Oh my!! Dust Storm's history does not jive with yours either.<quoted text>
.......We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
....Michael says...... it was what 180 AD before Ireneous first received the gospels long after all the apostles had died. The first 2 centuries christian groups never believed in a human Jesus but a spirit only. They had no dates of birth because they didn't claim he ever existed in human form.
....One hundred and fifty years after the time for Jesus' death we find the first mention of a gospel in an Apostle's name. That to me is simply amazing. Up to now we have analyzed every important early Christian Father and we saw without a doubt that all references to "sayings" or "passages" construed as coming from a possible existing gospel in their day was nothing more than "remembering" of an oral tradition. Each account showed that any and all references to anything even remotely similar to passages in our New Testaments today comes from memory of an circulating oral tradition and nothing more!
...... No other Pope, Bishop or Father (until Irenaeus), for nearly a century after "Pope Clement," ever mentions or quotes a Gospel, or names Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. So for a century and a half-until the books bobbed up in the hands (out of nowhere!) of Bishop St. Irenaeus and were tagged as "Gospels according to" this or that Apostle, there exists not a word of them in all the tiresome tomes of the Fathers. It is humanly and divinely impossible that the "Apostolic authorship" and hence "canonicity" or divine inspiration of these Sacred Four should have remained, for a century and a half, unknown and unsuspected by every Church, Father, Pope and Bishop of Christendom-if existent.
Dust Storm wrote (exact words)... "We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ."
Yet Dust Storm calls me "ignorant" -- and in the process former Pope Benedict "ignorant" as well -- because I sited the former Pope's book as evidence against Dust Storm's claim.
In summary according to Dust Storm....
Wise = Dust Storm, man of certainty.
Ignorant = former Pope Benedict, Michael, and Free Mind
Dust Storm, please forgive us, but why throw your old Pope under the bus?