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Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427018 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you can't respond and make sense at the same time, doesn't make someone else an idiot.
Do you ask your friends and family to Pray for you or not?
Did Christ say the only prayer we absolutely can do, is the Our Father?
Can we sing praise to him?
Can we pray the prayer of thanks for dinner without it being the Our Father?
Again Clay..these are Christ's words when He was asked how to pray:
Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:
“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”

**So you're saying that when Christ was asked a question, He didn't respond with the whole truth?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427019 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we sing praise to him?
Can we pray the prayer of thanks for dinner without it being the Our Father?
Yes but you don't pray only to God. You pray to Mary.

Do you even know the context of what Jesus is saying about the Our Father? Please explain...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427020 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Christ say the only prayer we absolutely can do, is the Our Father?
Hope this helps Clay. Most likely it won't:

“Our Father in heaven” is teaching us whom to address our prayers to—the Father.“Hallowed be your name” is telling us to worship God, and to praise Him for who He is. The phrase “your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven” is a reminder to us that we are to pray for God’s plan in our lives and the world, not our own plan. We are to pray for God’s will to be done, not for our desires. We are encouraged to ask God for the things we need in “give us today our daily bread.”“Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” reminds us to confess our sins to God and to turn from them, and also to forgive others as God has forgiven us.

**Not once does Jesus talk about praying to anyone other than God.
The Our Father is not what we pray but it is the example of how we pray.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427021 Mar 11, 2013
Christ did not teach us to pray "canned prayers"...

Step 1 “Our Father Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.”

This is the call to praise and worship. Take time to honor the Lord and consider His greatness. Remember His faithfulness to you and be encouraged by His promises.

Step 2 “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.”

Align yourself with God’s will, and listen so you can know His desires. Proclaim God’s will over your life, family, church, the lost, etc. Wait and allow the Lord to share His heart and will with you.

Step 3 “Give us this day our daily bread.”

Ask God for your needs and the needs of others. Be specific, and ask in faith for anything you know the Lord wants to give you ie. Ask and I will give you the nations as an inheritance.(see step 2).

Step 4 “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”

Ask God for forgiveness in any areas of known sin, and speak out forgiveness toward anyone you have not forgiven.

Step 5 “And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

Ask God for the grace to stand firm in the face of temptation and resist the schemes of the enemy. Remembering to look to Jesus for the way of escape.

Step 6 “For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.”

Finish with proclaiming who God is and exalting His name. Take time to thank Him for the answers to come, and to worship Him.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427022 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes but you don't pray only to God. You pray to Mary.
Do you even know the context of what Jesus is saying about the Our Father? Please explain...
Apparently I don't..
I see Christ instituting a beautiful prayer. One that is a guideline on how to Pray.
I also see Jesus and the Apostles praying in the NT, prayers that are not the 'Our Father'.
I see an entire book made up of prayers, that don't include the 'Our Father'
I see the Apostles commanding us to Pray for one another, and they do not specify it has to be the Our Father.
We pray with Mary just like we pray WITH our friends on Earth.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427023 Mar 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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<quoted text>
Calling God ignorant tells all that is needed to know about your Spiritual status!!!!!
Taking peoples words out of context on purpose is a sin. Repent Ox.... To one of the two divine beings you believe in.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427024 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently I don't..
I see Christ instituting a beautiful prayer. One that is a guideline on how to Pray.
I also see Jesus and the Apostles praying in the NT, prayers that are not the 'Our Father'.
I see an entire book made up of prayers, that don't include the 'Our Father'
I see the Apostles commanding us to Pray for one another, and they do not specify it has to be the Our Father.
We pray with Mary just like we pray WITH our friends on Earth.
Clay said: I also see Jesus and the Apostles praying in the NT - and none are to Mary

Clay said: I see an entire book made up of prayers, that don't include the 'Our Father'- and none are to Mary

**so catholics are the only ones who pray to Mary. That is unless you can show me where the Apostles prayed to Mary.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427025 Mar 11, 2013
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Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently I don't..
I see Christ instituting a beautiful prayer. One that is a guideline on how to Pray.
I also see Jesus and the Apostles praying in the NT, prayers that are not the 'Our Father'.
I see an entire book made up of prayers, that don't include the 'Our Father'
I see the Apostles commanding us to Pray for one another, and they do not specify it has to be the Our Father.
We pray with Mary just like we pray WITH our friends on Earth.
You do not pray with Mary!!!! That is impossible....she ain't with you!!!

What you Catholics do is pray to her...the exact opposite of what Christ taught!!!!
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427026 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hope this helps Clay. Most likely it won't:
“Our Father in heaven” is teaching us whom to address our prayers to—the Father.“Hallowed be your name” is telling us to worship God, and to praise Him for who He is. The phrase “your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven” is a reminder to us that we are to pray for God’s plan in our lives and the world, not our own plan. We are to pray for God’s will to be done, not for our desires. We are encouraged to ask God for the things we need in “give us today our daily bread.”“Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” reminds us to confess our sins to God and to turn from them, and also to forgive others as God has forgiven us.
**Not once does Jesus talk about praying to anyone other than God.
The Our Father is not what we pray but it is the example of how we pray.
So in your logic, we can ask anybody on Earth to Pray for us. But we can't ask any of the Angels, Saints or Mary... Even though they are literally in the presence of God.

"An Angel came and stood at the alter with a Golden censer and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the Saints upon the Golden alter before the throne. And the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints by the hand of the Angel before God."
Rev 8: 3-4

Wat about prayers to our Guardian Angels?

Jesus says, "see that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that in Heaven, their Angels always see the face of my Father who is in Heaven"

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427027 Mar 11, 2013
023 012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Taking peoples words out of context on purpose is a sin. Repent Ox.... To one of the two divine beings you believe in.
Your words!!!! Quote: When God sees an image of Mary holding the crucified Jesus, He gets jealous, according to Confrint? Who can explain such inexcusable ignorance?

You are calling God ignorant because he gets jealous when He sees an image of Mary holding the crucified Christ!!!!
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427028 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
So in your logic, we can ask anybody on Earth to Pray for us. But we can't ask any of the Angels, Saints or Mary... Even though they are literally in the presence of God.
"An Angel came and stood at the alter with a Golden censer and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the Saints upon the Golden alter before the throne. And the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints by the hand of the Angel before God."
Rev 8: 3-4
Wat about prayers to our Guardian Angels?
Jesus says, "see that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that in Heaven, their Angels always see the face of my Father who is in Heaven"
Do you have loved ones who have died? Do you pray to them?

What does this have to do with praying?
Jesus says, "see that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that in Heaven, their Angels always see the face of my Father who is in Heaven"

**You are gonzo Clay

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#427029 Mar 11, 2013
http://www.romereports.com/palio/a-look-at-th...

March 11,2013 ( Romereports.com ) It all happens here in the Sistine Chapel. Surrounded by the priceless art of Michelangelo, cardinals come together to elect a Pope.

But it wasn't always like this. Centuries ago, the voting process was quite different. In fact, it was a different group all together, that elected the Pope.

AMBROGIO PIAZZONI
Vatican's Apostolic Library, Director
“At first, the election of a Pope, was much like the way bishops were elected in the first century. It was the Christian community, so really the Christian assembly of Rome who would chose Rome's bishop, who in essence, then became the Pope.”

But with time, the Church began to grow, so to prevent any outside influences from filtering in the election process, a Pope called for change and marked a new direction for the Church.

AMBROGIO PIAZZONI
Vatican's Apostolic Library, Director
“It was Pope Leo IX, who in the year 1049, concretely decided that it would be only

Cardinals who would elect a Pope.”

Even though the Conclave has take place in the Sistine Chapel for years now, it was never the official site, until John Paul II added a clause to the apostolic constitution.

It's an election process where religion, tradition, mystery, suspense and quite often, surprise come together.

AMBROGIO PIAZZONI
Vatican's Apostolic Library, Director
“Usually the elected Pope is different from what people expect or imagine. I would say that maybe 12 or 15 times, the person who was believed to be elected as Pope, actually was. That's not a high number, considering there have been roughly 300 Papal elections.”

It's all held behind closed doors, hence the name 'conclave,' meaning with key. Each cardinal has an assigned seat...and so, the voting process begins, marking another chapter in the history of the Church.

Goes to show how important The True Church of Christ is to the World!!

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#427030 Mar 11, 2013
“ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK: HARSH LANGUAGE NEGATES THE ESSENCE OF GOODNESS AND CHRISTIANITY

If you see a Christian with a hardened heart, you are not really seeing a Christian.

Astonishing it is that a person can carry forth beautiful devotions, show great allegiance to a certain manner of worship, demonstrate unerring diligence in church attendance, and then cast aspersion and harsh assessments on everyone else (especially anyone who doesn't practice the faith exactly as he or she does).

Tragically, this negates everything else, as Scripture tells us. Take (3/8/13) Mass reading: "One of the scribes came to Jesus and asked Him,'Which is the first of all the commandments?' Jesus replied,'The first is this: Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these'”(Mark 12:28-34).

A shame it is, those who are diligent and traditional but speak with that harshness.

So full of pride are we all that we believe anyone who disagrees with us is worthy of insult.”

Behind this is the devil. Scripture calls it the "viper's tongue" (Job 20:16). It is especially pervasive in politics. Everyone has declared war on everyone else. "Thou salt be hid from the scourge of the tongue," says Job 5:21.

"Is there injustice on my tongue?" asks Job 6:30 (speaking of discernment!). "Cannot my taste discern mischievous things?"

Indeed, by their tone you will know them. When we criticize others, it tells us more about ourselves than the person under our harsh magnification. "Who have whet their tongue like a sword, and have aimed their arrows, even bitter words?" asks Psalms 64:3. And Psalms 140:3: "They have sharpened their tongue like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips."

How many nasty e-mails have you seen in your day? Or texts? Or blog posts? Hopefully you have not written them.

Poison seems to be the vapor of the internet.

The tongue of the wise is health; the tongue of the rash, a piercing sword.

It is a time of noise over substance; of raw emotion. Snide snobbery is the currency of bloggers. Opinions are formulated and shouted with little information. "Fools poureth out folly," says Proverbs 15:12 -- in sort of a harsh assessment of harsh assessment.

Our tongues are meant to praise God -- not denigrate others."If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal," says 1 Corinthians 13:1.

Give rage up for Lent; then give it up forever.

http://www.spiritdaily.com/attack.htm
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427031 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have loved ones who have died? Do you pray to them?
What does this have to do with praying?
Jesus says, "see that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that in Heaven, their Angels always see the face of my Father who is in Heaven"
**You are gonzo Clay
1. Yes, I have an aunt who devoted her life to prayer. I asked her often to pray for me. After she passed on, I asked her to pray for again. I believed it worked. Actually I know it worked.
2. Jesus is saying their Angels are in the presence of His father. Its a no brainer to ask for their prayers. Do we bypass Jesus? No of course not. And neither do the Angels.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#427032 Mar 11, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Its clear. You don't like anyone who isn't JUST LIKE YOU.
You don't like people born protestant and what they stand for. You don't like anyone who speaks out against sexual abusive clergy in your church and those that covered it up. YOu don't like any catholic who is liberal that includes the american cardinals who have been declared liberal compared to all the european and Italian cardinals. YOu don't like many catholic news publications, you don't like the 47,000 nuns in america who want equality and justice, you just want everyone to think and be just like you.
What a sad little man you are.
I like everyone.......and I don't care what religion they were born into or practice.
remember, God has no religion.
Wrong again--Michael--which "summarizes" just about "everything that you say. I "show respect" to Protestants, Muslims, atheists, agnostics,bible only believers and even "fallen away Catholics" who (in turn) "show respect" toward the Catholic faith and the faith and salvation of other Catholics. You, Michael, wouldn't know about that, because you are so (blindly) "caught up" in your hostile ()exaggerated) anti-catholic bashing attacks against the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church, that "finding the TRUTH" is furtherest thing in your mind!!---In addition, these exaggerated "made up" statistics and comments from you, are so "full of holes" that you are beginning to be "a joke"! There are no "liberal Cardinals" in the U.S. Michael, but in your case, "this sounds good" because you just hope that "nobody" would take the time to "check out" these "trash can" editorial opinions of yours..... Your "47,000 (emancipated nuns) who want (as you say) equality) can "go down the street" to the nearest "Protestant, become women ministers along with the homosexual preachers and attend their Sunday only (go meeting social) Church where each person can (make up their own "relative truth"-- and sing "kumbia"! No one is forcing these "retirement age Nuns" to remain in the biblical and historical TRUTH of the Catholic Church...... God, in and through His Son Jesus Christ, created one (and only one) Church, one faith, one doctrine, one FULLNESS of TRUTH, and only one religion, not 42,000 contradicting and inconsistent (relative truth) religions...... Protestants are "our ecumentical brothers and sisters in Christ, even though we do not fully agree with them!!
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427033 Mar 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
023 012
<quoted text>
Your words!!!! Quote: When God sees an image of Mary holding the crucified Jesus, He gets jealous, according to Confrint? Who can explain such inexcusable ignorance?
You are calling God ignorant because he gets jealous when He sees an image of Mary holding the crucified Christ!!!!
Lol. Ok Ox. Posting on a forum should at least require 5th grade reading and comprehension skills.
Of course we both know you are just playing with words.
Did you pull girls pony tails repeatedly in grade school?

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#427034 Mar 11, 2013
Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints when Sacred Scripture states that there is one Mediator between God and man – Christ Jesus?(1 Tim. 2:5).

When Catholics ask Mary to pray for them and the

other saints in Heaven they are not bypassing

Christ, whom they acknowledge as the sole Mediator

between God and man. They are going to Christ

through Mary and the other saints. They are

asking Mary and other saints to intercede for them

before the throne of Christ in Heaven. "For the

continual prayer of a just man availeth much." (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: "Brethren, pray for us." (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God ..." (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother.(John 2:2-11).

It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in

Heaven will intercede for us before the throne of

Christ if they are petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or

Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the records of

primitive Christianity that the first Christians

eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John

Chrysostom in the fourth century: "When thou

perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to

His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power."

If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother."

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#427035 Mar 11, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Star C says.......The pope is blind in one eye and is hard of hearing.
Michael says..........The pope was 79 when he took on the job. What do you expect? Did he not think that in 8 short years he would be too old? Christopher Columbus wasn't even on his way to america when the last pope called it quits. 600 years!
Over all the years, the millions of prayers prayed for the pope and his eye got worse and his hearing never got better.
.....that just proves praying is a waste of time.
Good for B-16 he was chosen even at 78 he did well.
What have you done in your old age for the good of your people??
Here let me answer for you, NOTHING!!![lol]

Who knows what your health will be in years to come.
Only God know who will be healed, you don;t know, and I don't know. It's all God's will.

You’ll probably convert on your dying bed, I’ve seen it happen.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427036 Mar 11, 2013
StarC wrote:
Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints when Sacred Scripture states that there is one Mediator between God and man – Christ Jesus?(1 Tim. 2:5).
When Catholics ask Mary to pray for them and the
other saints in Heaven they are not bypassing
Christ, whom they acknowledge as the sole Mediator
between God and man. They are going to Christ
through Mary and the other saints. They are
asking Mary and other saints to intercede for them
before the throne of Christ in Heaven. "For the
continual prayer of a just man availeth much." (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: "Brethren, pray for us." (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God ..." (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother.(John 2:2-11).
It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in
Heaven will intercede for us before the throne of
Christ if they are petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or
Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the records of
primitive Christianity that the first Christians
eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John
Chrysostom in the fourth century: "When thou
perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to
His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power."
If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother."
"Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her."
Amen
Well said Star.
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#427037 Mar 11, 2013
StarC wrote:
Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints when Sacred Scripture states that there is one Mediator between God and man – Christ Jesus?(1 Tim. 2:5).
When Catholics ask Mary to pray for them and the
other saints in Heaven they are not bypassing
Christ, whom they acknowledge as the sole Mediator
between God and man. They are going to Christ
through Mary and the other saints. They are
asking Mary and other saints to intercede for them
before the throne of Christ in Heaven. "For the
continual prayer of a just man availeth much." (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: "Brethren, pray for us." (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God ..." (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother.(John 2:2-11).
It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in
Heaven will intercede for us before the throne of
Christ if they are petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or
Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the records of
primitive Christianity that the first Christians
eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John
Chrysostom in the fourth century: "When thou
perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to
His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power."
If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother."
That's nice but...

I still cannot figure out why the greatest power in the universe would possibly need advice or mediation from a lesser spirit -- on any topic in order to get it right the first time.

The patristic writers and fathers had varying and sometimes opposing opinions at various times. So no doubt you can find early writings to support either side of this debate.

Bottom line -- no Supreme Being would ever be swayed by mediation -- or that Supreme Being would be subject to error without mediation. Impossible according to all reason and logic.

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