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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#426984 Mar 11, 2013
Question: "Who created God? Where did God come from?"

Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking,“What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
Clay

Union, NJ

#426985 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Saying that you worship Mary is like telling an alcohlic they have a drinking problem. You bother are in denial.
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.

You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?

When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
MICHAEL

Canada

#426986 Mar 11, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Ox!! You have "just described" the mis-guided, mis-interpreting and mis-directed group of Protestant "bible only" self-interpreters that have "watered down" the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Gospel, the words of Jesus Himself, the Epistles as well as the "entire New Testament" regarding the Sacrament of Marriage. Divorce "runs rampant" in the Protestant Church, as does "justifying abortion, homosexual preachers, euthenasia, embroyonic stem cell research, woman ministers, ect.--
Add, to the fact, that Protestant minister sexual abuses,(equal) or exceed those in the Catholic Church and you have a condemning and judgemental group of (bible only) "Catholic Bashing "hypocrites" of which all 42,000 contradicting denominations,(HAVE NOT nor CANNOT) agree on ANYTHING, accept to attack the TRUTH! The TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, which came in 382,393 and 397AD by the Early Church Fathers...... Bible only "Relative Truth" (what each person decides) has "corrupted" (not only secular society, but has "infected" Protestantism, which only confirms the writings from a 19th century theologian, when he wrote:" An immoral society, "justifies" its own sin"!!
Its clear. You don't like anyone who isn't JUST LIKE YOU.

You don't like people born protestant and what they stand for. You don't like anyone who speaks out against sexual abusive clergy in your church and those that covered it up. YOu don't like any catholic who is liberal that includes the american cardinals who have been declared liberal compared to all the european and Italian cardinals. YOu don't like many catholic news publications, you don't like the 47,000 nuns in america who want equality and justice, you just want everyone to think and be just like you.

What a sad little man you are.

I like everyone.......and I don't care what religion they were born into or practice.

remember, God has no religion.
Free Mind

Tampa, FL

#426987 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah no Free, that's not what I said. Read it again, then apologize to me. Actually, don't apologize, because its not a big deal, I don't care.
For the record. I said 80%(about) were dark skinned. As in 'not white looking'
.
Then I said ONE was from Africa, but I didn't know his name. Only ONE, free.
Clay writes ---- "Read it again, then apologize to me. Actually, don't apologize, because its not a big deal,"

Clay, now here are your exact words copied from post #426964.....

"Good morning. Apparently you witnessed something quite pare. Forgive me for calling you a liar."

Wake up, that IS called an apology.

As for the "dark-skin," I specifically included the word African in my original statement. You are spinning like a top, because you didn't read my words and went immediately into denial, claiming that 80% of the first 48 or so Popes had dark skin.

As always, I forgive you, but please try to pay attention to what was actually written before you reply.

I am now concerned. Are you OK? Are you on drugs?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426988 Mar 11, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Happened to read Acts 18: 8-11 this morning. It is helpful scripture for the discussion I was having with New Age Spiritual Leader.
He'll dismiss it, I'm sure, and say it is not credible since it is in Acts, but I believe it to be very revealing about Paul and his inspiration. Baptism too.
More of Luke telling the story of "Paul"?

I wonder how Luke knew what "Paul" saw in his vision, if it was only "Paul's"?

Hmmm.....
Free Mind

Tampa, FL

#426989 Mar 11, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Pick me! Pick Me!!(lol)
He's correct. You can't openly "ask" for it.

But history clearly shows us two other ways --(1) you can buy the papacy, or --(2) you can kill the reigning Pope and install yourself.

It would also help if you changed your name to something more Italian-sounding. Michelangelo maybe.

Regardless, hojo forgives you. Remember that when you are Pope.
Free Mind

Tampa, FL

#426990 Mar 11, 2013
Some Catholics claim they do not worship Mary.

But here are the exact words that the RCC claims Mary said in the most important approved miracle in church history....

Mary says -- "You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."

Now it must be true - or the RCC has committed fraud -- because sure enough WW2 broke out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI.

So either Mary tells us she requires "devotion to my Immaculate Heart" to be saved...

... or the RCC has committed fraud.

One or the other.

I hate to accuse the RCC of fraud, so I just assume they worship Mary.

But some still insist the RCC committed fraud. So who is attacking the Church?

Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426991 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.
You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?
When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
The thing you don't get Clay, prayer is a form of worship. That's why I only pray to God.

Do you remember this prayer Clay? If this isn't worship I'll buy you a watch:

“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.”
Free Mind

Tampa, FL

#426993 Mar 11, 2013
OIive wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn
Fart
Go away
You created a new ID just for me!!! I am honored.

Best wishes to you as well.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426994 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.
You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?
When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
Did Jesus tell us how to pray Clay? Yes and your church ignores what Christ said.

Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:

“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”

**Your church says you can pray to Mary too. Wake up Clay
Clay

Union, NJ

#426995 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing you don't get Clay, prayer is a form of worship. That's why I only pray to God.
Do you remember this prayer Clay? If this isn't worship I'll buy you a watch:
“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.”
To me, its a cry out for help when we are spiritually weak, for the intercession of Mary - who we believe is in the presence of her Son, Jesus Christ. Its not at all a mindset of her being a deity or anything else but a Mother.
It all points to Jesus Christ and only Him. That is our thought when praying, so no, its not worship of her.
See, all you gotta do is ask. Now you know we ain't worshiping anybody but God.
Clay

Union, NJ

#426996 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Jesus tell us how to pray Clay? Yes and your church ignores what Christ said.
Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:
“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”
**Your church says you can pray to Mary too. Wake up Clay
The 'Our Father' is said at every Catholic Mass, as you know.
But you seem to think its the only Prayer allowed. I missed the part where Christ said its the only prayer allowed.
Did Christ only pray the Our Father in the Garden of Gethseneme?
How about the Holy Book of Psalms? Can we pray those prayers?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426997 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
To me, its a cry out for help when we are spiritually weak, for the intercession of Mary - who we believe is in the presence of her Son, Jesus Christ. Its not at all a mindset of her being a deity or anything else but a Mother.
It all points to Jesus Christ and only Him. That is our thought when praying, so no, its not worship of her.
See, all you gotta do is ask. Now you know we ain't worshiping anybody but God.
Then cry out to Christ Himself if you're spiritually weak. Can He restore that for you? Why do you need intercession of Mary when you can go directly to Christ? Makes no sense Clay...none.
Clay

Union, NJ

#426998 Mar 11, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay writes ---- "Read it again, then apologize to me. Actually, don't apologize, because its not a big deal,"
Clay, now here are your exact words copied from post #426964.....
"Good morning. Apparently you witnessed something quite pare. Forgive me for calling you a liar."
Wake up, that IS called an apology.
As for the "dark-skin," I specifically included the word African in my original statement. You are spinning like a top, because you didn't read my words and went immediately into denial, claiming that 80% of the first 48 or so Popes had dark skin.
As always, I forgive you, but please try to pay attention to what was actually written before you reply.
I am now concerned. Are you OK? Are you on drugs?
Huh? They did have dark skin. And I said ONE was African. I made no such claim that 80% were African.
You're nuts. Just how free is your mind anyway?
Clay

Union, NJ

#426999 Mar 11, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Then cry out to Christ Himself if you're spiritually weak. Can He restore that for you? Why do you need intercession of Mary when you can go directly to Christ? Makes no sense Clay...none.
Thats because you're on the outside of the Church looking in.
The fact is, we almost always go directly to Christ in prayer.
Sometimes we ask our friends and family and YES, Mary and the Saints to pray with us too.

Do you ever ask your friends to pray for you? Why? Makes no sense, why do you need intercession of your friends and family when you can do it yourself.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#427000 Mar 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Question: "Who created God? Where did God come from?"
Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?
The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking,“What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.
How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
if god is the uncreated creator,then can you give me plausible answers to this, genesis:1:26 And God said, Let us make man in "our image",, after "our" likeness,...he clearly states the word "our" twice,question,who is he talking to? I have asked this question a few times in the past and no one answered me,i figured since the catholics have a direct line to god (the vicar of christ)the pope,they could answer it,but no one does not even pope hojo who is an expert in religion.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#427001 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, what it is, is falsely accusing someone, Chuck.
But first, people need to convince themselves its true and then ignore the testimonial of the accused.
Bottom line: you need to believe we worship Mary so you believe it.
The thing is, I don't believe any of you actually believe we worship Mary. I think you're just looking for the grand slam of reasons to not be Catholic. And if we actually did worship Mary, that would be a good reason to NOT be Catholic. Duh.
You see us bow our heads and pray with Mary to Jesus, and you think something is happening that is not. I get that part Chuck. But I don't get why you'd continue telling people something about us, when we already explained it to? Are you a serious Christian or not?
When I came back into the Catholic Church, it was because some fundies were telling me all about how Catholics worship Mary. Well, I was in a Catholic grade school too, Chuck. So I knew these fundies were not tellin the truth. That was the first step I needed to steer clear of these guys.
Did they teach you to worship Mary at Immaculate Conception grade school in Ohio? Or are you convincing yourself of something in order to justify leaving the Church?
According to the scripture we need no mediator between us and God.

==>JESUS is our HIGH PRIEST ---WE have no HIGH PRIESTESS...or

liaison person between and Jesus Christ no mediator...

-->We take our petitions straight to the FATHER IN Jesus name..

Jesus said.Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you,

Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

1

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Heb 4:15 ==> For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427002 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The 'Our Father' is said at every Catholic Mass, as you know.
But you seem to think its the only Prayer allowed. I missed the part where Christ said its the only prayer allowed.
Did Christ only pray the Our Father in the Garden of Gethseneme?
How about the Holy Book of Psalms? Can we pray those prayers?
Again Clay..these are Christ's words when He was asked how to pray:

Luke 11: 1 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him,“Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them,“When you pray, say:
“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.”

**You're on the verge of the idiotic posts again Clay.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427003 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats because you're on the outside of the Church looking in.
The fact is, we almost always go directly to Christ in prayer.
Sometimes we ask our friends and family and YES, Mary and the Saints to pray with us too.
Do you ever ask your friends to pray for you? Why? Makes no sense, why do you need intercession of your friends and family when you can do it yourself.
When Christ died, the curtain in the temple was torn in two. ALL CHRISTIANS have total excess to God Himself. What in the world are you talking about being on the outside looking in?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#427004 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats because you're on the outside of the Church looking in.
The fact is, we almost always go directly to Christ in prayer.
Sometimes we ask our friends and family and YES, Mary and the Saints to pray with us too.
Do you ever ask your friends to pray for you? Why? Makes no sense, why do you need intercession of your friends and family when you can do it yourself.
You may say..." you're on the outside of the Church looking in."

Personally I have no desire to look into

your religious organization

Hmmm ,,,I WONDER HOW GOD FEELS WHEN HE OBSERVES IT..

WHEN HE SEES ..Your idols that provoke him to jealousy...and show that you hate Him...

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Deu_5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Deu_32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

You must enjoy daring God with you disobedience to his word and attempting to rub His nose in it..

Does it make you feel the powere that comes from darkness when you refuse to walk in the light of God's word?

___

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Joh 3:20 --> For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.<--

Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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