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MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#426977 Mar 11, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You, Michael, are a "bigger dip" than I thought! NO CARDINAL--who ever said "pick me, pick me" EVER was made Pope....ANY Cardinal that has EVER "campaigned to become Pope "has always" remained aCardinals.... These (far reaching --"ridiculous, outlandish "lies" of yours are SO--- typical of the "junk comments" that you pass out on this forum...... It is "No wonder" that you don't pack up your "phony editorial opinions" and move on! Your "far reaching" heretical comments, are just "thrown out" hoping that something "sticks" and that a "gullible (non- thinking, rebellious anti-catholic like you, will "buy into" the (liberal BS) that has become a "trademark" of your life!!! UNBELIEVABLE--and DOUBLE BUSTED
Pick me! Pick Me!!(lol)

Since: Nov 08

usa

#426978 Mar 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Jury duty - your laugh for today.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN CALLED FOR JURY DUTY.....THEN YOU HAVE TO KNOW THIS IS
PRICELESS! Enjoy a good laugh! These are from a book called: "Disorder in the American Courts",
and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court
reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.
__________
ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
__________
ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?
WITNESS: We both do.
ATTORNEY: Voodoo?
WITNESS: We do.
ATTORNEY: You do?
WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.
__________
ATTORNEY: Now doctor, "isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about
it until the next morning?"
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
__________
ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year- old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He's twenty, much like your IQ.
__________
ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you kidding me?
__________
ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Getting laid
__________
ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
__________
ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.
__________
ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about 20, medium height, and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male.
__________
ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
__________
ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
__________
ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And, Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
__________
ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?
__________
And the best for last:
ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No .
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.
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And that my friends is a good example why, most politicians in our government and courts are lawyers
and our nation is so screwed up.
loveit,you come up with some real good ones, i must pass this along to friends if you don't mind
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426979 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I still don't believe you. But I don't wanna officially call you a liar, because I don't know what really happened or the circumstances surrounding it.
And lets face it Chuck, your team doesn't hesitate to accuse me of worshiping a statue or Mary. That issue I know is a lie. So how can i truly trust a story you tell that is meant to make us look stupid?
So you lie about apologizing to me. Now who's the liar Clay?

You don't want to officially call me a liar...you did moron.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#426980 Mar 11, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Yep also beware of those that are dressed as Red birds...Cardinals
Com judgment day they will be very Blue Jays...
I heard this heartbreaking testimonial yesterday from an ex Pentecostal Minister. His name is Michael Gumbie. Maybe you can tell me your thoughts?
Apparently there is a remarkable influx of notable Protestant Ministers stepping over to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. This Michael guy is one of them. He and his wife literally had to quit their careers; their whole livelihood; find new friends and jobs. But according to Michael, it was either that or pretend he was preaching the truth on Sundays and then hope Christ will forgive him one day.
He picked up his cross and came over to the Catholic Church. Now he's a Catholic apologists who spreads the faith on the radio, internet and tv.
I heard him say something sad though. He said he's been contacted by hundreds of Ministers that are in the same boat he was. They are stuck because their whole livelihood and their families livelihood depends on them being a Minister in various congregations. They literally will have no job if they cross over. I honestly feel for them. That's a cross road I don't wanna be at. Obviously, they gotta be confused because at one point, they were sure God called them to be a Minister and open up their Own church. In truth, God did call them. But obviously not for that!
Anyway Confrint, if your are stuck like them, my heart goes out to you.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#426981 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
So you lie about apologizing to me. Now who's the liar Clay?
You don't want to officially call me a liar...you did moron.
The apology was for officially calling you a liar yesterday. Today, i just said I don't believe you.
That doesnt mean you're lying. It might mean I'm wrong. Or you saw something really rare. Or you misinterpreted what you did see.

Now, if you accuse me of worshiping Mary, I'll be back to officially calling you a liar.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#426982 Mar 11, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
==>Note..The word of GOD
==>Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.<===
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
___
==>JESUS SAID
Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
===> Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.<==
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written,
==>Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.<==
GOD SAYS IN HIS WORD.

==>Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.<===

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
___

God's only Begotten incorruptible Son will rule in Zion/Jerusalem...

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,

they became fools,

Rom 1:23 ==> And changed the glory of the ->uncorruptible God<- into an image made like to corruptible man, <===

and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; ->neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.<-

Psa_49:9 ->That he should still live for ever, and

not see corruption. <-

Act_2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,-->neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.<-

Act_2:31 -> He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.<-


Act_13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm,-> Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. <-

Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act_13:37 -> But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. <-

There is no mention in the Bible of God having a any corruptible ruler/Prince in Rome .

God's king is JESUS CHRIST our lord and savior...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426983 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The apology was for officially calling you a liar yesterday. Today, i just said I don't believe you.
That doesnt mean you're lying. It might mean I'm wrong. Or you saw something really rare. Or you misinterpreted what you did see.
Now, if you accuse me of worshiping Mary, I'll be back to officially calling you a liar.
Saying that you worship Mary is like telling an alcohlic they have a drinking problem. You bother are in denial.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#426984 Mar 11, 2013
Question: "Who created God? Where did God come from?"

Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking,“What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#426985 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Saying that you worship Mary is like telling an alcohlic they have a drinking problem. You bother are in denial.
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.

You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?

When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#426986 Mar 11, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Ox!! You have "just described" the mis-guided, mis-interpreting and mis-directed group of Protestant "bible only" self-interpreters that have "watered down" the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Gospel, the words of Jesus Himself, the Epistles as well as the "entire New Testament" regarding the Sacrament of Marriage. Divorce "runs rampant" in the Protestant Church, as does "justifying abortion, homosexual preachers, euthenasia, embroyonic stem cell research, woman ministers, ect.--
Add, to the fact, that Protestant minister sexual abuses,(equal) or exceed those in the Catholic Church and you have a condemning and judgemental group of (bible only) "Catholic Bashing "hypocrites" of which all 42,000 contradicting denominations,(HAVE NOT nor CANNOT) agree on ANYTHING, accept to attack the TRUTH! The TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, which came in 382,393 and 397AD by the Early Church Fathers...... Bible only "Relative Truth" (what each person decides) has "corrupted" (not only secular society, but has "infected" Protestantism, which only confirms the writings from a 19th century theologian, when he wrote:" An immoral society, "justifies" its own sin"!!
Its clear. You don't like anyone who isn't JUST LIKE YOU.

You don't like people born protestant and what they stand for. You don't like anyone who speaks out against sexual abusive clergy in your church and those that covered it up. YOu don't like any catholic who is liberal that includes the american cardinals who have been declared liberal compared to all the european and Italian cardinals. YOu don't like many catholic news publications, you don't like the 47,000 nuns in america who want equality and justice, you just want everyone to think and be just like you.

What a sad little man you are.

I like everyone.......and I don't care what religion they were born into or practice.

remember, God has no religion.
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#426987 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah no Free, that's not what I said. Read it again, then apologize to me. Actually, don't apologize, because its not a big deal, I don't care.
For the record. I said 80%(about) were dark skinned. As in 'not white looking'
.
Then I said ONE was from Africa, but I didn't know his name. Only ONE, free.
Clay writes ---- "Read it again, then apologize to me. Actually, don't apologize, because its not a big deal,"

Clay, now here are your exact words copied from post #426964.....

"Good morning. Apparently you witnessed something quite pare. Forgive me for calling you a liar."

Wake up, that IS called an apology.

As for the "dark-skin," I specifically included the word African in my original statement. You are spinning like a top, because you didn't read my words and went immediately into denial, claiming that 80% of the first 48 or so Popes had dark skin.

As always, I forgive you, but please try to pay attention to what was actually written before you reply.

I am now concerned. Are you OK? Are you on drugs?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426988 Mar 11, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Happened to read Acts 18: 8-11 this morning. It is helpful scripture for the discussion I was having with New Age Spiritual Leader.
He'll dismiss it, I'm sure, and say it is not credible since it is in Acts, but I believe it to be very revealing about Paul and his inspiration. Baptism too.
More of Luke telling the story of "Paul"?

I wonder how Luke knew what "Paul" saw in his vision, if it was only "Paul's"?

Hmmm.....
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#426989 Mar 11, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Pick me! Pick Me!!(lol)
He's correct. You can't openly "ask" for it.

But history clearly shows us two other ways --(1) you can buy the papacy, or --(2) you can kill the reigning Pope and install yourself.

It would also help if you changed your name to something more Italian-sounding. Michelangelo maybe.

Regardless, hojo forgives you. Remember that when you are Pope.
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#426990 Mar 11, 2013
Some Catholics claim they do not worship Mary.

But here are the exact words that the RCC claims Mary said in the most important approved miracle in church history....

Mary says -- "You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."

Now it must be true - or the RCC has committed fraud -- because sure enough WW2 broke out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI.

So either Mary tells us she requires "devotion to my Immaculate Heart" to be saved...

... or the RCC has committed fraud.

One or the other.

I hate to accuse the RCC of fraud, so I just assume they worship Mary.

But some still insist the RCC committed fraud. So who is attacking the Church?

Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426991 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.
You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?
When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
The thing you don't get Clay, prayer is a form of worship. That's why I only pray to God.

Do you remember this prayer Clay? If this isn't worship I'll buy you a watch:

“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.”
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#426993 Mar 11, 2013
OIive wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn
Fart
Go away
You created a new ID just for me!!! I am honored.

Best wishes to you as well.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426994 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.
You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?
When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
Did Jesus tell us how to pray Clay? Yes and your church ignores what Christ said.

Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:

“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”

**Your church says you can pray to Mary too. Wake up Clay
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#426995 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing you don't get Clay, prayer is a form of worship. That's why I only pray to God.
Do you remember this prayer Clay? If this isn't worship I'll buy you a watch:
“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.”
To me, its a cry out for help when we are spiritually weak, for the intercession of Mary - who we believe is in the presence of her Son, Jesus Christ. Its not at all a mindset of her being a deity or anything else but a Mother.
It all points to Jesus Christ and only Him. That is our thought when praying, so no, its not worship of her.
See, all you gotta do is ask. Now you know we ain't worshiping anybody but God.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#426996 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Jesus tell us how to pray Clay? Yes and your church ignores what Christ said.
Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:
“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”
**Your church says you can pray to Mary too. Wake up Clay
The 'Our Father' is said at every Catholic Mass, as you know.
But you seem to think its the only Prayer allowed. I missed the part where Christ said its the only prayer allowed.
Did Christ only pray the Our Father in the Garden of Gethseneme?
How about the Holy Book of Psalms? Can we pray those prayers?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426997 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
To me, its a cry out for help when we are spiritually weak, for the intercession of Mary - who we believe is in the presence of her Son, Jesus Christ. Its not at all a mindset of her being a deity or anything else but a Mother.
It all points to Jesus Christ and only Him. That is our thought when praying, so no, its not worship of her.
See, all you gotta do is ask. Now you know we ain't worshiping anybody but God.
Then cry out to Christ Himself if you're spiritually weak. Can He restore that for you? Why do you need intercession of Mary when you can go directly to Christ? Makes no sense Clay...none.

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