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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 637411 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#429536 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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That would be great, because to date you haven't contributed anything intelligent on it. Yes it is useless and its too bad you cant see it. You do waste time as you prefer to be an ignoramous and slander with hate. We didnt bring it up in a self righteous tirade of emotion. I am sorry you can't join with the Orthodox who seek common ground and work together as your Patriarchs have encouraged. Even if our churches united there would always be those who would reject that and hold to their own beliefs and thus would be in schism with your personal truth.
As you do with the protestants here as well....still, I will pray for you..
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429537 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
Its sad how you guys don't know how to read the Bible- particularly the Book of Revelation. In your bold pride, you add to John's prophecy with disregard to your soul despite his clear warning what will happen to you.
You guys gave the Church the title 'Roman' Catholic. Then you turn around and say its the 'Roman' Catholic Church and NOT the Roman Empire that John Prophecized!!

Im glad you see the Roman empire in Daniel. That's great!

Now if you study Daniel chapter 2 you will see there are only FOUR empires. There is no 5th. The Roman empire is here when Jesus (the stone) returns to destroy the statue and set up his kingdom.

Then we are told this Roman empire has many 'heads' as one is wounded another takes over.

The Roman empire ended 475 AD only to reform as the holy roman empire that ended in 1798 with Napoleon as Rome's final global empire took over that runs the UN.

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#429538 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Actually some Orthodox and Protestants have looked to the church and implemented policies that have proven to be effective. However your arrogant side is showing again. I said it is being worked on, I didnt say it was over. I said no matter what we do some will sneak by and sins will be committed. I have asked who has done more or is doing more? I dont think you can ever do enough to prevent these issues, but its clearly not being acknowledged by many institutions.
There has been a drastic reduction in accusations and many of the current cases go back 30 years. Studies are being done in other countries and it will be painful, but it needs to be done and it is. That doesnt mean its more prevalent, it means that something is being done. I know the Orthodox have had an ecumenical council to address it right? You streamlined universal policies right? You publish everything quarterly like the church does right? I am pleased with the Orthodox churches who have taken in an interest in working together rather than condemning as you do. However if that helps you sleep at night then by all means fight the good fight.
When the doctor says you are sick I assume you accuse him of condemning you and name call and throw insults at him. I sleep well knowing I have dedicated my life to preventing sexual abuse both in individuals and institutions and have written and implemented policies. Your church has a sickness. It is called sexual abuse and cover up.Open the books. As far as the Orthodox Church is concerned I am not a defender of its wrongs as you are of your church. All the name calling, and accusations, and finger pointing will not change it. Your Church has an illness and can be fixed.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429539 Mar 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I forgive you for calling me names and trying to belittle me.You expressions of love, I will treasure.Christ knows my heart as he knows yours.Stop the name calling please.
I don't need your forgiveness nor do I owe you an apology. I stated the truth. You on the other hand should go to confession for the bile you have been vomiting on this thread. The self righteousness coming from your side is truly amazing. Your heart is looking pretty ugly right now and you should ask forgiveness for that. Your comments are ignorant and hateful and that is a fact. Willfully remaining ignorant to satisfy your burst of rage in unfounded hostility is something you should talk to your priest about.

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#429540 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Actually some Orthodox and Protestants have looked to the church and implemented policies that have proven to be effective. However your arrogant side is showing again. I said it is being worked on, I didnt say it was over. I said no matter what we do some will sneak by and sins will be committed. I have asked who has done more or is doing more? I dont think you can ever do enough to prevent these issues, but its clearly not being acknowledged by many institutions.
There has been a drastic reduction in accusations and many of the current cases go back 30 years. Studies are being done in other countries and it will be painful, but it needs to be done and it is. That doesnt mean its more prevalent, it means that something is being done. I know the Orthodox have had an ecumenical council to address it right? You streamlined universal policies right? You publish everything quarterly like the church does right? I am pleased with the Orthodox churches who have taken in an interest in working together rather than condemning as you do. However if that helps you sleep at night then by all means fight the good fight.
Quit writing policies that will protect you from lawsuits and DO SOMETHING. HOLD SOMEONE IN THE HIERARCHY ACCOUNTABLY ON YOUR OWN AS A CHURCH.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#429541 Mar 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Agree!!!! I,We as Catholics, believe that we are ALL eucumentical bothers and sisters in Christ!
Unfortunately---bible only Protestants "DON'T agree"!
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We Bible only Christians don't agree...because your conjecture cannot be found PROVEN in the Bible..

WE HAVE GOD'S WORD WRITTEN DOWN...

WE HAVE THE WORDS OF JESUS...

JESUS SAID...Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS BELIEVE IS ONLY WRITTEN IN YOUR CATECHISM...

WE BELIEVE IN BEING OBEDIENT TO JESUS AND WE ARE STRIVING TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD...

AS HE SAID..." by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

YOU LIVE BY BREAD AND WINE ALONE...THAT IS YOUR FORT..

GOD'S WORD DON'T MEAN SQUAT TO YOU.

We serve Communion and strive to follow God's word AS IT IS WRITTEN.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429542 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Quit writing policies that will protect you from lawsuits and DO SOMETHING. HOLD SOMEONE IN THE HIERARCHY ACCOUNTABLY ON YOUR OWN AS A CHURCH.
Policies are not written just to protect the church as you ignorantly and arrogantly suggest. You dont have a clue what the church has done nor do you care. You just want to argue. Go blow your smoke somewhere else.

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#429543 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Policies are not written just to protect the church as you ignorantly and arrogantly suggest. You dont have a clue what the church has done nor do you care. You just want to argue. Go blow your smoke somewhere else.
When I first came to this forum I was pro reunion of Churches. I based this on Catholics I have known during my lifetime. Also on my reading, individual study with a sister, and attendance of Catholic Church. You have shown me an ugly side of your church- unrepentant, cruel, arrogant, deceptive, elitist,condemning, etc. Not all Catholics here but some are like you.If you truly represent your church ( which I do not believe) then I could never join with a church that holds itself above all others, continuously brags about its superiority, I unwilling to accept any feedback whatsoever, viciously attacks and hurts people,etc.Your best bet if you truly want reunion is to let the true Catholics speak and maintain a vow of silence.

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#429544 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Policies are not written just to protect the church as you ignorantly and arrogantly suggest. You dont have a clue what the church has done nor do you care. You just want to argue. Go blow your smoke somewhere else.
I base my comment on policies being written to protect an institution from lawsuits on extensive real life experience, not arrogance.I do not want to read policies. I want to see the Church hold hierarchy accountable. Policies only worthwhile when they come off the paper and are alive.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429545 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>When the doctor says you are sick I assume you accuse him of condemning you and name call and throw insults at him. I sleep well knowing I have dedicated my life to preventing sexual abuse both in individuals and institutions and have written and implemented policies. Your church has a sickness. It is called sexual abuse and cover up.Open the books. As far as the Orthodox Church is concerned I am not a defender of its wrongs as you are of your church. All the name calling, and accusations, and finger pointing will not change it. Your Church has an illness and can be fixed.
Nobody has defended wrongs, but if you wish to twist and lie as is your nature then so be it.

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#429546 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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I don't need your forgiveness nor do I owe you an apology. I stated the truth. You on the other hand should go to confession for the bile you have been vomiting on this thread. The self righteousness coming from your side is truly amazing. Your heart is looking pretty ugly right now and you should ask forgiveness for that. Your comments are ignorant and hateful and that is a fact. Willfully remaining ignorant to satisfy your burst of rage in unfounded hostility is something you should talk to your priest about.
Still...I will pray for you....

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#429547 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Nobody has defended wrongs, but if you wish to twist and lie as is your nature then so be it.
We will pray for you...
marge

Ames, IA

#429548 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>When the doctor says you are sick I assume you accuse him of condemning you and name call and throw insults at him. I sleep well knowing I have dedicated my life to preventing sexual abuse both in individuals and institutions and have written and implemented policies. Your church has a sickness. It is called sexual abuse and cover up.Open the books. As far as the Orthodox Church is concerned I am not a defender of its wrongs as you are of your church. All the name calling, and accusations, and finger pointing will not change it. Your Church has an illness and can be fixed.
It can only be fixed if they change their false teachings which lead to it.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429549 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>When I first came to this forum I was pro reunion of Churches. I based this on Catholics I have known during my lifetime. Also on my reading, individual study with a sister, and attendance of Catholic Church. You have shown me an ugly side of your church- unrepentant, cruel, arrogant, deceptive, elitist,condemning, etc. Not all Catholics here but some are like you.If you truly represent your church ( which I do not believe) then I could never join with a church that holds itself above all others, continuously brags about its superiority, I unwilling to accept any feedback whatsoever, viciously attacks and hurts people,etc.Your best bet if you truly want reunion is to let the true Catholics speak and maintain a vow of silence.
LOL...Said the arrogant self proclaimed scholar who can't hold an argument with intellect so launches tirades of unsourced and untrue articles. Ignores Orthodox links and what is said by his Patriarchs so he can blast a tirade of emotions not based in fact. You are a sad person Herme and I could never tolerate you. You are nothing but a big ball of estrogen with no substance.

Adhominem tirades are for the weak. It is your calling.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#429550 Mar 24, 2013
encouragement in their walk with God; and (5) remember God’s faithfulness during times that are difficult.


Remembering Our Place When Wronged

Thursday, March 07, 2013

by John Henderson

Then his brothers also came and fell down before him and said,“Behold, we are your servants.” But Joseph said to them,“Do not be afraid, for am I in God's place?”(Genesis 50:18-19)

We find in Joseph a kind of humble grace that deserves our thought and appreciation. His brothers had wronged him severely. They had sold him into slavery and death. Years later, as second in power to Pharaoh in Egypt, Joseph is given an opportunity for retribution. It would be easy to assume that God was providing a chance for him to even the score. What would you do if you were in Joseph’s place?

I am amazed by how he responded. The posture Joseph takes is contrary to our sinful nature and wholly divine. Clearly the Spirit of God abides in him. Mankind tends not to act in this way. None of us tend to act this way. When hurt and abused, we tend to be quicker to punish and revile. We need help. We need God abiding in us. We need to believe and practice what Joseph believed and practiced.

Remember the place of God – to assume the seat of judge upon the souls of others is to forget the Lord has already filled the seat. It is like a pardoned convict demanding the judge step aside so that he may evaluate and sentence a fellow criminal. The Father has given the position of Judge to His Son.[1] Not one of us can bear the burden, nor would we exercise the chair with wisdom that is fitting. We can take comfort, however, that God is Judge enough. He dispenses mercy and wrath in perfect seasons and proportions.

Remember the place of Self – a recipient of grace. Perhaps we are offended in the present situation, but we have often assumed the other spot. Whether we recall the incidents or not, the Lord remembers countless moments when His grace was extended to us, undeserved. Our grit and savvy did not secure our pardon, but God’s grace in Jesus Christ.“Who can say,‘I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin’?”[2]

Remember the ways of God – they are righteous and pure. They have always been righteous and pure.“For I proclaim the name of the LORD; ascribe greatness to our God! The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He.”[3] We can trust our God. We can trust His works. Since the foundation of the world, He has proved Himself holy beyond measure. His law is perfect. His wrath upon sinners is perfect. His wrath was so perfect that the sacrifice of His Son was necessary to satisfy it. Indeed, His grace is perfect too.

Remember the ways of Self – they are prideful and distorted. Whatever true justice we perceive and dispense is a gift from God anyway. It is not of us or from us. If we had our way, then true grace and mercy wouldn’t happen. Justice wouldn’t either. We cannot trust ourselves. We cannot trust our works. It is not our instinct to redeem, or absorb transgression, or overlook a fault in love. The Spirit must train our hearts to believe and apply the gospel in these forms.

Next time we are offended, as those who counsel the word of God to life, let us pray for the Lord to bring these verses and truths to our minds. Let us pray to give the same mercy we have received. Then we will better understand what it means to be children of God.“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.”[4]

[1]John 5:22

[2]Proverbs 20:9

[3]Deuteronomy 32:3-4

[4]Matthew 5:44-45

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#429551 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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LOL...Said the arrogant self proclaimed scholar who can't hold an argument with intellect so launches tirades of unsourced and untrue articles. Ignores Orthodox links and what is said by his Patriarchs so he can blast a tirade of emotions not based in fact. You are a sad person Herme and I could never tolerate you. You are nothing but a big ball of estrogen with no substance.
Adhominem tirades are for the weak. It is your calling.
since now you are on the playground hurling insults as I often see you do with others,I will reserve my time for intelligent Catholics that one can have dialogue with. I will look for you from time to time here on the corner with your shopping bag and rolled down socks screaming insults at passers by that may care enough about your Church and may believe its members are mature and intelligent enough to engage in meaningful dialogue.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429552 Mar 24, 2013
marge wrote:
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It can only be fixed if they change their false teachings which lead to it.
You mean the ones that are largely identical to ours? lol Yeah Marge I know its non existent in your church and you and your Protestant buddies ought to really let them know what you really think. They arent saved and worhship idols and Mary and pray to dead people and believe Mary was sinless, recgenerative baptism and cannibal rituals. Who cares as long as they trash on the Catholic church and the Pope right? Good stuff Marge. Lets see how your buddies respond when you go after the true Orthodox church and all their false teachings.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429553 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
You guys gave the Church the title 'Roman' Catholic. Then you turn around and say its the 'Roman' Catholic Church

You are in such denial. Maybe it's Roman due to the pope in Rome at the Vatican in Rome?

After the Roman empire fell in 476AD the eastern emperor ran the empire. The pope was still in Rome. In 533 eastern emperor Justinian decreed the pope head of the western empire and sent a general to free Rome of the goths. This began the Papal States & Holy Roman Empire, in infancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States

The religious Roman empire that rises after the fall of Imperial Rome is found in Daniel 7 the "little horn" that speaks blasphemy against the most high and wears out the Saints for 1260 years!

The symbolism is then found in Revelation chapters 13 & 17, including the harlot.

The harlot like the "bride of Christ" is a Christian church. The harlot is a corrupt church of Rome that rides the beast / empire.

Only one church empire ever did this.


MOST Bible students,(even Catholics) find the Roman Empire in prophecy.

MANY also find the Roman Church is that harlot & beast.

FEW have yet to correctly identify Rome's new empire that took over after the end of the holy roman empire.

• The beast from the bottomless pit

www.geocities.ws/pitbeast/
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#429554 Mar 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
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since now you are on the playground hurling insults as I often see you do with others,I will reserve my time for intelligent Catholics that one can have dialogue with. I will look for you from time to time here on the corner with your shopping bag and rolled down socks screaming insults at passers by that may care enough about your Church and may believe its members are mature and intelligent enough to engage in meaningful dialogue.
LOL..Like I said Herme you are weak. Your wife was hurling the insults which were not necessary at all and good ole Herme came to rescue her because her heart is bigger than the Grinches before Christmas. lol You engaged in unfounded slander. I posted facts. You posted conjecture, innuendo. You lost and so you leaped to usual wild irrational form which is your forte. I really feel sorry for you that you are incapable of any kind of reason or intelligent dialogue. However please stop representing yourself as a scholar of anything. It truly is sad you are not capable of any truth or arguing with any skill. You do have a way with twisting and not answering things posed to you. Its really quite sad to see. Have a nice night and dont wear yourself out praying for me save some of those for yourself and your wife for the ugliness you started.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429555 Mar 24, 2013

Roman Catholic Nancy Pelosi - New World Order!

http://youtu.be/9d-jkF5Pjrc

The NWO replaced the holy roman empire.

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Governme...



• Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers
www.youtube.com/watch...
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot....
www.newadvent.org/cathen/03381a.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Maryland



The Hierarchy of the Roman Empire now called the Roman Church

Roman Empire offices & their modern names:

Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) renamed: Roman Catholic Church.

Curia (legal body of Senators) slight name change: Curia (legal body of Cardinals).

Roman Emperor renamed: Roman Pope (head of all church and state affairs).

Civil government matters of state: Extra-Ordinary affairs (matters of civil-state governments).

Religious orders matters: Church "ecclesiastical" matters.

Roman College of Senators renamed: College of Cardinals.

Magistrate of College of Senators renamed: Dean of College of Cardinals.

Departments of the Roman Senatorial Curia renamed: Congregations.

Political Ambassador renamed: Pro-Nuncio (highest civil ambassador sent to other governements, ie Wash.DC, London etc).

Roman Senators renamed: Cardinals.

Roman Governors renamed: Archbishops.

Roman Senator with no territory: Bishop (Code of Canon Law 376).

(Large) Roman Province renamed: Archdiocese.

(Small) Roman Territory renamed: Diocese.

Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat renamed: Throne of St. Peter.

Vestal Virgins renamed: Nuns.

Pontifex Maximus (high priest of College of Senators) renamed: Supreme Pontiff of College of Cardinals.

Pontiff or "high priest " of a pagan religious order (Zues, Apollo, Diana, Mars, Jupiter, Baal, Dionysys, Pythia etc) same name: Pontiff.

A Pontiff (Latin: "pontifex") means bridge-builder or priest between man and the gods.

The Roman Calender and Holy Days of the gods renamed: Calendar Holidays of the Saints.

Voice of the gods speaking through Caesar: Ex-Cathedra: Voice of God speaking through Pope.

Meeting of the Pontiffs (high priests) of the pagan religious orders renamed: Ecumenical Council of the Bishops.

Legal act of creating a god (of a living or dead human, as was done to most of the Caesars) "Apotheosis of the Gods" renamed: Canonization of the Saints.

A decree of Caesar (dictator for life): Pope's infalliable Papal Bull.

Praying to a dead human god renamed: Praying to a saint.

In the US the highest law of the land is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the Vatican State the Constitution is called the Code of Canon Law.


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