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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 668305 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426232 Mar 7, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The way words are palced on a paper, is not of any concern. It is what those words express that should be near to the heart.
As for GoThomas and GoJudas - they both have these special attributes. Thomas tells of specific teachings by Jesus in parable and non-parable form. Whereas GoJudas includes yet other teachings and explanations to questions that clearly show of an etheral/esoteric nature.
I'm sorry you don't understand this level of spirituality in us.
LTM wrote:
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And you are full of hot air .
And when I blow it out, you are there to suck it all in, huh?

Why do you so-called "Christians" think you know the truth?
A: because you love men and their beliefs.
LTM wrote:
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there is no book of Doubting Thomas . If there is it is not inspired by God.
I never said there was a book of "Doubting Thomas". So what ever you are trying to put into others' mind, you really don't have a clue on what you are talking about and misleading those individuals with false information.

Do you have something from "God" that dictates what books are inspired and which are not?

We've gone over this plenty of times before LTM - and still no one has been able to support the position you pose. What makes you think it is true?

Now be honest.....because I will know when you aren't.
LTM wrote:
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Thomas was not with the other disciples when Jesus appeared to them, and breathed on them and they recieved the Holy Spirit.
JOHN 20: 19-29 Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said,“Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said,“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him,“We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them,“Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas,“Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,“My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him,“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Why do you put John above Jesus in his teachings?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426233 Mar 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course..
The passage above is talking about christians and the passage below says to still away from them those who don't teach about Christ. You catholics make excuses for anyone of your leaders that looks like a clown.
2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Actually, the admonition is to not heed and avoid any of the Christians who spread a message other than the Gospel.

Context, Chuck, context.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426234 Mar 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Can you read Danny what does this say "OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING"
The admonition is to avoid "Christians" who seek to spread a false Gospel.

Again, context matters.
MICHAEL

Canada

#426235 Mar 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
Los Angeles Attorney Declares Rampant Fraud,,“One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate showed my clients’ denial of wrongdoing was ‘truthful,’ and in those cases I accusers change significantly over time, sometimes altering years, locations, and what activity was alleged – in every case, the changes seemed to have enabled or enhanced claims against my clients, or drastically increased alleged damages.”
“I am aware that false memories can also be planted or created by various psychological processes, including by therapists who might be characterized as ‘sexual victim advocates,’ if not outright charlatans.”
“Most of the approximately seven hundred psychiatric ‘Certificates of Merit’ filed in these Clergy Cases, as required by [California] Code of Civil Procedure § 340.1, were signed by the same therapist.”(!)(Note: A “Certificate of Merit” from “a licensed mental health practitioner” is required in California before filing an abuse lawsuit.)
Steier signed and submitted the declaration “under penalty of perjury” November 30, 2010.
Steier also took aim at the outspoken advocacy group SNAP (Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests):
They maintain an interactive Internet website with a user ‘Forum’ and ‘Message Board,’ among other features, where people can share detailed information between alleged victims pertaining to identity of specific alleged perpetrators, their alleged ‘modus operandi,’ and other details of alleged molestation.
In effect, a person who wanted to make a false claim of sexual abuse by a priest could go to that website and find a ‘blueprint’ of factual allegations to make that would coincide with allegations made by other people. Law enforcement also uses the S.N.A.P. website to attempt to locate new victims and allegations against Catholic priests.v
There will always be a few fraudsters.
... How many thousands of priests have never been caught or ratted out? THOUSANDS. How many bishops and Cardinals have lied and covered up for the real culprits.......LOTS!
Quit defending an organization that even many bishops and Cardinals indicate there have been serious problems with sex abuse.
.
Every newspaper worldwide the past few weeks have been full of stories of abusive coverup clergy. CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, BBC have reported about the coverup hirearchy.
One day you too will stand up for the victims.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426236 Mar 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Can you read Danny what does this say "OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING"
Unless you think that John is teaching us in one paragraph to love another then telling us not to in the very next paragraph.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#426237 Mar 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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075
Your words: What's the problem? I said Peter made Ignatius Bishop of Antioch. Is it recorded in the Bible? No. Does that mean it didn't happen? If no, then why?
Your words plainly say that Catholics follow teachings of dead "saints".....Christi ans follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
If you claim to follow the teachings or Jesus Christ--then "why is it" that you "fundies" don't believe, follow and adhere to what Jesus "clearly and specifically says---in the Gospels

1. Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One True (Universal) Church
2. John 6:47-59 regarding HIS TRUE BODY AND TRUE BLOOD in the
Eucharist

The fact is that you bible only "buffoons" only follow what you "think" are the teachings of Jesus, or what you "personally" want to decide for yourselves, is "convenient" for you to believe. Bible only--"Pick and choose" Protestantism is what is known as "half-truth, half-heresy Christianity, of which you "fundies" have become experts in sola scriptura "deception!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426238 Mar 7, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Too general a question.
No Christian follows "all" the teachings of the Bible.(i.e. admonitions against mixed fabric in clothing. etc.)
Yes, Catholics follow the teachings of the Bible as interpreted by the Church.
The Bible teaches: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

You say that is not so!!!!! God got it wrong!!!! That Catholics, instead, follow the teaching of their religion!!!!

Does not the Church, as you call it, teach that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was sinless????
disciple

Murrieta, CA

#426239 Mar 7, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You sound like you wnat to whine about my post, but won't answer it, and instead continue to post insults.
Yep - you deserve Christianity, as much as any other so-called "Christian" - it seems it breeds hatred and transgressions against others.
Not a problem, that is the main reason on why I became a non-Christian. I just couldn't handle others continuing to tell me these things or what to believe.
yea but switching to non-Christian you became a moron so it did not help.
Educate yourself before making a decision next time.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426240 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Too general a question.
No Christian follows "all" the teachings of the Bible.(i.e. admonitions against mixed fabric in clothing. etc.)
Yes, Catholics follow the teachings of the Bible as interpreted by the Church.
It's all in how one says it, huh?

:o)

Considering you post above, " No Christian follows 'all' the teachings...."
- this is for sure.
- so why do many "Christians" believe the Bible to be complete in truth, when we already know they don't accept some of it?

A: scared to face the fact that they have to go against something that they have said (for years by some). This fear of ridicule from "friends and family" is why people cannot be honest with theirself. It is also a direct connection to this saying of Jesus', explaining that one must be "solitary" (not 'in fellowship' as many like to believe) in order to truly understand and accept what he teaches:
GoThomas 55:1-2
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

(55) Jesus says:

(1)"Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple of mine.
(2) And whoever does not hate his brothers and his sisters (and) will not take up his cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

How worthy are you?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426241 Mar 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
225 219
<quoted text>
The Bible teaches: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
You say that is not so!!!!! God got it wrong!!!! That Catholics, instead, follow the teaching of their religion!!!!
Does not the Church, as you call it, teach that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was sinless????
You neglect the fact that Christ institutes the Church in scripture-to spread His word.

Why do you Bible-alone folks always forget that?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426242 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The admonition is to avoid "Christians" who seek to spread a false Gospel.
Again, context matters.
Sorry Danny but catholics haven't a clue about context. Remember...Christ comes in the form of a cracker everyday at the catholic church...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426243 Mar 7, 2013
You first wrote this....
"Actually, the admonition is to not heed and avoid any of the Christians who spread a message other than the Gospel.

Context, Chuck, context. "

...and then you wrote this.....
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The admonition is to avoid "Christians" who seek to spread a false Gospel.
Again, context matters.
It appears you are having a problem with context.

Which belief is the one you believe?
disciple

Murrieta, CA

#426244 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't be a long discussion.
Here's what they believe the Creed-every stated belief is scriptural.
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Intellectually lazy people such as LTM and yourself refuse to actually see what the RCC DOES believe and teach-the Catechism. It's all online-the same place you look for and gather your anti-Catholic drivel.
To wit-the intro to an entire SECTION of the Catechism:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PO.HT...
SACRED SCRIPTURE
I. Christ - The Unique Word of Sacred Scripture
101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63
102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64
You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65
103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66
104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68
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For people who "don't believe a word" of it, they sure waste a lot of time talking about it, don't they?
Thanks for the time, Mensa.
It sounds good.
I've read catholic prayers asking Mary for salvation.
Would that count as believing, ignoring or adding to the Bible?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#426245 Mar 7, 2013
212
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be reading the Racing Form by mistake.
Matthew 16:18
18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.
Eph 3:21
21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen
Matt 18:20
18 Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Eph 5 makes numerous mention of the church.
The Word of God is clear:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Show me one verse that contradicts these and you will have a fallible Bible...which is impossible...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426246 Mar 7, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
It's all in how one says it, huh?
:o)
Considering you post above, " No Christian follows 'all' the teachings...."
- this is for sure.
- so why do many "Christians" believe the Bible to be complete in truth, when we already know they don't accept some of it?
A: scared to face the fact that they have to go against something that they have said (for years by some). This fear of ridicule from "friends and family" is why people cannot be honest with theirself. It is also a direct connection to this saying of Jesus', explaining that one must be "solitary" (not 'in fellowship' as many like to believe) in order to truly understand and accept what he teaches:
GoThomas 55:1-2
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
(55) Jesus says:
(1)"Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple of mine.
(2) And whoever does not hate his brothers and his sisters (and) will not take up his cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."
How worthy are you?
I think that most "Bible alone" Christians have enough trouble with the canonical gospels, let alone the Gnostic gospels.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#426247 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
?
God is against "universal unity of every kind"?
~~~

Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

...NOTE GOD PUT ALL THINGS ON THE EARTH UNDER THE FEET OF MAN...

SEE GENESIS

Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen_1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

----
ADAM AND EVE GAVE THE DOMINION THAT GOD HAD GIVEN THEM TO SATAN...
WHEN THE SINNED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN....

SATAN WAS LEGALLY GIVEN MAN'S DOMINION BY ADAM AND EVE..THEREFORE
GOD DID NOT ATTEMPT TO DESTROY THE DEVIL...

UP UNTIL JESUS BOUGHT BACK MAN'S DOMINION THROUGH HIS BLOOD AT CALVARY....SATAN WAS LEGALLY THE PRINCE OF THE WORLD...BY DEFAULT.

___

JESUS DEFEATED SATAN AT CALVARY AND TOOK BACK/RETRIEVED THE DOMINION THAT WAS GIVEN TO SATAN..BY ADAM AND EVE.

WHICH DOMINION IS RETURNED TO THOSE THAT ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR.

~~~
SEE IN HEBREWS ABOUT MANS DOMINION

Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

NOTE

that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

JESUS IS NOT AN ANGEL BUT A HUMAN BEING

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

---

AT NO TIME HAS GOD ATTEMPTED TO VIOLATE MAN'S FREE WILL,,,

SATAN DID/HAS VIOLATED MAN'S FREE WILL AND PLACED MAN UNDER BONDAGE TO HIMSELF AND ALL UNBELIEVERS ARE HIS SLAVES.

THIS IS THE REASON THAT IT IS WRITTEN ..

Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

NOTE
GOD DID NOT GIVE THE DESTINY OF THE SOULS OF MAN TO ANY ONE..
HE KEPT THEM FOR HIMSELF

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426248 Mar 7, 2013
disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
yea but switching to non-Christian you became a moron so it did not help.
Educate yourself before making a decision next time.
No, you got it all wrong.

I left Christianity, because of the morons.

Please make a note of it.

And with you keep telling me what I did and didn't do, only goes to show this attitude is strong with you.

Keep it up "Fred".

I'll give you back twicefold what you expel from your mouth.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

(14) Jesus said to them:

(1)‘If you fast, you will bring forth sin for yourselves.
(2) And if you pray, you will be condemned.
(3) And if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits.
(4) And if you go into any land and wander from place to place,(and) if they take you in,
(then) eat what they will set before you. Heal the sick among them!
(5) For what goes into your mouth will not defile you.
Rather, what comes out of your mouth will defile you."

(108) Jesus says:

(1) "Whoever will drink from my mouth will become like me.
(2) I myself will become he,
(3) and what is hidden will be revealed to him."

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426249 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that most "Bible alone" Christians have enough trouble with the canonical gospels, let alone the Gnostic gospels.
How true.

But encompassing all of what Jesus taught, will change that perception.

That is if one let's it happen, and not fight it tooth and nail all the way to their pew.

This is the fear instilled by your heirarchy and others. IMO - to keep its followers and to fill the pews.

Jesus never wanted this.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#426250 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"changes its stance"?
They didn't do it with female ordination. That was a big opportunity lost to curry favor and gain influence.
They didn't shift ground on their contraception position-that position certainly is costing them favor and influence, particularly with the current administration in the US.
the RCC can't legally torture and kill me for not agreeing with it right now either, so there are some positive points about it:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#426251 Mar 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
waaassssuuup says..........actually, i know Jesus/God personally so i know what He thinks and what He's like.
Michael says........OK! I will play along. What does Jesus/God think about the worldwide sex abuse scandals by the very clergy that represent Jesus/God?
If there is an all loving God I am sure the roman catholic church is way down on his list of favorites with what we know today.
Jesus thinks that these "clergy" do not represent God, but they're a very fair representation of the continuous evil from the remnant of the unholy roman empire.

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