Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Beware, the Catholic KoC are probably watching you right now.
yummy....their chicken is finger lickin good.
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People who don't know the meaning of words are always confused....
Agreed. Better to change the meanings to fit your view of the universe.

That way, you are always assured of having all the answers.

I'm still curious. How do you know these "true meanings," when the Jews who wrote and harbored the OT for a couple thousand years didn't have a clue as to what it really meant?

I find that amazing.

And you know all this, even with known faulty translations, while correcting others are able to read the books in the original language.

What a mental giant this poster must be! While scholars worldwide continue this debate for the ages, an anonymous guru on Topix has it down pat - a sure thing!!!
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<quoted text>Very seldom have I brought attention to the issue of sexual abuse and the Catholic Church. However I am not oblivious either to the scale of the sexual abuse and the cover up that continues in the Catholic Church. Deflect attention as you must onto the Orthodox or whomever.If this is your means of solution to a problem that your church has that is universally recognized as large scale- more so the cover up and the continuing thriving of those that covered up-then fine. We will follow this abuse into the next 20 years as well. As for the Orthodox, as someone who as spent his life preventing and protecting sex abuse victims I have no need to deny, minimize, or deflect. If one child is abused it is a travesty.I am not looking at other churches to defend my own.
Lets stop the roundy rounders and all admit the Catholic Church has yest to settle this and , not condemn but help the Church to reconcile this. Giod Bless your new Pope. May God Through this fine man bring a conclusion to this.
Very well said...

"If one child is abused it is a travesty. I am not looking at other churches to defend my own."

Something else to consider .... how petty and absurd is that excuse-making from the actual ethics and morals that Jesus taught?
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Correction...

Something else to consider .... how FAR AWAY IS THAT petty and absurd excuse-making from the actual ethics and morals that Jesus taught?

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No, I was referring to hojo, but since you protest so much -- it must be you!!!
Jethro = world domination. Who knew before this moment?
I suspected, but wasn't sure :o)
HOJO leading the world?? that would be Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini rolled into one,we would be forced fed a false religion,it would be like the old days when the church killed people who did not agree with them,he'd be the same way,since he responds to every post with basically the same message to every post,I question his intelligents. not a nice thing to say but i can't help think that way. can't prove it,but I suspect he changed religions be cause he probably married a catholic girl and he dove head first into the false teachings of the church,it is possible because i worked with a guy who went from a drinking,pot smoking person, to a religious zealot in a weekends time,it got so bad the company let him go because he constantly pestered people all day and stood by the time clock in the morning spouting passages and handing out pamphlets.And i think HOJO is the same way,again my opinion,but i'd bet $0.50 that i'm close to being right.Problem is he'll never admit the truth.
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<quoted text>Yeppers Marge and Percy teamed up and ran Peanut and Ant off but we know there still lurking around......lol
Yeah but the reasons Catholics get 'run' off this forum has nothing to do with losing the debate. You guys are simply to ignorant to stomach. I'll go as far to say I've never dealt with people so completely stubborn; filled with pride and consumed by ignorance in my entire life. Its absolutely amazing.
However, I'll still try and be as polite as possible. I have no interest in converting anyone into Catholicism. To be honest, I don't think any of you would make a good fit in the Catholic Church right now anyway.
It took me just hrs to show someone they were in error about the Catholic faith and their pastor was bearing false witness against the Church. A couple quick Google searches and this Christian is now in classes to be received into the CC.
You see, he's a normal Christian; interested in actual truth and not conspiracy ideology.
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It is Rome with the neurotic empire. Protestants and others have to defend themselves from Rome. Some died, only to have Catholics write books claiming they were being persecuted. Since the end of the holy roman empire this is no more, yet Protestants are still here. Obviously wasnt the Protestants.
• Catholic Inquisition
http://youtu.be/Rx8PdvOELvY
with ex-Catholic Priest Richard Bennett
The severity of torture and murder that took place under Papal authority during the 605 years of the Inquisition can now be revealed from the pages of history. From the beginning of the Papacy, until the present time, it is estimated by credible historians that more than 50,000,000, men and women have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy charged against them by Papal Rome. This Video contains actual photographs of some of the instruments of torture that were used.
From John Dowling's The History of Romanism Book 8 Ch. 1, p 542-543, "From the birth of Popery in 600, to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty million of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of Popery." The main credible historians on the Inquisition, besides Dowling himself are Lea, Vancandard, Maycock, Coulton, Turberville and Scott's Church History. The torture chambers of the Inquisition lasted 605 years and were found throughout the nations controlled by Rome. They had their beginning under Pope Innocent III in 1203 until the Inquisition's final dissolution in Spain and Portugal in 1808.
The DVD documents as well twentieth century atrocities of the Vatican working with Roman Catholic dictators such as Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler; Francisco Franco in Spain, and Antonio Salazar in Portugal. The most brutal and bloodthirsty of all was Anton Pavelic in Croatia four-year reign of terror.
Lorane Botner in his book Roman Catholicism gives the numbers you quote but does not offer any documented facts for these numbers .The numbers you give have no basis in fact. Spain kept record on deaths in the inquisition .All stats these so called historians go back to his book !!!!!!!!!!
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We have 36000 letters that cite scripture from pre RC councils. This and more proves the accepted books were in use long before Rome accepted them. What did the pope use before 312 AD?
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The pagan Roman Church is not UFO it is historic fact. UFO does not exist. The pagan obelisk & sun wheel sits out in front of the Vatican.
You are aware it is the Vatican who not only advocates all the evolution big bangism even the Father of the 'big bang' but also has ufologist priest, Corrado Balducci? Do you know why the Vatican is perpetrating this ufo hoax on the world? Buckle your seatbelts.. the Jesuits need ET on other planets to support their big bang theories that claim there are planets with life all over the universe, not just on earth as the Bible says. These Jesuits claim the big bang formed everything, not God, thus according to these mad scientists God did not create or even exist!
There is no life anywhere in space. No ET no UFO. NASA & SETI have been looking since the 1960s and so far -- nothing.
Back on planet earth grounded in the word of God.
The Universe is hemongous,and we have no clue as to what is out there.Naturally we can assume that God presently does not want this planet to know for a fact that life exists on other planets.

We really cannot dogmatically assert that there is,or there is not life on other planets.Stars have been discovered to be indeed planets,just because we may see them in the sky at night,does not mean we know in fact that there is no life on any of them.

God created the Universe,and He alone at this time knows what is involved in the four courners of His universe.If few there be that find the way to salvation,how is it that there are millions worshiping Him in Heaven? We do not know what God has planned for this Universe of His,we are like a little camera placed in a room of high tech programming machines,isolated by our limited view of what is the bigger picture around us.
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Faith is belief in something for which there is no proof.
Which is why you are here and not becoming famous or even influential by proving your faith.
Nevertheless,Free Mind,after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imagineable,people of faith have seen that each new generation experiences the same Lord,and Savior jesus christ,giving Him the glory due His Name.

We have a choice,and that applies to every aspect of our lives.

The Apostle Paul encouraged the people of faith to build up themselves as well as to build up the Body of Christ.When we pray for example we can either remain bound to our own prayers,or we can enter into that realm of the Spirit,which in all truth builds up our spirit.It is a choice to choose to believe,to pray,to walk in the Spirit of God.It is all choice.God does not just pop inside of us,AS the Holy Spirit is a gentleman as it were,respectful to our power of choice.But when we choose God,and allow His Holy Spirit access to us,we find that our faith can be boundless,as God is not bound by human tradition or philosophies.

Jesus challenged our spirits by telling us that His Father would not give us a rock when we ask for bread,that He would not give us a serpent if we ask for fish.We are given the choice to A S K,and He will give us more than what we ask for,because He wants to build us up in our spirit.I am not talking about human assets on this earth of materialism,but the things of the SPIRIT,which goes deep into our being and builds up our faith in the God of all creation.

God is not going to come before you and say here I AM,believe in Me.But the Word was given to us so that we could intelligently,and with respect make the choice to choose our Creator over that which is temporal in this present life we live.If we choose fine homes,material things and security in this life,in and of themselves they are not wrong,but God wants us to realize that in this transitory life we CAN choose Him and that which is life,true,sacred and full of His glory.

I am going to another funeral this week,and perhaps next week as well after Easter,because two people I know one died ,and the other is on the threshold.The first funeral is for a 40 year old man who died abruptly from a terrible infection in his pancreas,which left him with a 107 degree temp.He went into diabetic coma,and the doctors struggled to save him,but could not.This man strived for a better life here,he purchased a new home,and he and his wife like so many relied on this life to give to them their security and so on.

Not saying that he was wrong to do so,but that prematurely,what he sought in this life was taken away from him,and now his wife is grieving,and his mother a dear friend of ours is devastated.What I am trying to say Free Mind is simply,we can strive to live a better life here,but we also need to focus our eyes on that which is unseen as well.Death robs us of a life here to its complete end.

Faith in God is more than a positive end,it is L I F E and the entering of that E T E R N A L sphere,of which we are totally clueless of in this plane.

All religions bekon human kind to look beyond our mortal frame and the pursuit of temporal happiness,TO consider that which is beyond the grave.

There is life beyond the grave,and we all should consider what that life is,the Bible tells us that Jesus holds the KEYS of life and death!
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<quoted text>Very seldom have I brought attention to the issue of sexual abuse and the Catholic Church. However I am not oblivious either to the scale of the sexual abuse and the cover up that continues in the Catholic Church. Deflect attention as you must onto the Orthodox or whomever.If this is your means of solution to a problem that your church has that is universally recognized as large scale- more so the cover up and the continuing thriving of those that covered up-then fine. We will follow this abuse into the next 20 years as well. As for the Orthodox, as someone who as spent his life preventing and protecting sex abuse victims I have no need to deny, minimize, or deflect. If one child is abused it is a travesty.I am not looking at other churches to defend my own.
Lets stop the roundy rounders and all admit the Catholic Church has yest to settle this and , not condemn but help the Church to reconcile this. Giod Bless your new Pope. May God Through this fine man bring a conclusion to this.
Your wife is the one who leveled the slander and accusation there was no deflection I merely posted an appropriate attitude and Christian response from an Orthodox group who is attemtpting to deal with the problem in your church. As I and virtually every Catholic have said this is not a uniquely Catholic issue. If you wish to join the Protestants who say this doesnt happen, its not an issue or yours is way worse than mine. That is the attitude that is a big part of the problem.

Marginalizing or pretending its being dealt with everywhere including your church is a denial of reality. The Catholic church as has been posted has taken alot of action to address issues. Many have been weeded out and prevention programs have been enacted and policies streamlined. Orthodox and Protestant churches who are not ignorant bigots and realize they are not immune do not point fingers, but rather have worked together to implement their own programs with much praise for the steps the church took and continues to take. So if taking pot shots at the Church and mocking with reckless emotion is not nor has it ever been a solution. Darkness will eventually come to light.

Cardinals, Bishops, priests, laity, a pope. It doesnt matter who is responsible. If wrongs are committed then they must be dealt with. God will judge all, but in no way does wrongs committed by individuals suggest the teachings of the of Church advocate abuse. The bible has more than a few examples of deeds and corruption and the result. As churches are investigated globally and programs continue to be enacted the darkness will come to light, but no one will ever be fully immune from sinners.
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<quoted text>the scriptures existed before both,the bible is a man made book which does not contain the whole truth,a lot of books were left out, some burned, some torn up and sold as souvenirs,if you mean the catholic church,it also is a creation of mans in which pagan and christian ideals were put together to please the two groups,the history shows it's not the holy place it claims to be. to answer your question is hard, emperor Constantine put together the 100 men to create the church and bible pretty much at the same time,so i guess you would have to create a set or rules,doctrines,catechisms in order to have a church,so in "IN MY OPINION" the bible had to be created first before you can have an organized group/church.
This is just more of your Protestant "editorializing" of TRUE Church History and "opinionizing" BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION".....the "fictitious beliefs that you are (FOREVER) "contriving and fabricating"!!!!!..... Jethro8, I am happy to see that you finally ADMITTED IT, which is something that I and we as Catholics, have known about "you" and other bible only "fundies"
on this forum. The "back pages" of your local newspaper is anxiously "awaiting" your "distorted OPINION" of Church History!!
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<quoted text>Nevertheless,Free Mind,after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imagineable,people of faith have seen that each new generation experiences the same Lord,and Savior jesus christ,giving Him the glory due His Name.
We have a choice,and that applies to every aspect of our lives.
The Apostle Paul encouraged the people of faith to build up themselves as well as to build up the Body of Christ.When we pray for example we can either remain bound to our own prayers,or we can enter into that realm of the Spirit,which in all truth builds up our spirit.It is a choice to choose to believe,to pray,to walk in the Spirit of God.It is all choice.God does not just pop inside of us,AS the Holy Spirit is a gentleman as it were,respectful to our power of choice.But when we choose God,and allow His Holy Spirit access to us,we find that our faith can be boundless,as God is not bound by human tradition or philosophies.
Jesus challenged our spirits by telling us that His Father would not give us a rock when we ask for bread,that He would not give us a serpent if we ask for fish.We are given the choice to A S K,and He will give us more than what we ask for,because He wants to build us up in our spirit.I am not talking about human assets on this earth of materialism,but the things of the SPIRIT,which goes deep into our being and builds up our faith in the God of all creation.
God is not going to come before you and say here I AM,believe in Me.But the Word was given to us so that we could intelligently,and with respect make the choice to choose our Creator over that which is temporal in this present life we live.If we choose fine homes,material things and security in this life,in and of themselves they are not wrong,but God wants us to realize that in this transitory life we CAN choose Him and that which is life,true,sacred and full of His glory.
I am going to another funeral this week,and perhaps next week as well after Easter,because two people I know one died ,and the other is on the threshold.The first funeral is for a 40 year old man who died abruptly from a terrible infection in his pancreas,which left him with a 107 degree temp.He went into diabetic coma,and the doctors struggled to save him,but could not.This man strived for a better life here,he purchased a new home,and he and his wife like so many relied on this life to give to them their security and so on.
Not saying that he was wrong to do so,but that prematurely,what he sought in this life was taken away from him,and now his wife is grieving,and his mother a dear friend of ours is devastated.What I am trying to say Free Mind is simply,we can strive to live a better life here,but we also need to focus our eyes on that which is ..........
All religions bekon human kind to look beyond our mortal frame and the pursuit of temporal happiness,TO consider that which is beyond the grave.
There is life beyond the grave,and we all should consider what that life is,the Bible tells us that Jesus holds the KEYS of life and death!
Thanks Pad, you always give a thoughtful reply.

Pad writes -- "after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imaginable... "

While you apply that to Christianity here, I believe that's true of all faiths.

Historically, the biggest, most enduring enemy of any faith -- is another faith.

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I am not knocking the strength that can be found in faith. I am pointing out how it is often used to judge and condemn others.
The more fundamentalist and less questioning a faith, the more judgmental it becomes of others.

History tells us that when a group is 100% certain, it tends to stop policing itself and starts to police others. Why not? It holds the absolute truth, so it no longer requires accountability.

Are you 100% certain of every aspect of your faith? If so, are there other paths that are also true?

If not, how small and geocentric does that make God?
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What does the Bible say about fear?"

Answer: The Bible mentions two specific types of fear. The first type is beneficial and is to be encouraged. The second type is a detriment and is to be overcome. The first type of fear is fear of the Lord. This type of fear does not necessarily mean to be afraid of something. Rather, it is a reverential awe of God; a reverence for His power and glory. However, it is also a proper respect for His wrath and anger. In other words, the fear of the Lord is a total acknowledgement of all that God is, which comes through knowing Him and His attributes.

Fear of the Lord brings with it many blessings and benefits. It is the beginning of wisdom and leads to good understanding (Psalm 111:10). Only fools despise wisdom and discipline (Proverbs 1:7). Furthermore, fear of the Lord leads to life, rest, peace, and contentment (Proverbs 19:23). It is the fountain of life (Proverbs 14:27) and provides a security and a place of safety for us (Proverbs 14:26).

Thus, one can see how fearing God should be encouraged. However, the second type of fear mentioned in the Bible is not beneficial at all. This is the “spirit of fear” mentioned in 2 Timothy 1:7:“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind”(NKJV). A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God.

However, sometimes we are afraid, sometimes this “spirit of fear” overcomes us, and to overcome it we need to trust in and love God completely.“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love”(1 John 4:18). No one is perfect, and God knows this. That is why He has liberally sprinkled encouragement against fear throughout the Bible. Beginning in the book of Genesis and continuing throughout the book of Revelation, God reminds us to “Fear not.”

For example, Isaiah 41:10 encourages us,“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” Often we fear the future and what will become of us. But Jesus reminds us that God cares for the birds of the air, so how much more will He provide for His children?“So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows”(Matthew 10:31). Just these few verses cover many different types of fear. God tells us not to be afraid of being alone, of being too weak, of not being heard, and of lacking physical necessities. These admonishments continue throughout the Bible, covering the many different aspects of the “spirit of fear.”

In Psalm 56:11 the psalmist writes,“In God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” This is an awesome testimony to the power of trusting in God. Regardless of what happens, the psalmist will trust in God because he knows and understands the power of God. The key to overcoming fear, then, is total and complete trust in God. Trusting God is a refusal to give in to fear. It is a turning to God even in the darkest times and trusting Him to make things right. This trust comes from knowing God and knowing that He is good. As Job said when he was experiencing some of the most difficult trials recorded in the Bible,“Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him”(Job 13:15 NKJV).

Once we have learned to put our trust in God, we will no longer be afraid of the things that come against us. We will be like the psalmist who said with confidence “…let all who take refuge in you be glad; let them ever sing for joy. Spread your protection over them, that those who love your name may rejoice in you”(Psalm 5:11).

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Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time" JETHRO:you say this all the time because you know as well as i do that it is a waste of time looking for history that does not exist,you don't realize it but you help prove my point.the only history there is about the church is the phony history they wrote themselves and there is NOTHING to support it.
When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
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Thanks Pad, you always give a thoughtful reply.
Pad writes -- "after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imaginable... "
While you apply that to Christianity here, I believe that's true of all faiths.
Historically, the biggest, most enduring enemy of any faith -- is another faith.
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I am not knocking the strength that can be found in faith. I am pointing out how it is often used to judge and condemn others.
The more fundamentalist and less questioning a faith, the more judgmental it becomes of others.
History tells us that when a group is 100% certain, it tends to stop policing itself and starts to police others. Why not? It holds the absolute truth, so it no longer requires accountability.
Are you 100% certain of every aspect of your faith? If so, are there other paths that are also true?
If not, how small and geocentric does that make God?
God is the CREATOR! So who Free Mind can Know Him as He really is? We will never as His creation fully understand His glory as to what He created,and for what reason He created all things,planets,peoples and so on.

I cannot limit God,because I am a speck of dust,or even yet a microbe,which has to be seen through the lens of a microscope.BUT, rest assure that even though I am nothing,He has still touched me and made my life with purpose.

Is He the God of all? Who are we to decide or state that He only is the God of one group or another? I cannot disregard all religions,but I can say with assureness that H E is wanting a relationship with as many as will C H O O S E to have that with HIM.

Yes,I believe that God has a blueprint for what sort of relationship He chooses to have with us.He does abhor sin,but not the sinner.He calls human beings in all religions to avoid evil and do G O O D. Even in religions where He is not recognized as a Supreme Being,God inspires human beings with a conscience to respect the life cycle of all around them.There are religious practitioners of many religions who are people of G o o d WILL!

God will decide their future,not me.With what I have been shown,and experienced I know that Jesus Christ is Lord,and that He is the only Mediator between God and Man. NOW, if you define M e r c y, and compassion,and ALL-Knowing,than you can find that God is not limited to one religious expression of faith,but that He is Consuming Fire to absorb that which is O F Him in all of humanity and their particular choices of belief.

EVEN an atheist who does not believe,but does good,and seeks the whole wellness of a human being regardless of their ethnicity or faith,is seen by God and God will judge that person as He sees fit,I cannot pass judgment on any person.To lump all who do not believe the way I do into a Christ less eternity is placing me in a GOD-role,and I being the microbe of nothing have no right to assume the fate or futre of any human being.

I leave that to Him who KNOWS all,and S E E S everything,as He is OMNI-present.On the other hand in the Scriptures we do see the salvation of the LORD,and it involves His Holy Son,and the sufferings and crucifixion of that SON.We have a choice to make,either to reject what His S O N ,indeed did to lay DOWN His life,or receive Him as a Savior.

The world and religious philosophers,political peoples and so on have placed the teachings of JESUS and the Kingdom of His Father in a B O X(Christianity),when frankly the message of the Scriptures is not that we all should be members of Christianity,but rather that we confess our sins to Christ,accept His salvation for our souls,and enter into the Kingdom of His Dear Father.The Holy Spirit will witness to our spirit,that Jesus is Lord,and our Savior.

It is the Enemy of our soul who worked doubly hard to make the Gospel message a religion of a particular political slant,and we all bought into it.

When you read the Bible without the political stage,you find JESUS!
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When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
AS long as you remain in the political framework of Christian sectarianism,you will find yourself in the middle of class warfare,which is so apparent in denominationalism.I know what you are in ,as we are all in the same battle of semantics and religious paraphenalia.

However, hojo,behind the scenes of all the religious jargon and slurs,and stereotyping,there is Christ,His Will, His Spirit, and His desire to see the Travail of His soul.And He is not doing it solely in your church,but in the whole of Christian churches,wherever they may be found.Martyrs are of all Christian groups in countries hostile to Christ.The message of the Gospel is changeing lives in all groups and affiliations.
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Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time"
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JETHRO:you say this all the time because you know as well as i do that it is a waste of time looking for history that does not exist,you don't realize it but you help prove my point.the only history there is about the church is the phony history they wrote themselves and there is NOTHING to support it.
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When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
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LTM wrote:
What does the Bible say about fear?"
Answer: The Bible mentions two specific types of fear. The first type is beneficial and is to be encouraged. The second type is a detriment and is to be overcome. The first type of fear is fear of the Lord. This type of fear does not necessarily mean to be afraid of something. Rather, it is a reverential awe of God; a reverence for His power and glory. However, it is also a proper respect for His wrath and anger. In other words, the fear of the Lord is a total acknowledgement of all that God is, which comes through knowing Him and His attributes.
Fear of the Lord brings with it many blessings and benefits. It is the beginning of wisdom and leads to good understanding (Psalm 111:10). Only fools despise wisdom and discipline (Proverbs 1:7). Furthermore, fear of the Lord leads to life, rest, peace, and contentment (Proverbs 19:23).“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love”(1 John 4:18). No one is perfect, and God knows this. That is why He has liberally sprinkled encouragement against fear throughout the Bible. Beginning in the book of Genesis and continuing throughout the book of Revelation, God reminds us to “Fear not.”
For example, Isaiah 41:10 encourages us,“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” Often you are worth more than many sparrows”(Matthew 10:31). Just these few verses cover many different types of fear. God tells us not to be afraid of being alone, of being too weak, of not being heard, and of lacking
In Psalm 56:11 the psalmist writes,“In God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” This is an awesome testimony to the power of trusting in God. Regardless of what happens, the psalmist will trust in God because he knows and understands the power of God. The key to overcoming fear, then, is total and complete trust in God. Trusting God is a refusal to give in to fear. It is a turning to God even in the darkest times and trusting Him to make things right. This trust comes from knowing God and knowing that He is good. As Job said when he was experiencing some of the most difficult trials recorded in the Bible,“Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him”(Job 13:15 NKJV).
Once we have learned to put our trust in God, we will no longer be afraid of the things that come against us. We will be like the psalmist who said with confidence “…let all who take refuge in you be glad; let them ever sing for joy. Spread your protection over them, that those who love your name may rejoice in you”(Psalm 5:11).
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Today is Palm Sunday and it was FEAR that caused the people to reject Jesus 2,000 yrs ago.
Today, its this same fear that causes people to reject His Church; the only visible singular body He started. You trash, scourge and condemn this Church out of fear for you being wrong.
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