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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#429751 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>It's hard to believe in something that you can't prove absolutely undeniably exists. we are taught Santa Claus exists,and now this coming Sunday a rabbit named peter is going to hop down a bunny trail and deliver Easter eggs is that true?

OXBOW WROTE..
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

~~~~

Confronting writes

The world has attempted to replace worship with ritual...

The flesh glories in pomp pride and public Pharisaical display.

The Devil works to duplicate and

R'AFF, n.

1. The sweepings of society; the rabble; the mob. This is used chiefly in the compound or duplicate, riff-raff.

2.Turn the work/word of God into ...

A promiscuous heap or collection; A jumble, of

confusion and corruption.

Thus the events that are of so greater value and importance in Christianity have been prostituted.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429752 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"once they learn the truth about the Church, they will leave"
What truth? How Pagan Rome established Sunday as the Lords day to coincide with sun god worship??
God help anyone who pulls souls away from the Church using that 'truth'.
Jetrhos truth. lol I have never seen a guy so unbalanced in his approach to reasoning. His statements of slavery are completely clueless and absent. These people look for articles of what they want to hear then say Amen. Some of the greatest Catholics Saints of the church were Africans. Anyone who posts hogwash that the church condoned slavery based on race is devoid of any truth. All forms of slavery were condemned before the USA was formed. The Fathers wrote extensively on slavery. Meanwhile Protestants were quoting Ham shall serve Japeth bible alone theology to justify enslaving the black race.

As for Constantine who changed it the biblical, historical reality of that makes it total nonsense. Ellen White and Dan Brown in his fiction piece make some very wild claims. This is the problem with relative truths. Everyone is right. They say we are fully capable of making our own choices on what the bible says. We have no authority but that which we choose to believe and God oks it all. There are no false teachers with this methodology. Clearly that is what the Apostles had in mind. ABSURD!

Ellen Whites booklet (Numbers add up to 666) states that the observance of Sunday was mandated by Emperor Constantine in 321 A.D.(referring indirectly to the Edict of Laodicea). It claims that this mandate was forced upon the people; however, that statement is not exactly true. Perhaps this edict was imposed upon pagan business men who thought everyday should be a working day and perhaps those who thought Christians must observe the entire Law of Moses, including circumcision (Gal. 5:6-12; 6:12-16; 1 Cor. 7:18-19). This Edict only made Sunday a civil holiday. By doing so it secularized a practice that was already observed for centuries by Christians. As shown above, this ancient practice is witnessed by the Bible and in the writings of the Apostles, St. Barnabas (c. 100 A.D.), St. Ignatius (107 A.D.), also St. Justin Martyr (c.150 A.D.) and St. Irenaeus (155-202 A.D.).
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429753 Mar 26, 2013
The Didache

"But every Lord’s day ... gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr

"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart....[H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts?... God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers ..." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429754 Mar 26, 2013
Tertullian

"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day ... teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges?... Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4].... Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia

"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen

"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

Victorinus

"The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom.... On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews ... which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429755 Mar 26, 2013
Eusebius of Caesarea

"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light ... was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

Athanasius

"The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation" (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem

"Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429756 Mar 26, 2013
Council of Laodicea

"Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians" (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

John Chrysostom

"[W]hen he [God] said,‘You shall not kill’... he did not add,‘because murder is a wicked thing.’ The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath—‘On the seventh day you shall do no work’—he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this?‘Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make’[Ex. 20:10-11].... For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following:‘You shall not kill.... You shall not commit adultery.... You shall not steal.’ On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition" (Homilies on the Statutes 12:9 [A.D. 387]).

"You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews?" (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#429757 Mar 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
And all the while - leaving Jesus' teaching bured in the desert.
I understand.
since Jesus and His teachings/Word are One and the Same and since Jesus literally lives in His Body of Believers through His Spirit, your words make no sense what-so-ever.

you can't beat this thang, new ager, so you might as well join it/us;)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#429758 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
731
<quoted text>
I am not talking about God's capabilities!!!!
~~~

Col_3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

One of us must be on the wrong forum...
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429759 Mar 26, 2013
"The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath" (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402]).

The Apostolic Constitutions

"And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day ... in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food" (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).

Augustine

"Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian.... Which of these commandments would anyone say that the Christian ought not to keep? It is possible to contend that it is not the law which was written on those two tables that the apostle [Paul] describes as ‘the letter that kills’[2 Cor. 3:6], but the law of circumcision and the other sacred rites which are now abolished" (The Spirit and the Letter 24 [A.D. 412]).
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429760 Mar 26, 2013
Pope Gregory I

"It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet,‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’[Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him:‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’[Gal. 5:2]" (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597]).

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/sabbath-or-sun...
Clay

United States

#429761 Mar 26, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are the words "Roman Catholic Church" in the Bible? Where is the word you so love, "transubstantiation" in the Bible? Where is the word "pope" in the Bible? Where is the word, "nun", in the Bible? Where are the words,"Holy Communion" in the Bible? Where are the words, "infant baptism" in the Bible? This is a short list of what you lay claim to.
Your Roman Catholic church is nothing more than a Babylonian hoax and perversion. Your "faith" as you call it is nothing more than a mix of every pagan religion in the Roman Empire at the time of Constantine.
Also, where is the word, "lent", in the Bible? HA, HA!!!
Ah the ignorant self proclaimed deacon came back to spew more lies. lol.
I'll tell you what Deacon, you show us where Christ instituted the Bible as his sole source of authority on His Ministry, then you can come at us with 'where in the Bible is pope where in the Bible is catholic where in the Bible is infant baptism where in the Bible is holy communion. Bible Bible Bible'

Say, who's Bible you using anyway? Where does it tell you to be reading it like that?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429762 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"once they learn the truth about the Church, they will leave"
What truth? How Pagan Rome established Sunday as the Lords day to coincide with sun god worship??
God help anyone who pulls souls away from the Church using that 'truth'.
Sol Invictus and Jesus Christ in comparative mythology
Christ is associated with the Sun through Christmas, which occurs at the time of the Winter solstice. Many astrologers point out a connection between a many of the supposed events in the New Testament to the phenomena of the sun which makes the biblical Jesus more of a solar riddle.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429763 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
During the Roman Empire, a festival of the birth of the Unconquered Sun (or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) was celebrated on the winter solstice—the "rebirth" of the sun—which occurred on December 25 of the Julian calendar. In late antiquity, the theological centrality of the sun in some Imperial religious systems suggest a form of a “solar monotheism.” The religious commemorations on December 25 were replaced under Christian domination of the Empire with the birthday of Christ.
Clay

United States

#429764 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text> Sol Invictus and Jesus Christ in comparative mythology
Christ is associated with the Sun through Christmas, which occurs at the time of the Winter solstice. Many astrologers point out a connection between a many of the supposed events in the New Testament to the phenomena of the sun which makes the biblical Jesus more of a solar riddle.
I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.
But for the record: Christ died on a Friday and rose on Sunday. This has nothing to do with Pagan Sun gods or the Roman Empire.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429765 Mar 26, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>During the Roman Empire, a festival of the birth of the Unconquered Sun (or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) was celebrated on the winter solstice—the "rebirth" of the sun—which occurred on December 25 of the Julian calendar. In late antiquity, the theological centrality of the sun in some Imperial religious systems suggest a form of a “solar monotheism.” The religious commemorations on December 25 were replaced under Christian domination of the Empire with the birthday of Christ.
But let us leave the realm of conjecture and return to historical records. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that, even though the Christmas date was not made official until 354, clearly it was established long before Aurelian instituted his pagan feastday.

The conception of St. John the Baptist is the historical anchor to know the date of Christmas, based on the detailed and careful calculations on dates made by first Fathers of the Church.



The date of St. Elizabeth's conception sets the base for knowing Christ's birth
The early tractatus De solstitiia records the tradition of the Archangel Gabriel appearing to Zachariah in the High Temple when he was serving as high priest on the Day of Atonement (Lk 1:8). This placed the conception of St. John the Baptist during the feast of Tabernacles in late September, as the Archangel Gabriel said (Lk 1:28) and his birth nine months later at the time of the summer solstice.(4)

Since the Gospel of Luke states that the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary in the sixth month after John's conception (Lk 1:26), this placed the conception of Christ at about the time of the spring equinox, that is, at the time of the Jewish Passover, in late March. His birth would thus be in late December at the time of the winter solstice.

That these dates, based on Tradition and Scripture, are trustworthy is confirmed by recent evidence taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose authors were very concerned about calendar dates, essential for establishing when the Torah feasts should be celebrated. The data found in the Scrolls make it possible to know the Temple’s rotating assignment of priests during Old Testament times and show definitely that Zachariah served as a Temple priest in September, thus confirming the tradition of the Early Church.(5)

The Catholic Church determined March 25 as the date of Our Lord’s Conception long before Aurelian decided to make his solar feast. For example, around 221 AD, Sexto Julio Africano wrote the Chronographiai in which he affirmed that the Annunciation was March 25.(6) Once the date of the Incarnation was established, it was a simple matter of adding nine months to arrive at the date of Our Lord’s birth - December 25. This date would not be made official until the late fourth century, but it was established long before Aurelian and Constantine. It had nothing to do with pagan festivals.

We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. They had all the calendar sources at hand and they would not allow any untruth to be introduced in the Catholic liturgy. The date of Christ’s birth was transmitted by them as being December 25, a Sunday.

Addressing the verse of Luke 2:7, Fr Cornelius a Lapide comments on the architecture of this choice:“Christ was born Sunday, because this was the first day of the world.… Christ was born on Sunday night, in keeping with the order of His marvels, so that the day on which He said Let there be light, and there was light, was the same day on which, at night, the light shone in darkness for the upright of heart, that is, the sun of justice, Christ the Lord.”(7)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e0...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429766 Mar 26, 2013
Some mythologists, such as Brian Branston, Patricia Monaghan and Janet McCrickard, contend that sun goddesses are as common as, or even more common, worldwide than their male counterparts. They also claim that the belief that solar deities are primarily male is linked to the fact that a few better known mythologies (such as those of late classical Greece and late Roman mythology) rarely break from this rule, although closer examination of the earlier myths of those cultures reveal a very different distribution than the contemporary popular belief. The dualism of sun/male/light and moon/female/darkness is found in many (but not all) late southern traditions in Europe that derive from Orphic and Gnostic philosophies....JETHRO:from what i am finding just about every culture at one time or another worshiped the sun as a god....SEE HOJO,this what happens when you open a history book you LEARN,try it some time
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429767 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.
But for the record: Christ died on a Friday and rose on Sunday. This has nothing to do with Pagan Sun gods or the Roman Empire.
1... we are not sure.

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Jes...

2... According the writings by your own church fathers (patristic fathers), the day was not set by all Christian sects until it was decreed by Constantine.

3... Ask your Parrish Priest if you care about the truth. Otherwise,-- read your own words -- "I get the impression you're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what."

Why post buffoonery? Don't you see enough of that being posted in error? Why add to it?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429768 Mar 26, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
That explains why I believed there was a God since I was 3.
Jethro, It's a choice we must make to accept, or reject Him .
tell me how you knew at 3 yrs. old??
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429769 Mar 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
716
<quoted text>
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?

I disagree.

What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429770 Mar 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
KEY TO GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM WORSHIPING THE CREATOR

We see all through Biblical history that one of the key elements in weaning a loyal people away from their loyalties to the true
God is by infiltration. Sun worship first infiltrated Israel, it became mixed with their true worship, until finally they were carried
away into midst of Babylon itself.

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