Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426537 Mar 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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My parents were believers.
Don't be sorry.
you weren't...still sorry Uncle Dan
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426538 Mar 8, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Clay..show me where the New Testament describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. Thanks
Colossians 2:11-12

11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[a] was put off when you were circumcised by[b] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Since: Jun 10

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#426540 Mar 8, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Matt 28:19
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
There's three passages indicating the necessity of baptism.
True!! Those three passages teach baptism...

But and however...
In Mt 28:19 there is a requirement to be met...before being baptized...quote: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations..

A three month old infant cannot be made a disciple...it does not teach that a disciple can be made by proxy....

In Acts 2:38...same thing...first comes repentance....then being baptized..a three month old infant cannot repent..it does not teach repentance is possible by proxy..

Mr 16:16..same thing..first comes belief....then baptism. A three month old infant cannot believe...in anything!!! And it does not teach belief is possible by proxy...

Now, I fully expect you to deny the truth in the very Scripture you presented...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426541 Mar 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Not the first one.
Sorry.
lololol...1 out of 2 ain't bad Uncle Dan

Make disciples (followers of Christ) then baptize them.

You're as bad as your buddy Clay.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426542 Mar 8, 2013
LTM wrote:
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,“Repent and be baptized ' REPENT;;;;; AND BE BAPTIZED!!!!!
SO FIRST COMES REPENTING, THEN COMES BAPTISM.
WHY IS AN INFANT BAPTIZED THEY CAN'T REPENT AND IF THEY COULD WHAT WOULD THEY BE REPENTING OF.
THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF SIN WHATSOEVER.
You can not be charged with the sins of your children, they are accountable for their own. You are only accountable for yours.
Your religious doctrine is not logical makes absolutely no sense.
Children are innocent till the age of accountablity. As parents it is our job bring them up in the ways of the Lord. and set a good example .
And to do a lot of praying for them.
How anyone would think that God a loving Father who made away for us to come to Him through Jesus, would throw a infant into hell because he was unable to repent or not baptized by water .
Does not know God.
Original sin, LTM. Forgot that, didn't you?

It IS our job to bring children up into the ways of the Lord. That's why we baptize infants. We don't wait until they can jump through hoops to Reverend/Elder/Preacher Smithy's satisfaction.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426543 Mar 8, 2013
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Chuck wrote:
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This is one of the more popular passages catholics use to baptize infants.
Matt 19:13 Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, 14 but Jesus said,“Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
**Do you see anything that has to do with salvation, baptism...me neither.
None whatsoever....
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#426544 Mar 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Being an ex Catholic, I am familiar with that teaching...but...it is not supported by Scripture....an other example of Catholics following the a teaching not found in the Bible...yet claim to be Christians...
Its impossible that you are an ex Catholic. You're completely clueless on Catholicism. But if you were, its probably best for everybody that you left.

Is Baptizing infants Biblical?

Luke 18:15 People were bringing even infants to Him that the Lord might touch them, when the disciples saw this they rebuked them.
Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, "Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these"

Col 2:11

In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with Him in Baptism , in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426545 Mar 8, 2013
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You realize that this also negates what you believe is required.
Unless you also believe they are in "hell"? Are they?
Get a first-grader to help you...

502

According to what Dan is saying...and believing...all infants...from day one, who died before being baptized, are not in Heaven. There is only one other place they can be...hell.
And...he will argue until blue in the face that he is right!!!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#426546 Mar 8, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Clay..show me where the New Testament describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. Thanks
Col 2: 11 is one passage that supports this.
But I think you were shown this before but you rejected it anyway.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426547 Mar 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
521
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None whatsoever....
That's why I didn't bring that one up.

Glad to see that you and Chuck can still knock down the straw men.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426548 Mar 8, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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No.
I'm saying that they are not assured Heaven unless Baptized.
A Christian who withholds baptism from their child is placing the soul of the child at risk of not attaining Heaven.
Why do I say this?
Because Jesus said Baptism is necessary.
Simple.
Question...if they are not assured of Heaven...where are they assured to spend eternity if not baptized!!!!

Question: If the child does not attain Heaven because he/she is not baptized...what exactly is he/she going to attain???!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426549 Mar 8, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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lololol...1 out of 2 ain't bad Uncle Dan
Make disciples (followers of Christ) then baptize them.
You're as bad as your buddy Clay.
Baptism is ALWAYS seen in scripture as a corollary to belief. Everyone is instantly baptized after learning of Jesus.

Why fight so hard against this?

If accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior is all one needs to do to be saved, then why does everyone in the early Church immediately seek baptism?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#426550 Mar 8, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
This is one of the more popular passages catholics use to baptize infants.
Matt 19:13 Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, 14 but Jesus said,“Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
**Do you see anything that has to do with salvation, baptism...me neither.
Is bringing your child to be Baptized, not following the command of Jesus Christ in this passage?

Also, why do most Protestants Baptize infants?
The new radical born agains are the only ones I think, that don't.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426551 Mar 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Col 2: 11 is one passage that supports this.
But I think you were shown this before but you rejected it anyway.
You're right I reject it.

Is it because you see the word circumcision??
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426552 Mar 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
520
<quoted text>
True!! Those three passages teach baptism...
But and however...
In Mt 28:19 there is a requirement to be met...before being baptized...quote: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations..
A three month old infant cannot be made a disciple...it does not teach that a disciple can be made by proxy....
In Acts 2:38...same thing...first comes repentance....then being baptized..a three month old infant cannot repent..it does not teach repentance is possible by proxy..
Mr 16:16..same thing..first comes belief....then baptism. A three month old infant cannot believe...in anything!!! And it does not teach belief is possible by proxy...
Now, I fully expect you to deny the truth in the very Scripture you presented...
They cannot be disciples without Baptism.

An infant cannot repent, but they carry original sin, which Baptism cleanses them from.

Belief doesn't come first-the two are required. Not just belief. Baptism is required. Believes AND is baptized-not "believes THEN is baptized"

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426553 Mar 8, 2013
530
Dan wrote:
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Sure it is.
Christ placed no conditions on Baptism.
Find me the age limit He specifies.
"Christ placed no conditions on baptism..."

Really????

In Mt 28:19 there is a requirement to be met...before being baptized...quote: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations..

A three month old infant cannot be made a disciple...it does not teach that a disciple can be made by proxy....

In Acts 2:38...same thing...first comes repentance....then being baptized..a three month old infant cannot repent..it does not teach repentance is possible by proxy..

Mr 16:16..same thing..first comes belief....then baptism. A three month old infant cannot believe...in anything!!! And it does not teach belief is possible by proxy...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426554 Mar 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
529
<quoted text>
Question...if they are not assured of Heaven...where are they assured to spend eternity if not baptized!!!!
Question: If the child does not attain Heaven because he/she is not baptized...what exactly is he/she going to attain???!!!
1.) Not assured of Heaven. They are left to the mercy of God.

2.) Not assured of Heaven. They are left to the mercy of God.

Left to the mercy of God because they couldn't make the altar call you require of them. Nice folks, you all.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426555 Mar 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Baptism is ALWAYS seen in scripture as a corollary to belief. Everyone is instantly baptized after learning of Jesus.
Why fight so hard against this?
If accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior is all one needs to do to be saved, then why does everyone in the early Church immediately seek baptism?
"Everyone is instantly baptized after learning of Jesus".
**You know nothing about Jesus as a 3 month old Uncle Dan

I'm not fighting against baptism Uncle Dan. I just know you didn't receive anything based on someone else's faith.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426556 Mar 8, 2013
544
Clay wrote:
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Its impossible that you are an ex Catholic. You're completely clueless on Catholicism. But if you were, its probably best for everybody that you left.
Is Baptizing infants Biblical?
Luke 18:15 People were bringing even infants to Him that the Lord might touch them, when the disciples saw this they rebuked them.
Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, "Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these"
Col 2:11
In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with Him in Baptism , in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
None of these have one thing to do about baptizing infants..
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#426557 Mar 8, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you are one nut job boy,if your so brave why is your location hidden? tear an arm off an beat someone to death wih it? and you call yourself a catholic? well i guess it makes sense the church was built on hate,beatings and killings.not to mention all artifacts in vatican city are stolen property,taken away from roman conquered cities and countries,including a church.the more you read about church history the more distance you see from the teachings of god/jesus.I do believe stealing is a sin is it not? "LIAR". HEY TONY! THEY HAVE RUBBER ROOMS AT YOUR HOSPITAL DON'T THEY? GOT A GUEST FOR YOU.
Just ignore him Jethro.

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