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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#429434 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Very seldom have I brought attention to the issue of sexual abuse and the Catholic Church. However I am not oblivious either to the scale of the sexual abuse and the cover up that continues in the Catholic Church. Deflect attention as you must onto the Orthodox or whomever.If this is your means of solution to a problem that your church has that is universally recognized as large scale- more so the cover up and the continuing thriving of those that covered up-then fine. We will follow this abuse into the next 20 years as well. As for the Orthodox, as someone who as spent his life preventing and protecting sex abuse victims I have no need to deny, minimize, or deflect. If one child is abused it is a travesty.I am not looking at other churches to defend my own.
Lets stop the roundy rounders and all admit the Catholic Church has yest to settle this and , not condemn but help the Church to reconcile this. Giod Bless your new Pope. May God Through this fine man bring a conclusion to this.
Your wife is the one who leveled the slander and accusation there was no deflection I merely posted an appropriate attitude and Christian response from an Orthodox group who is attemtpting to deal with the problem in your church. As I and virtually every Catholic have said this is not a uniquely Catholic issue. If you wish to join the Protestants who say this doesnt happen, its not an issue or yours is way worse than mine. That is the attitude that is a big part of the problem.

Marginalizing or pretending its being dealt with everywhere including your church is a denial of reality. The Catholic church as has been posted has taken alot of action to address issues. Many have been weeded out and prevention programs have been enacted and policies streamlined. Orthodox and Protestant churches who are not ignorant bigots and realize they are not immune do not point fingers, but rather have worked together to implement their own programs with much praise for the steps the church took and continues to take. So if taking pot shots at the Church and mocking with reckless emotion is not nor has it ever been a solution. Darkness will eventually come to light.

Cardinals, Bishops, priests, laity, a pope. It doesnt matter who is responsible. If wrongs are committed then they must be dealt with. God will judge all, but in no way does wrongs committed by individuals suggest the teachings of the of Church advocate abuse. The bible has more than a few examples of deeds and corruption and the result. As churches are investigated globally and programs continue to be enacted the darkness will come to light, but no one will ever be fully immune from sinners.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429435 Mar 24, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>the scriptures existed before both,the bible is a man made book which does not contain the whole truth,a lot of books were left out, some burned, some torn up and sold as souvenirs,if you mean the catholic church,it also is a creation of mans in which pagan and christian ideals were put together to please the two groups,the history shows it's not the holy place it claims to be. to answer your question is hard, emperor Constantine put together the 100 men to create the church and bible pretty much at the same time,so i guess you would have to create a set or rules,doctrines,catechisms in order to have a church,so in "IN MY OPINION" the bible had to be created first before you can have an organized group/church.
This is just more of your Protestant "editorializing" of TRUE Church History and "opinionizing" BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION".....the "fictitious beliefs that you are (FOREVER) "contriving and fabricating"!!!!!..... Jethro8, I am happy to see that you finally ADMITTED IT, which is something that I and we as Catholics, have known about "you" and other bible only "fundies"
on this forum. The "back pages" of your local newspaper is anxiously "awaiting" your "distorted OPINION" of Church History!!
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429436 Mar 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Nevertheless,Free Mind,after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imagineable,people of faith have seen that each new generation experiences the same Lord,and Savior jesus christ,giving Him the glory due His Name.
We have a choice,and that applies to every aspect of our lives.
The Apostle Paul encouraged the people of faith to build up themselves as well as to build up the Body of Christ.When we pray for example we can either remain bound to our own prayers,or we can enter into that realm of the Spirit,which in all truth builds up our spirit.It is a choice to choose to believe,to pray,to walk in the Spirit of God.It is all choice.God does not just pop inside of us,AS the Holy Spirit is a gentleman as it were,respectful to our power of choice.But when we choose God,and allow His Holy Spirit access to us,we find that our faith can be boundless,as God is not bound by human tradition or philosophies.
Jesus challenged our spirits by telling us that His Father would not give us a rock when we ask for bread,that He would not give us a serpent if we ask for fish.We are given the choice to A S K,and He will give us more than what we ask for,because He wants to build us up in our spirit.I am not talking about human assets on this earth of materialism,but the things of the SPIRIT,which goes deep into our being and builds up our faith in the God of all creation.
God is not going to come before you and say here I AM,believe in Me.But the Word was given to us so that we could intelligently,and with respect make the choice to choose our Creator over that which is temporal in this present life we live.If we choose fine homes,material things and security in this life,in and of themselves they are not wrong,but God wants us to realize that in this transitory life we CAN choose Him and that which is life,true,sacred and full of His glory.
I am going to another funeral this week,and perhaps next week as well after Easter,because two people I know one died ,and the other is on the threshold.The first funeral is for a 40 year old man who died abruptly from a terrible infection in his pancreas,which left him with a 107 degree temp.He went into diabetic coma,and the doctors struggled to save him,but could not.This man strived for a better life here,he purchased a new home,and he and his wife like so many relied on this life to give to them their security and so on.
Not saying that he was wrong to do so,but that prematurely,what he sought in this life was taken away from him,and now his wife is grieving,and his mother a dear friend of ours is devastated.What I am trying to say Free Mind is simply,we can strive to live a better life here,but we also need to focus our eyes on that which is ..........
All religions bekon human kind to look beyond our mortal frame and the pursuit of temporal happiness,TO consider that which is beyond the grave.
There is life beyond the grave,and we all should consider what that life is,the Bible tells us that Jesus holds the KEYS of life and death!
Thanks Pad, you always give a thoughtful reply.

Pad writes -- "after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imaginable... "

While you apply that to Christianity here, I believe that's true of all faiths.

Historically, the biggest, most enduring enemy of any faith -- is another faith.

More...

I am not knocking the strength that can be found in faith. I am pointing out how it is often used to judge and condemn others.
The more fundamentalist and less questioning a faith, the more judgmental it becomes of others.

History tells us that when a group is 100% certain, it tends to stop policing itself and starts to police others. Why not? It holds the absolute truth, so it no longer requires accountability.

Are you 100% certain of every aspect of your faith? If so, are there other paths that are also true?

If not, how small and geocentric does that make God?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#429437 Mar 24, 2013
What does the Bible say about fear?"

Answer: The Bible mentions two specific types of fear. The first type is beneficial and is to be encouraged. The second type is a detriment and is to be overcome. The first type of fear is fear of the Lord. This type of fear does not necessarily mean to be afraid of something. Rather, it is a reverential awe of God; a reverence for His power and glory. However, it is also a proper respect for His wrath and anger. In other words, the fear of the Lord is a total acknowledgement of all that God is, which comes through knowing Him and His attributes.

Fear of the Lord brings with it many blessings and benefits. It is the beginning of wisdom and leads to good understanding (Psalm 111:10). Only fools despise wisdom and discipline (Proverbs 1:7). Furthermore, fear of the Lord leads to life, rest, peace, and contentment (Proverbs 19:23). It is the fountain of life (Proverbs 14:27) and provides a security and a place of safety for us (Proverbs 14:26).

Thus, one can see how fearing God should be encouraged. However, the second type of fear mentioned in the Bible is not beneficial at all. This is the “spirit of fear” mentioned in 2 Timothy 1:7:“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind”(NKJV). A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God.

However, sometimes we are afraid, sometimes this “spirit of fear” overcomes us, and to overcome it we need to trust in and love God completely.“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love”(1 John 4:18). No one is perfect, and God knows this. That is why He has liberally sprinkled encouragement against fear throughout the Bible. Beginning in the book of Genesis and continuing throughout the book of Revelation, God reminds us to “Fear not.”

For example, Isaiah 41:10 encourages us,“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” Often we fear the future and what will become of us. But Jesus reminds us that God cares for the birds of the air, so how much more will He provide for His children?“So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows”(Matthew 10:31). Just these few verses cover many different types of fear. God tells us not to be afraid of being alone, of being too weak, of not being heard, and of lacking physical necessities. These admonishments continue throughout the Bible, covering the many different aspects of the “spirit of fear.”

In Psalm 56:11 the psalmist writes,“In God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” This is an awesome testimony to the power of trusting in God. Regardless of what happens, the psalmist will trust in God because he knows and understands the power of God. The key to overcoming fear, then, is total and complete trust in God. Trusting God is a refusal to give in to fear. It is a turning to God even in the darkest times and trusting Him to make things right. This trust comes from knowing God and knowing that He is good. As Job said when he was experiencing some of the most difficult trials recorded in the Bible,“Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him”(Job 13:15 NKJV).

Once we have learned to put our trust in God, we will no longer be afraid of the things that come against us. We will be like the psalmist who said with confidence “…let all who take refuge in you be glad; let them ever sing for joy. Spread your protection over them, that those who love your name may rejoice in you”(Psalm 5:11).

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hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429438 Mar 24, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>"hojo"]<q uoted text>
Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time" JETHRO:you say this all the time because you know as well as i do that it is a waste of time looking for history that does not exist,you don't realize it but you help prove my point.the only history there is about the church is the phony history they wrote themselves and there is NOTHING to support it.
When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#429439 Mar 24, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Pad, you always give a thoughtful reply.
Pad writes -- "after centuries of existing and facing every obstacle to faith imaginable... "
While you apply that to Christianity here, I believe that's true of all faiths.
Historically, the biggest, most enduring enemy of any faith -- is another faith.
More...
I am not knocking the strength that can be found in faith. I am pointing out how it is often used to judge and condemn others.
The more fundamentalist and less questioning a faith, the more judgmental it becomes of others.
History tells us that when a group is 100% certain, it tends to stop policing itself and starts to police others. Why not? It holds the absolute truth, so it no longer requires accountability.
Are you 100% certain of every aspect of your faith? If so, are there other paths that are also true?
If not, how small and geocentric does that make God?
God is the CREATOR! So who Free Mind can Know Him as He really is? We will never as His creation fully understand His glory as to what He created,and for what reason He created all things,planets,peoples and so on.

I cannot limit God,because I am a speck of dust,or even yet a microbe,which has to be seen through the lens of a microscope.BUT, rest assure that even though I am nothing,He has still touched me and made my life with purpose.

Is He the God of all? Who are we to decide or state that He only is the God of one group or another? I cannot disregard all religions,but I can say with assureness that H E is wanting a relationship with as many as will C H O O S E to have that with HIM.

Yes,I believe that God has a blueprint for what sort of relationship He chooses to have with us.He does abhor sin,but not the sinner.He calls human beings in all religions to avoid evil and do G O O D. Even in religions where He is not recognized as a Supreme Being,God inspires human beings with a conscience to respect the life cycle of all around them.There are religious practitioners of many religions who are people of G o o d WILL!

God will decide their future,not me.With what I have been shown,and experienced I know that Jesus Christ is Lord,and that He is the only Mediator between God and Man. NOW, if you define M e r c y, and compassion,and ALL-Knowing,than you can find that God is not limited to one religious expression of faith,but that He is Consuming Fire to absorb that which is O F Him in all of humanity and their particular choices of belief.

EVEN an atheist who does not believe,but does good,and seeks the whole wellness of a human being regardless of their ethnicity or faith,is seen by God and God will judge that person as He sees fit,I cannot pass judgment on any person.To lump all who do not believe the way I do into a Christ less eternity is placing me in a GOD-role,and I being the microbe of nothing have no right to assume the fate or futre of any human being.

I leave that to Him who KNOWS all,and S E E S everything,as He is OMNI-present.On the other hand in the Scriptures we do see the salvation of the LORD,and it involves His Holy Son,and the sufferings and crucifixion of that SON.We have a choice to make,either to reject what His S O N ,indeed did to lay DOWN His life,or receive Him as a Savior.

The world and religious philosophers,political peoples and so on have placed the teachings of JESUS and the Kingdom of His Father in a B O X(Christianity),when frankly the message of the Scriptures is not that we all should be members of Christianity,but rather that we confess our sins to Christ,accept His salvation for our souls,and enter into the Kingdom of His Dear Father.The Holy Spirit will witness to our spirit,that Jesus is Lord,and our Savior.

It is the Enemy of our soul who worked doubly hard to make the Gospel message a religion of a particular political slant,and we all bought into it.

When you read the Bible without the political stage,you find JESUS!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#429440 Mar 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
AS long as you remain in the political framework of Christian sectarianism,you will find yourself in the middle of class warfare,which is so apparent in denominationalism.I know what you are in ,as we are all in the same battle of semantics and religious paraphenalia.

However, hojo,behind the scenes of all the religious jargon and slurs,and stereotyping,there is Christ,His Will, His Spirit, and His desire to see the Travail of His soul.And He is not doing it solely in your church,but in the whole of Christian churches,wherever they may be found.Martyrs are of all Christian groups in countries hostile to Christ.The message of the Gospel is changeing lives in all groups and affiliations.
guest

United States

#429441 Mar 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time"
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jethro8 wrote:
JETHRO:you say this all the time because you know as well as i do that it is a waste of time looking for history that does not exist,you don't realize it but you help prove my point.the only history there is about the church is the phony history they wrote themselves and there is NOTHING to support it.
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hojo wrote:
When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
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Clay

United States

#429442 Mar 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
What does the Bible say about fear?"
Answer: The Bible mentions two specific types of fear. The first type is beneficial and is to be encouraged. The second type is a detriment and is to be overcome. The first type of fear is fear of the Lord. This type of fear does not necessarily mean to be afraid of something. Rather, it is a reverential awe of God; a reverence for His power and glory. However, it is also a proper respect for His wrath and anger. In other words, the fear of the Lord is a total acknowledgement of all that God is, which comes through knowing Him and His attributes.
Fear of the Lord brings with it many blessings and benefits. It is the beginning of wisdom and leads to good understanding (Psalm 111:10). Only fools despise wisdom and discipline (Proverbs 1:7). Furthermore, fear of the Lord leads to life, rest, peace, and contentment (Proverbs 19:23).“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love”(1 John 4:18). No one is perfect, and God knows this. That is why He has liberally sprinkled encouragement against fear throughout the Bible. Beginning in the book of Genesis and continuing throughout the book of Revelation, God reminds us to “Fear not.”
For example, Isaiah 41:10 encourages us,“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” Often you are worth more than many sparrows”(Matthew 10:31). Just these few verses cover many different types of fear. God tells us not to be afraid of being alone, of being too weak, of not being heard, and of lacking
In Psalm 56:11 the psalmist writes,“In God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” This is an awesome testimony to the power of trusting in God. Regardless of what happens, the psalmist will trust in God because he knows and understands the power of God. The key to overcoming fear, then, is total and complete trust in God. Trusting God is a refusal to give in to fear. It is a turning to God even in the darkest times and trusting Him to make things right. This trust comes from knowing God and knowing that He is good. As Job said when he was experiencing some of the most difficult trials recorded in the Bible,“Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him”(Job 13:15 NKJV).
Once we have learned to put our trust in God, we will no longer be afraid of the things that come against us. We will be like the psalmist who said with confidence “…let all who take refuge in you be glad; let them ever sing for joy. Spread your protection over them, that those who love your name may rejoice in you”(Psalm 5:11).
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Excellent.
Today is Palm Sunday and it was FEAR that caused the people to reject Jesus 2,000 yrs ago.
Today, its this same fear that causes people to reject His Church; the only visible singular body He started. You trash, scourge and condemn this Church out of fear for you being wrong.
guest

United States

#429443 Mar 24, 2013
if

it's

Pagan

it's

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Satan

and after THAT

you are simply

arguing SEMANTICS!
Clay

United States

#429444 Mar 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>AS long as you remain in the political framework of Christian sectarianism,you will find yourself in the middle of class warfare,which is so apparent in denominationalism.I know what you are in ,as we are all in the same battle of semantics and religious paraphenalia.
However, hojo,behind the scenes of all the religious jargon and slurs,and stereotyping,there is Christ,His Will, His Spirit, and His desire to see the Travail of His soul.And He is not doing it solely in your church,but in the whole of Christian churches,wherever they may be found.Martyrs are of all Christian groups in countries hostile to Christ.The message of the Gospel is changeing lives in all groups and affiliations.
No one will deny you the grace you experience with Christ when you pray and read the Bible.
I just don't think you're getting the fullness of the graces God has for us as beings on Earth. Particularly the Holy Sacraments given by the Apostles before they wrote down anything for the NT.
Not to mention, your preacher is preaching a slightly different Gospel than what was originally preached...or in some cases, an exact opposite of what was originally preached.

Still, God in His infinite love for you and all Protestants, gives you graces every time you pray. I don't think any Catholic on Earth would deny that fact.
So we find it odd, that many of you in turn, condemn us and deny God could give any Catholic graces.

I personally find it odd that we call you guys our 'brothers and sisters' and you in turn, falsely accuse us of worshiping Mary and thus, headed to Hell for it.
Is there any dialogue we can build on?
Clay

United States

#429445 Mar 24, 2013
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Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429446 Mar 24, 2013
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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So you deny the continuity of the Bible and the ability to cross reference it...
BIBLE DEFINED..BY....using excerpts from Websters dictionary.
All of the Bible is unique ..LIKE NO OTHER BOOK EVER WRITTEN
ALL 66 BOOKS. ARE interdependent and can be... AND ARE.. co-related.
It has
The state of being one; ONENESS.
IT has Unity that consist of a simple substance or existing being, as the soul;
It consists in a close junction of particles or parts, constituting a BOOK.. detached from other BOOKS AS THE MORAL STANDARD OF THE UNIVERSE.
A Unity ... undivided of itself, but separated BY HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS holiness from all other ungodly entities.
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. It has Concord; conjunction; as a unity of proofs.
. Agreement; uniformity; .... unity of doctrine; ...unity of worship
unity of faith, as in GOD THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST.
In christian theology, oneness of sentiment, affection or behavior.
How good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psa 133.
IT IS ONE...As... In mathematics,--- the abstract expression for any unit whatsoever. The number 1 is unity, when it is not applied to any particular object; but a unit, when it is so applied.
As In poetry,-- the principle by which a uniform tenor of story and propriety of representation is preserved.--
IT IS drama, OF WHICH there are three unities;
the unity of action,
that of time, and
that of place.
As In the epic poem, the great and almost only unity is that of action.
As In music, such a combination of parts as to constitute a whole, or a kind of symmetry of style and character.
As In law, the properties of a joint estate..
our INHERITANCE IS derived from its unity,
which is fourfold;
unity of interest,
unity of title,
unity of time, and
unity of possession;
in other words,
joint-tenants having one and the same interest,
accruing by one and the same conveyance,
commencing at the same time, and
held by one and the same undivided possession.
As IN Unity of faith,
It is an equal belief of the same truths of God, and
possession of the grace of faith
in like form and degree,
All the above from the first Chapter of Genesis to the closing words of Revelation ...
It is personal ..to every human being yet relevant to all of God's creation...
A. None of the verses you quoted from Rev have any parallel verses in Ge

B. None of the verses in Ge 1:1-5 have any parallel verses in Rev.

C. The "light" in Ge 3 is not Jesus...it was a created thing...a day. So, to say that the light was Jesus is to say that God created Jesus in Ge 1:3!!!!!!!

Word of advice...Forget what you were taught in Hollywood 101...learn how to study the Bible....
Clay

United States

#429447 Mar 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
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When you speak of "phony history", Protestants have a "monopoly" on "making things up" as they go along,(both with Church History and Bible Interpretation) by "contriving and inventing" WHATEVER IT TAKES, to MAKE IT FIT (conveniently) into their anti-catholic agenda......For you "fundies", the "heretical" shoe always seems to fit,---and you are "born to wear it"!
They seem to accept the authority of the Catholic Church and Pope when the Bible was compiled. Then they snatch it out of the Church's hands in a rabid frenzy.
How's it going Hojo? Did you and your wife head to Ireland yet?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429448 Mar 24, 2013
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Free Mind wrote:
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Agreed. Better to change the meanings to fit your view of the universe.
That way, you are always assured of having all the answers.
I'm still curious. How do you know these "true meanings," when the Jews who wrote and harbored the OT for a couple thousand years didn't have a clue as to what it really meant?
I find that amazing.
And you know all this, even with known faulty translations, while correcting others are able to read the books in the original language.
What a mental giant this poster must be! While scholars worldwide continue this debate for the ages, an anonymous guru on Topix has it down pat - a sure thing!!!
Glad to know you agree...

Have a question. Where are you getting this info? Quote: I'm still curious. How do you know these "true meanings," when the Jews who wrote and harbored the OT for a couple thousand years didn't have a clue as to what it really meant?

Doesn't sound logical..if I write something...I know what it means!!!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429449 Mar 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
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This is just more of your Protestant "editorializing" of TRUE Church History and "opinionizing" BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION".....the "fictitious beliefs that you are (FOREVER) "contriving and fabricating"!!!!!..... Jethro8, I am happy to see that you finally ADMITTED IT, which is something that I and we as Catholics, have known about "you" and other bible only "fundies"
on this forum. The "back pages" of your local newspaper is anxiously "awaiting" your "distorted OPINION" of Church History!!
you just proved what i posted earlier,you are a parrot you post the same thing over and over,never nothing new,when i post something that is strictly my opinion i say so,you know i do not belong to any religious group but you keep posting quote"your Protestant "editorializing" unquote,it's things like this that do make me question your intelligence.i post history that i find that can be verified by at least 1 to 2 different sources,something you can not do,you have to rely on hearsay,which is meaningless,you have only the word of a group of corrupt perverted,money/power hungry men.who are no more holier than i am.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429450 Mar 24, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
Jesus denies his mother and siblings....
Matthew.... 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
interesting,straight out of HOJO'S favorite book.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429451 Mar 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>God is the CREATOR! So who Free Mind can Know Him as He really is? We will never as His creation fully understand His glory as to what He created,and for what reason He created all things,planets,peoples and so on.
I cannot limit God,because I am a speck of dust,or even yet a microbe,which has to be seen through the lens of a microscope.BUT, rest assure that even though I am nothing,He has still touched me and made my life with purpose.
Is He the God of all? Who are we to decide or state that He only is the God of one group or another? I cannot disregard all religions,but I can say with assureness that H E is wanting a relationship with as many as will C H O O S E to have that with HIM.
Yes,I believe that God has a blueprint for what sort of relationship He chooses to have with us.He does abhor sin,but not the sinner.He calls human beings in all religions to avoid evil and do G O O D. Even in religions where He is not recognized as a Supreme Being,God inspires human beings with a conscience to respect the life cycle of all around them.There are religious practitioners of many religions who are people of G o o d WILL!
God will decide their future,not me.With what I have been shown,and experienced I know that Jesus Christ is Lord,and that He is the only Mediator between God and Man. NOW, if you define M e r c y, and compassion,and ALL-Knowing,than you can find that God is not limited to one religious expression of faith,but that He is Consuming Fire to absorb that which is O F Him in all of humanity and their particular choices of belief.
EVEN an atheist who does not believe,but does good,and seeks the whole wellness of a human being regardless of their ethnicity or faith,is seen by God and God will judge that person as He sees fit,I cannot pass judgment on any person.To lump all who do not believe the way I do into a Christ less eternity is placing me in a GOD-role,and I being the microbe of nothing have no right to assume the fate or futre of any human being.
I leave that to Him who KNOWS all,and S E E S everything,as He is OMNI-present.On the other hand in the Scriptures we do see the salvation of the LORD,and it involves His Holy Son,and the sufferings and crucifixion of that SON.We have a choice to make,either to reject what His S O N ,indeed did to lay DOWN His life,or receive Him as a Savior.
The world and religious philosophers,political peoples and so on have placed the teachings of JESUS and the Kingdom of His Father in a B O X(Christianity),when frankly the message of the Scriptures is not that we all should be members of Christianity,but rather that we confess our sins to Christ,accept His salvation for our souls,and enter into the Kingdom of His Dear Father.The Holy Spirit will witness to our spirit,that Jesus is Lord,and our Savior.
It is the Enemy of our soul who worked doubly hard to make the Gospel message a religion of a particular political slant,and we all bought into it.
When you read the Bible without the political stage,you find JESUS!
That sounds like a powerful faith.
Free Mind

Spring Hill, FL

#429452 Mar 24, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you just proved what i posted earlier,you are a parrot you post the same thing over and over,never nothing new,when i post something that is strictly my opinion i say so,you know i do not belong to any religious group but you keep posting quote"your Protestant "editorializing" unquote,it's things like this that do make me question your intelligence.i post history that i find that can be verified by at least 1 to 2 different sources,something you can not do,you have to rely on hearsay,which is meaningless,you have only the word of a group of corrupt perverted,money/power hungry men.who are no more holier than i am.
If you can't trust corrupt, perverted, power hungry men, who can you trust?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429453 Mar 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>AS long as you remain in the political framework of Christian sectarianism,you will find yourself in the middle of class warfare,which is so apparent in denominationalism.I know what you are in ,as we are all in the same battle of semantics and religious paraphenalia.
However, hojo,behind the scenes of all the religious jargon and slurs,and stereotyping,there is Christ,His Will, His Spirit, and His desire to see the Travail of His soul.And He is not doing it solely in your church,but in the whole of Christian churches,wherever they may be found.Martyrs are of all Christian groups in countries hostile to Christ.The message of the Gospel is changeing lives in all groups and affiliations.
Agree!!!! I,We as Catholics, believe that we are ALL eucumentical bothers and sisters in Christ!
Unfortunately---bible only Protestants "DON'T agree"!

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