Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 589933 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at CBC News.

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#428163 Mar 16, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Who died for all the people who came before?
The story in the scriptures claim a man named Jesus died, because a crowd of people screamed for his death. The small crowd made the decision.
.. In order for the story to be told Jesus had to piss off his very own religious leaders so bad that they wanted him dead. Thats not good!
The tiny crowd made the life living or dying choice. Jesus or Barabas. Right? If the crowd determined the fate of this man how would christianity have ever started if the crowd had screamed Barabas instead? It was 50/50, black or white, heads or tails, Jesus or Barabas......right?
Just like the adam and eve story that you believe. If eve said to the talking serpent, NO! I will not eat from the tree of knowledge, there would be no reason for the Jesus story years later..... right?
Its all theatrics. Can't you see that?
If Eve said no, we would have a perfect world.
God wanted a perfect world, sin killed that idea. God sent Jesus to renew the world with him dying on the cross. God gave us free will, that’s what you have. It’s up to you to follow or not follow. It’s a 50/50 chance for you….sin or not. Now...... don’t tell me you are perfect, you and I both know you are NOT. Only GOD is perfect.

Watch 'The Bible" on the History Ch. Sunday night 8pm EST.
You'll get the answers there.[since I’m sure you do not read the Bible]
http://www.history.com/shows/the-bible

You may also enjoy this video….

Former Atheist/New Age, Kelly Nieto,
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428164 Mar 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
Question for you and '7th day Catholics Rock':
Acts 20:7 "on the first day of the week, we gather together to break bread"

Breaking bread is the Holy Mass. The first day of the week is Sunday. Since Breaking bread is participating in the Holy Eucharist, Christians were required to refrain from work on Sunday and observe the day the Lord rose from the dead and acknowledging the gift they just received in the Holy Eucharist.

Breaking bread was an actual meal the believers had on this Saturday evening. The Biblical day begins at sunset. That night Paul preached his farewell sermon, "ready to depart the next day (Sunday)." At "daybreak" (verse 11). They were to go on a long journey. Something they would never do on the Sabbath.

We can give a sermon on any day. But it is the 7th day that remains the Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath continued to be observed by the Christians.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles sought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath... And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Hebrews 4:4-8 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ... For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.

and many others too numerous to post: Sabbath Zone
www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/...

You see if God's law had changed it would say; Jesus would have said upon his resurrection. Instead Jesus told the believers to take heed on the Sabbath.

We are told what was "nailed to the cross" or changed in Col 2:14-17 -- the sacrificial system & yearly sabbaths. Jesus is the high priest (Heb 4:14) there is no earthly priesthood, and God's law remains forever - all ten.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428165 Mar 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
Now, radical fundies claim Constantine established Sunday so it would be a pagan celebration.
Since this has been proven to be a ridiculous claim, do you still hold it to be true?

They even passed laws to enforce all Christians to observe Sunday.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out anathema from Christ." Council of Laodicea, c. A.D. 364

There was also an earlier decree or law at the time of Constantine. The quote is online.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the Lord's Day. The resurrection is commemmorated in baptism.

"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Colossians 2:12

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.... knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:4-6

socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428166 Mar 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
"Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever all of you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever all of you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Peter was given authority from God to dictate what day of the week Christians would observe.
Do you say Peter over stepped his authority. I'm trying to figure out why you guys believe how you believe.

This was said of just Peter but the entire churchof believers. And no we do not have any authority to change God's law. There are warnings for changing any part of the Bible in Rev 22.
Clay wrote:
I think Ellen White (like so many other private Popes) saw a passage or theme in the Bible, and went Awol. She thought she just caught Christians celebrating the wrong day! She was able to point to her new Bible, and get other idiots to subscribe to this SDA Crap!
What say you?

There are no Biblical popes. However with this White character I was caught up in that for a while (10 years) so can comment, briefly. Catholics too have many mystics they claim get revelation from God. We are told in the Bible our sons and daughter will dream dreams and have visions. So, each claim has to be looked at seriously. If it agrees with the Bible then there may be something usefull. However today im of the opinion these dreams and visions are for the individual's own personal use as led by the Holy spirit, and not to lead others since there is no way to verify anything new.

Ellen White did not invent the Sabbath. There are over 500 denominations who keep the correct 7th day Sabbath. She is wrong about some things (not as much as the Catholic) but not wrong about the Sabbath.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#428167 Mar 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Making up history will not wash your hands sir.
Besides...
The Catholic Church could never stop idiots from reading a Bible Passage and forming their own Christianity- which is exactly what the founder of your Pentecostal group did, about a 100 yrs ago!
They read acts and thought,'gee, lets be like that group in the upper room and speak in tongues!'
Its foolish in every sense of the word..
~~~

To disagree with me is one thing and say derogatory things about me.
is of no consequence...I refuse to be offended...
but
to Blaspheme the Holy Ghost is very dangerous ....
It can consign a person to hell.

Jesus said...

Mar_3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar_3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#428168 Mar 16, 2013
Q. Why do Catholics believe that Peter the Apostle was the first Pope, when the word "Pope" doesn't even appear in Catholic Bibles?

Q. Just where does the Pope get his authority to rule over the Catholic Church?

A.
"True, the word "Pope" doesn't appear in the Bible – but then neither do the words "Trinity," "Incarnation," "Ascension" and "Bible" appear in the Bible. However, they are referred to by other names. The Bible, for example, is referred to as

"Scripture." The Pope, which means head bishop of

the Church, is referred to as the "rock" of the

Church, or as the "shepherd" of the Church.

Christ used that terminology when He appointed the

Apostle Peter the first head bishop of His Church,

saying: "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona ...

Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my

church." (Matt. 16:17-19). "There shall be one

fold and one shepherd." (John 10:16). "Feed my

lambs ... feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17). The

words "rock" and "shepherd" must apply to Peter,

and they must distinguish him as the head Apostle,

otherwise Christ's statements are so ambiguous as

to be meaningless. Certainly the other Apostles

understood that Peter had authority from Christ to

lead the Church, for they gave him the presiding

place every time they assembled in council (Acts

1:15, 5:1-10), and they placed his name first

every time they listed the names of the Apostles.

(Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13-14, Acts 1:13)."
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428169 Mar 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
You're disagreements are not little theological differences for goodness sakes. The very path to salvation is at stake. Sola fide or fide + works!
One of ya are preaching something that Jesus Christ does did not teach. Yet, you seem oblivious to that fact; as if its all ok so as long as you're united against the 'evil Catholic Church and their anti Christ Pope' lol.
You're perishing in your disputes.

Sola Scriptura includes works for "faith without works is dead."

God's 10C law and the faith of Jesus atones for sin.

The old covenant was: God's law and the sacrificial system.

Jesus is the high priest. there is no more temple service here on earth.(Heb 4:14)
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428170 Mar 16, 2013
StarC wrote:
Q. Why do Catholics believe that Peter the Apostle was the first Pope, when the word "Pope" doesn't even appear in Catholic Bibles?
Q. Just where does the Pope get his authority to rule over the Catholic Church?
A.
"True, the word "Pope" doesn't appear in the Bible – but then neither do the words "Trinity," "Incarnation," "Ascension" and "Bible" appear in the Bible. However, they are referred to by other names. The Bible, for example, is referred to as
"Scripture." The Pope, which means head bishop of
the Church, is referred to as the "rock" of the
Church, or as the "shepherd" of the Church.
Christ used that terminology when He appointed the
Apostle Peter the first head bishop of His Church,
saying: "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona ...
Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church." (Matt. 16:17-19). "There shall be one
fold and one shepherd." (John 10:16). "Feed my
lambs ... feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17). The
words "rock" and "shepherd" must apply to Peter,
and they must distinguish him as the head Apostle,
otherwise Christ's statements are so ambiguous as
to be meaningless. Certainly the other Apostles
understood that Peter had authority from Christ to
lead the Church, for they gave him the presiding
place every time they assembled in council (Acts
1:15, 5:1-10), and they placed his name first
every time they listed the names of the Apostles.
(Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13-14, Acts 1:13)."

No those verses do not say what you claim they say. It is called Gnosticism. Simon Magus founded your Roman Church, not Peter. Peter never went to Rome, that was Paul.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#428171 Mar 16, 2013
Q.
Why do Catholics call their priests "Father" despite the fact that Christ said: "Call no man on earth your father; for one is your Father, who is in heaven"!(Matt. 23:9).

A.
Catholics call their priests "Father" because in

all matters pertaining to Christ's holy faith they

perform the duties of a father, representing God.

The priest is the agent of the Christian's

supernatural birth and sustenance in the world.

"Father" is a title which does not conflict in the

slightest with Matthew 23:9. Christ forbids the

Christian to acknowledge any fatherhood which

conflicts with the Fatherhood of God – just as He

commands the Christian to "hate" his father,

mother, wife, and his own life, insofar as these

conflict with the following of Christ.(Luke

14:26). But Christ does not forbid Christians to

call His own representatives by the name of

"Father." Catholic priests share in the

priesthood of Jesus Christ (not a human

priesthood), and their sacred ministry partakes of

the Fatherhood of God. Like St. Paul (himself a

Catholic priest), every Catholic priest can refer

to the souls he has spiritually begotten as his

children in Christ.(1 Cor. 4:14). St. Paul

considered himself to be the spiritual father, in

Christ, of the Corinthians: "For if you have ten

thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many

fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I

have begotten you." (I Cor. 4:15). The title of

"Father" is entirely proper for an ordained priest

of Jesus Christ.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428172 Mar 16, 2013
guest wrote:
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we need to go back and find my post, I forgot where it is. It lists scripture describing Jesus relationship with God the Father before he was transferred to earth to live as a human.
again with everything i have read,adam was the first being of gods likeness to be created,if Jesus was there with god in heaven at the same time,then how can there be a one god theory? and nowhere is it written that would be a true statement.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#428173 Mar 16, 2013
ORIGIN OF CHRIST'S CHURCH

The Bible teaches that the true Church began with Christ over 2000 years ago, not with men or women 15 to 19 centuries later. It was founded when Our Lord spoke the following and other similar words:

Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go , therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and , I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

COMMENT: History proves that the First Protestant Church was the Lutheran, founded in 1517 by the ex-priest Martin Luther; all other of the some 42,800 sects have been created since then.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428174 Mar 16, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
890 745 473 416
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See???? Did I not tell you????
you didn't tell me anything,if you stop and think about the stories in the bible that is what it boils down too.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428175 Mar 16, 2013
StarC wrote:
COMMENT: History proves that the First Protestant Church was the Lutheran, founded in 1517 by the ex-priest Martin Luther; all other of the some 42,800 sects have been created since then.

Meaningless. I can start a church tomorrow and presto a new denomination!

Our relationship with God is between You and Jesus alone.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428176 Mar 16, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
again with everything i have read,adam was the first being of gods likeness to be created,if Jesus was there with god in heaven at the same time,then how can there be a one god theory? and nowhere is it written that would be a true statement.
jethro, there is a trinity or Godhead we are told.

John 1:1-3,10,11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not.

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heb 1:1,2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.

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John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:

16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you.

16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

17:5 And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.

20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:

also, 1 Jn 5:7

"Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if you can tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#428177 Mar 16, 2013
StarC wrote:
ORIGIN OF CHRIST'S CHURCH
The Bible teaches that the true Church began with Christ over 2000 years ago, not with men or women 15 to 19 centuries later. It was founded when Our Lord spoke the following and other similar words:
Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go , therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and , I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
COMMENT: History proves that the First Protestant Church was the Lutheran, founded in 1517 by the ex-priest Martin Luther; all other of the some 42,800 sects have been created since then.
COMMENT: History proves that the First Protestant Church was the Lutheran, founded in 1517 by the ex-priest Martin Luther; all other of the some 42,800 sects have been created since then.

~~~

There were others before Martin Luther, but

The Roman Catholic church torched the at stake put them on racks and pulled their bodies apart and put them to death in the most heinous ways. For over a period of 650 years...while burning all the Bibles they could confiscate...

They tried to do away with Luther but God was with Him and kept them from doing so...

Very few dictators in earth's history, destroyed more innocent people than the Roman Catholic Church..and THEY of all things did it in the name of God...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428178 Mar 16, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro8: Why don't you send or email these comments of yours to the "editorial section" of your local newspaper, because "the back pages" of the "opinion section" is the ONLY PLACE that your "personal views" would even by given any (corner) "copy space"!
I/we as Catholics will "continue" to stick with the VALID, VERIFIED and PROVEN TRUTH of over 2000 years of TRUE Church History and the TRUE interpretation of the Bible! YOU my friend can do, believe and "editorialized" (everything and anything) you want! Because it is ALL PERSONAL (bogus) OPINION!!!
we as Catholics will "continue" to stick with the VALID, VERIFIED and PROVEN TRUTH of over 2000 years of TRUE Church History and the TRUE interpretation of the Bible!...JETHRO:again the same old statement,yet no actual valid,verified,proven truth,from any scripture or bible,the only one that believes your so called truth is the man made roman pagan/christian church, no one else does,because nothing of their traditions can be authenticated as being holy,divine or what ever you want to call it,the only pogus opinions here come from you and the church.
Clay

United States

#428179 Mar 16, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
To disagree with me is one thing and say derogatory things about me.
is of no consequence...I refuse to be offended...
but
to Blaspheme the Holy Ghost is very dangerous ....
It can consign a person to hell.
Jesus said...
Mar_3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar_3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
You'd like to believe I blasphemed the Holy Ghost so you could celebrate watching me sink into hell...you're more concerned with being 'right' then anything else.
You just manipulated Mark 3:29 to use as a weapon to falsely accuse me of something I did not do. I did not blaspheme the Holy Spirit and you know it. You however did, when you claimed the Holy Spirit is allowing you to speak in tongues and play with snakes and interpret Sacred Scripture. That's Blasphemy!

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#428180 Mar 16, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
No those verses do not say what you claim they say. It is called Gnosticism. Simon Magus founded your Roman Church, not Peter. Peter never went to Rome, that was Paul.
Simon Magus, the magician [LOL] too funny!!! Are you sure a magician didn’t start your church???!!!

“The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5–6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ’s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else.

Some argue that in this passage there is a minor difference between the Greek term for Peter (Petros) and the term for rock (petra), yet they ignore the obvious explanation: petra, a feminine noun, has simply been modifed to have a masculine ending, since one would not refer to a man (Peter) as feminine. The change in the gender is purely for stylistic reasons. These critics also neglect the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and, as John 1:42 tells us, in everyday life he actually referred to Peter as Kepha or Cephas (depending on how it is transliterated). It is that term which is then translated into Greek as petros. Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: "You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church."
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/origins-of-pet...

Saint Peter arrived in Rome for the first time in about AD 44. This coincides with the martyrdom of St James the Greater and St Peter's arrest in Jerusalem and subsequent departure:
“But he, beckoning to them with his hand to hold their peace, told how the Lord had brought him out of prison. And he said: Tell these things to James and to the brethren. And going out, he went into another place.”(Acts 12:17,)
Here, Peter departure to "another place," is his departure from Jerusalem to Rome. After the imprisonment and attempted murder of Peter, the Apostle's location throughout the New Testament is kept secret and hidden.Saint Peter established the Church in Rome from AD 43 till AD 49 when he and all Jews were expelled from Rome by the decree of Claudius in AD 49. Why were they expelled?

According to Roman historians the Jews were expelled from the city of Rome in AD 49 because the Roman Jews were fighting over a Jew named "Chrestus." [Christ]

Hmmm...Jews in Rome fighting over "Chrestus"...there must have been a mighty preacher (Pope) of "Chrestus" or "Christ" in Rome in the AD 40s to lead to all that infighting within the synagogues! This has Peter's fingerprints all over it.
Clay

United States

#428181 Mar 16, 2013
Tomorrow is Saint Patricks Day.
A couple facts for the fundies:
- Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland WITHOUT a Bible.
- Saint Patrick showed the Irish the Shamrock, to help them understand the Trinity...The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They could not read or write even if he had a Bible to give them. The three leaf shamrock was something they could grasp to 'get' who Jesus is. Yes, a graven image was used if a real shamrock wasn't available.(you think God was jealous of it??)
- Saint Patrick brought the Holy Mass to the Irish and the Eucharist converted them to Jesus Christ with the visual image of the shamrock helping em understand with they were partaking in.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428182 Mar 16, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro, there is a trinity or Godhead we are told.
John 1:1-3,10,11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not.
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Heb 1:1,2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
-
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.
20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:
also, 1 Jn 5:7
"Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if you can tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)
trinity:the father/the son/the holy ghost.not all at once but one at a time,so god and Jesus could not have been in heaven together,there is nothing written to support the theory.

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