to you reminds me alot of this thread. By mistake they were reading a Catholic with an open mind only when they discover that what was being said was Catholic then they went into overdrive to dismiss it, but couldnt and remain truthful about what had been revealed to them. Interesting.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#429788 Mar 26, 2013
Cathy the Catholic says: let's be 'good catholics' and worship our new pope, even tho we don't know him from adam!:-)
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429789 Mar 26, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Not worthy of a reply, but in line with the usual foolishness and childs play of someone who has little to offer in terms of truth or anything but abuse rather than the teachings of the church. Yes Joseph Ratzinger did write on the subject, but the point at hand is was it changed because of paganism. The answer is clearly no. It had nothing to do with it. Catholics are not afraid of it. He was talking about how the dates were determined. The exact date is more important to you than it is theologians or believers. What is noted is that Christians celebrated it before Constantine. So your premise and feeble attempt to put up a strawman that you can rip down of your own makings is nothing but your usual emptry ramblings. But thanks. I will chalk it up to another day of willful ignorance on your part.
So why did Pope Benedict even bother writing his book?

Why did Constantine feel he had to unite his Christians under one date, if they were all in so much agreement?

Have you ever read Constantine's own words on the topic?

Some "ignorance" on my part maybe, but any on yours?

When you seek only information that proclaims only what you want to believe, how can you correct a factual error?

You cannot. Your sources are limited and your mind does not process information that doesn't conform to your cherished beliefs. Your outlet is to call others names and proclaim their ignorance.

You speak only truth, and the Easter Bunny will be here soon.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429790 Mar 26, 2013
751
confrinting with the word wrote:
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>It's hard to believe in something that you can't prove absolutely undeniably exists. we are taught Santa Claus exists,and now this coming Sunday a rabbit named peter is going to hop down a bunny trail and deliver Easter eggs is that true?
OXBOW WROTE..
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
~~~~
Confronting writes
The world has attempted to replace worship with ritual...
The flesh glories in pomp pride and public Pharisaical display.
The Devil works to duplicate and
R'AFF, n.
1. The sweepings of society; the rabble; the mob. This is used chiefly in the compound or duplicate, riff-raff.
2.Turn the work/word of God into ...
A promiscuous heap or collection; A jumble, of
confusion and corruption.
Thus the events that are of so greater value and importance in Christianity have been prostituted.
Nom enipe ifeferi dixeyov leli tisi, eteyalun rebasod rip oba erosi ya aromerag riedes adehit go. Uparayu seriteg rolirar cih ser li. Netesus nor irep egah epe aror lunota. Cit rusose dare pogeho ireladot? Ibe lacuce ceh cituse: Tadebied heteb ayasa hop yelie demepo cir, hibeset mot me! Xeneses re yuqot muqem yieg jemic lisago yapi caci! Alonies wol mut teti dat timu pi votog. Lipel seso toma? Erogay sotires totabe ibet te ka hi afir sisadag! Memesa oyunopen behetam tacir sarif enero. Osicosie nimo nedi rir siewe. Odemu iha itenah tiexiw tos cerefun lif. Recodot sico ifemes geh.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#429791 Mar 26, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
The Gay Catholic Mafia...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-ne...
Did Jesus really screw this badly?
Or is the RCC BUSTED yet?
It can not be both.
OUCH!!

Look for a report from the RCC that shows this outpsoken priest will be ex-communicated for speaking out against the RCC's and its immediate problems.

Looks like the door is now open wide. I wonder if anyone will volunteerly walk through it.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#429792 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Now you have confused me. How can you do both??? Keep the law AND break the law?????
He can, and will, issue a ticket, or jail you for speeding at 100mph..
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. That's the standard line motorists hear when they say they weren't aware of the speed limit, or gun owners hear when they say didn't know about the gun laws in the jurisdiction they happened to get arrested in.
If we love God, we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS but when we fail WE HAVE GRACE.
There does that make it plain?

Or is that too hard for you?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#429793 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
716
<quoted text>
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
A "fool" would only repeat that passage for his own comfort and not through honesty.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#429794 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
731
<quoted text>
I am not talking about God's capabilities!!!!
Good....because you nor any man has the capacity to understand them.

But know this - I'll be watching your posts, just to see if you test that ground.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#429795 Mar 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
since Jesus and His teachings/Word are One and the Same and since Jesus literally lives in His Body of Believers through His Spirit, your words make no sense what-so-ever.
you can't beat this thang, new ager, so you might as well join it/us;)
It's okay waaasssuuup - I'm not here to "beat" or "win" at anything. I've already won.

But you have solidified my point that you would rather disregard teachings by Jesus, and still think you have all the information.

We'll agree to disagree.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#429796 Mar 26, 2013
marge wrote:
Hey T is that you? How are you and yours, I liked when you talked about your family and country.
You make the point where there is no law there is no sin,
Do you agree then that Sin points to death?
Hi Marge, you guessed correctly. Yes, sin points to death but Jesus made it so we can be redeemed from that death. The gates of hell (the grave) shall not prevail against those who take part in the first resurrection.

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.—1st Corinthians 15:51-52 (ESV)

All changed in one moment when we are awoken from that sleep on Resurrection day. THEN we put on immortality (imperishable).
Love to you Marge.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429797 Mar 26, 2013
758
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Col_3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
One of us must be on the wrong forum...
Oxbow wrote:
660
<quoted text>
Greek is not necessarily Greek!!!!
The definition of the Greek word from which "wish" was translated us: by implication, to pray to God:--pray, will, wish.
If you apply "pray to God", that still is no guarantee...for Divine reasons, God does not always give us what we pray for...
Since "wish" is also a definition of the Greek word from which wish was translated, this definition is also applicable: A desire, longing, or strong inclination for a specific thing.
A desire, longing, or strong inclination, is no guarantee....

----------
Give you three guesses as to which one is off in left field!!!!!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#429798 Mar 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
It's okay waaasssuuup - I'm not here to "beat" or "win" at anything. I've already won.
But you have solidified my point that you would rather disregard teachings by Jesus, and still think you have all the information.
We'll agree to disagree.
okay sure - and if you're ever ready to repent of your new age mysticism and get born-again, you'll know where to find me:-)
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429799 Mar 26, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are the words "Roman Catholic Church" in the Bible? Where is the word you so love, "transubstantiation" in the Bible? Where is the word "pope" in the Bible? Where is the word, "nun", in the Bible? Where are the words,"Holy Communion" in the Bible? Where are the words, "infant baptism" in the Bible? This is a short list of what you lay claim to.
Your Roman Catholic church is nothing more than a Babylonian hoax and perversion. Your "faith" as you call it is nothing more than a mix of every pagan religion in the Roman Empire at the time of Constantine.
Also, where is the word, "lent", in the Bible? HA, HA!!!
NOWHERE--and I/we as Catholics "never claim" that every word must be in the bible in order for it to be true. It is "YOU FUNDIES" that claim (everything) MUST BE IN THE BIBLE---or it is NOT true!!
Show us Catholics, "where it says---in the bible" (BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE) that every word, every sentence, every phrase, MUST be in the bible in order for it to be true. Furthermore--show us Catholics, in the bible (book chapter and verse) that God chose to transmit His divine, infallible word ONLY IN THE BIBLE!!-----NOWHERE!!!---and why??? Because Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church (came first) "over 350 years before the Canon of Scripture was even put together, by the Early Church Fathers, in 382,393 and 397 AD.----AND---that is why Paul (in I Timothy 3:15, calls the CHURCH (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. It was the CAtholic Church that gave you bible only (fundies) the bible of which you quote (or better yet misquote,--- interpret (or better yet mis-interpret) to your OWN DEMISE AND DESTRUCTION!!
Clay

United States

#429800 Mar 26, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I have only heard bits and pieces, but I will have to look at his conversion story. Everytime I have heard him speak I have really enjoyed it. However the story I displayed to you reminds me alot of this thread. By mistake they were reading a Catholic with an open mind only when they discover that what was being said was Catholic then they went into overdrive to dismiss it, but couldnt and remain truthful about what had been revealed to them. Interesting.
You're right DS. Once they saw "Saint Ignatius Press" on the back, they squirmed in their seat and put the ear muffs on. I mentioned one occasions just before he converted where this particular group all converted as a result of extensive study with an open mind. Unfortunately, most stories are like you pointed out. They were engaged in reading something brilliant about scripture, once they realized it was Catholic, they threw it away. That about sums up this forum.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#429801 Mar 26, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
But let us leave the realm of conjecture and return to historical records. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that, even though the Christmas date was not made official untilfourth century, but it was established long before Aurelian and Constantine. It had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. They had all the calendar sources at hand and they would not allow any untruth to be introduced in the Catholic liturgy. The date of Christ’s birth was transmitted by them as being December 25, a Sunday.
Addressing the verse of Luke 2:7, Fr Cornelius a Lapide comments on the architecture of this choice:“Christ was born Sunday, because this was the first day of the world.… Christ was born on Sunday night, in keeping with the order of His marvels, so that the day on which He said Let there be light, and there was light, was the same day on which, at night, the light shone in darkness for the upright of heart, that is, the sun of justice, Christ the Lord.”(7)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e0...
.......We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

....Michael says...... it was what 180 AD before Ireneous first received the gospels long after all the apostles had died. The first 2 centuries christian groups never believed in a human Jesus but a spirit only. They had no dates of birth because they didn't claim he ever existed in human form.

....One hundred and fifty years after the time for Jesus' death we find the first mention of a gospel in an Apostle's name. That to me is simply amazing. Up to now we have analyzed every important early Christian Father and we saw without a doubt that all references to "sayings" or "passages" construed as coming from a possible existing gospel in their day was nothing more than "remembering" of an oral tradition. Each account showed that any and all references to anything even remotely similar to passages in our New Testaments today comes from memory of an circulating oral tradition and nothing more!

...... No other Pope, Bishop or Father (until Irenaeus), for nearly a century after "Pope Clement," ever mentions or quotes a Gospel, or names Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. So for a century and a half-until the books bobbed up in the hands (out of nowhere!) of Bishop St. Irenaeus and were tagged as "Gospels according to" this or that Apostle, there exists not a word of them in all the tiresome tomes of the Fathers. It is humanly and divinely impossible that the "Apostolic authorship" and hence "canonicity" or divine inspiration of these Sacred Four should have remained, for a century and a half, unknown and unsuspected by every Church, Father, Pope and Bishop of Christendom-if existent.

BUSTED!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#429802 Mar 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
okay sure - and if you're ever ready to repent of your new age mysticism and get born-again, you'll know where to find me:-)
There is nothing to repent.

Unless you are encouraging me to rebuke Jesus?

If so, then you aren't anyone I should be discussing this with and you really don't know what you are talking about.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429803 Mar 26, 2013
792
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
If we love God, we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS but when we fail WE HAVE GRACE.
There does that make it plain?
Or is that too hard for you?
You first said: He died to provide us miraculous divine grace to empower us to keep the law.

That is saying that once so empowered we keep the law. To keep the law means we don't sin.

Now you say: If we love God, we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS but when we fail WE HAVE GRACE.

This means, because we love God, not because we are empowered to keep the law, we keep His Commandments, which means we don't sin. To fail in keeping His Commansments is to sin.

And all this time I have believed that when we sin, confess and repent, we got forgiveness!!!! Now I know that is not so...we get grace!!!

Thanks for your guidance!!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429804 Mar 26, 2013
793
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
A "fool" would only repeat that passage for his own comfort and not through honesty.
If I had any idea what you are trying to articulate, I would respond...

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