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[New Age Spiritual Leader]

Pad wrote:

<quoted text>"We will find salvation after death, as long as we understand that our lives here on this plane of existence is categorized through love and peace-all actions of Self and the mind."
If you can take this statement of yours,and apply it to the Gospel account of the Sufferings of Christ,His c r u c i f i x i o n, AND His Resurrection,I will consider New Age philosophy.

That is because you limit Jesus' teachings to just the NT.

*shrugs*

Again, believe as you will. Believe in the men who taught you what to believe. Or believe what is in your Self and being.

That is where you will find the peace and the serenity you seek that will become the outwardly experience that you express is "required". And you won't find it in any words.

[Free Mind]

Clay wrote:

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Im surprised you'd find a way to disagree with the factual reality that Christians were slaughtered by the thousands during the Roman Empire. Almost every Pope was martyrd too.
I'm just curious...what kinda evidence would satisfy the mind that's free?
Also, links are irrelevant if I'm posting from my own personal memory- which is often what I do.
We're all on a computer here. If you wanna check something, Google it. You don't even need to leave the page your on. Just go to a new window and you can be on Wikipedia in seconds. Google Diocletianic Persecution.
Heck, I gave you the date it started...Google that! February 24th 303 AD.
I even gave you the names of the 4 emperors of the Roman Empire who conducted it. Dioacltian, Maximian, Galareus and Constantius.
What more do you want from me?

Slow down Clay. Read my post before replying.

The only thing I denied outright is the lion thing. "Thousands of Xians" were not feed to lions. Not even "hundreds."

You slander lions. It mocks your own church's history.

Clay, you don't need to exaggerate with children's fables to defend your faith.

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

StarC wrote:

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Sorry, I don’t do the 2 step, zumba is my dance!!
They voted, much like today.
The wisdom will come from the Apostles.
“After the Holy Apostles (Peter and Paul) had founded and set the Church in order (in Rome) they gave over the exercise of the episcopal office to Linus. The same Linus is mentioned by St. Paul in his Epistle to Timothy. His successor was Anacletus”
Among the apostles there were two groups. The first consisted of the Twelve, who witnessed the whole of Christ's earthly ministry from his baptism to his Ascension (Acts 1:21-26). The second group of apostles, including Paul and Barnabas (Acts 14:14), was not bound by this condition. Thus Paul had seen and been commissioned as an apostle by the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1, Gal. 1:1), though he had not been a disciple of Jesus during his earthly ministry (Acts 9, 1 Cor. 15:8).“
---by Jimmy Akins
http://jimmyakin.com/library
Acts 2:42 reports
that the people "devoted themselves to the teaching of the Apostles" and in
Acts 5:13: "No one of the rest dared to join himself to them [the Apostles]
but the people magnified them." So all did understand from the start that
it was the Apostles, and they alone who had the commission from Christ to
teach. St. Paul constantly teaches with authority. Pope St. Clement I, in
an Epistle to Corinth c. 95 AD, intervened with authority. He said: "Our
Apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife over
the name of Bishop. As a result, having received full foreknowledge, they
appointed those we have mentioned, and meanwhile added a provision that if
these would fall asleep [die] other approved men should receive their
ministry."
Acts 1, tells us that the FIRST ECUMENICAL COUNCILS was held to replace Judas.
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For it is written in the Book of Psalms:'Let his encampment become desolate, and may no one dwell in it.' And:'May ANOTHER TAKE HIS OFFICE.'
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Therefore, it is necessary that one of the men who accompanied us the whole time the Lord Jesus came and went among us,
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beginning from the baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us, become with us a witness to his resurrection."
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So they PROPOSED TWO, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also known as Justus, and Matthias.
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Then they prayed, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of THESE TWO YOU HAVE CHOSEN
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TO TAKE THE PLACE IN THIS APOSTOLIC MINISTRY from which Judas turned away to go to his own place."
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8 Then they gave lots to them, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was counted with the eleven apostles
Thanks for asking!
Question for you.….
Do you use crystals? Is a crystal your god?

Third generation disciples is first hand info. Context is not your strong suit.

Do I use crystals for what?

No, a crystal is not my god. Why do you ask?

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

hojo wrote:

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ALL OF YOU (fundies) Confrinting, 4GVN, NEW AGE, Jethro8, LTM, PAD Justachristian , and every other anti-catholic on this forum always give their own (LITERAL SENSE) "personal opinion" as to what each one "think" each bible verse means. The FACT is that individual (LITERAL SENSE) "Bible Only" interpretation of Sacred Scripture is like reading the "editorial section" of your local newspaper. "Everybody" has an opinion!! "Everyone" has a (personal view or judgment! "Everybody's opinion" is the (according to them) is the truth! As in "every" case of Protestant "bible LITERAL interpretation"--- there is an ongoing (ever-growing)number of over 42,000 conflicting, contradicting and inconsistent "editorial opinions" ALL CLAIMING TO HAVE THE TRUTH!--The fact is that NONE OF THEM even possess--HALF OF THE TRUTH . All a person has to do is to look at the Protestant "bible only" LITERAL SENSE(self)-interpretations of Scripture to see the (hodge=podge) "contradicting (mess) of bible (LITERAL SENSE) mis-interpretation that have (bought into} "secular humanism" which has caused a "cancerous immoral degredation" of (an even greater) Protestant (split) within the Christian community! i.e abortion, homosexuality, euthenasia, woman ministers, gay marriage, embroyonic stem cell research, homosexual ministers, and on and on, whichever way the "political wind" happens to blow next!!---The fact is that there has, is and will continue to be (as it has for over 2000 years, ONLY ONE TRUTH,(not 42,000 contradiction LITERAL (relative truths)--and that TRUTH is in the TRUE biblical intrepretation and TRUE historical teachings, doctrine and precepts of Jesus Christ, manifested (in and through) Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church in the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH and in the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH!! God is not the author of your bible only "relative (literal truth" of confusion and chaos.

*eerie music is heard in the distance and getting louder*

bum-bum-bummmmmm.....bum-bum-b ummmmm

[Oxbow]

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StarC wrote:

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LOL, double DUH!! Again.
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LoL, double DUH, again!!
That's not my quote, it's from …...
Blessed John Henry Newman, Cardinal (1801-1890) was a convert to Catholicism from the Church of England, and one of the great minds of the 19th century. As a Roman Catholic priest he became one of the greatest Catholic apologists in the history of the Church. He was a prolific writer and persuasive preacher. Cardinal Newman was beatified by His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI on September 19, 2010 in Birmingham, England.
Thanks anyway!

When you tell a lie, at least have some assurance it cannot be proven so...

See your post ending in "510"...

[Oxbow]

Reading Scripture...continued..from post 425435....

Those who mistakenly believe the Word of God is fallible will answer "Sure it makes sense!!! It proves what I have been saying...the Bible is fallible...Christ would never teach us to abandon our families and properties to inherit everlasting life!!!!"

Then there are those that know the Bible is infallible, and will insist that those were the exact words of Christ, that He was speaking in the literal sense..that He meant for us to leave...abandon.....our families and properties to inherit everlasting life.

Their reasoning is that the Bible is written in English and the English dictionary says "forsake" means to leave..to abandon....but....they have not done so....cannot do so...and know of no one whom has ever done so!!!!!!

So, they see a problem with Scripture in the infallible Sacred Word of God, but have no idea how to resolve it!!!

[Clay]

Free Mind wrote:

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Slow down Clay. Read my post before replying.
The only thing I denied outright is the lion thing. "Thousands of Xians" were not feed to lions. Not even "hundreds."
You slander lions. It mocks your own church's history.
Clay, you don't need to exaggerate with children's fables to defend your faith.

Goodness Free. The point was that thousands of Christians were slaughtered. Not the method.

[Clay]

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>Those aeven kings and the 8th being Popes is something HoJo claimes so I assumed it is of Catholic origin and fell over into the protestant church'e keeping her traditions. You guys have also took the 70th week of Daniel and tried applying it to the end times as well.
I think the 7 kings where kingdoms already been established and the seventh was Rome and the 8th being of the seven is the RCC being Secualr and religious in power and the governments of this world is structured after myself.

Nah the 8th secret hidden prophecy is the single on Metallica's 2nd studio Album, "The Four Horsemen". Listen to the words and you can decipher what if Apostle John was actually seeing.. Lol
I'm joking of course.

"the four horsemen are drawing nearer, on the leather steeds they ride..."
Lol

[Yahchanan]

We know what he did to Sodom And Gomorrah. Compare those places to this united states and the sin committed here.And no you will not be spared because you are A Christian Or A catholick.we will all suffer NO Rapture that is A fairy tail.

We have destroyed our self's by our sin.
By not keeping the laws of love and peace.

And the world will mourn for her because they all drank of the wine of her fornication.The united states Will be destroyed.But suffering is what we have brought upon our self's.By not keeping the laws.

See folks I'm Not going to white wash the truth like every preacher in this world you get the truth from me. Even if you can not accept it I did my job by telling you.
To me each and everyone of you have slapped the creator in the face By your god worship. It is A fact that Yahweh Is not A good It say's so in every dictionary every concordance but yet you read but can not comprehend. It must be unless you are called And chosen you will not understand this. The sabbath the feast day how they were done away with for pagan holidays.And the laws..

Ha Ha here is A good one How About you will cause them to forget my name and the world has.I have ask People have you ever heard of Yahweh most have not but those you have say Yahweh god.....Nope sorry.......

Yahweh is not a god.

[Clay]

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>I imagine when Christ told his apostles as my father sent me I send you John would have been right at 30.
Strange how every time you catholics post a link it never works. Yes there is a way to get around your faulty link but why bother.

I apologize for my link error. Its my phone. But it clearly was the correct link.. Sorta. Two quick clicks and you're on the Wikipedia page anyway.

Its believed the John the Apostles was born around 6 AD.
Its believed Jesus died around 33 AD.

If that is true, then John was 27 yrs old when Christ entrusted Mary to Him.
If John walked with Jesus for a couple yrs like many also believed. He would have been about 24 or 25.

I wish more of Johns writings would have survived because I'm sure there would have been some great accounts of the life of Mary - who he took care of until her assumption into Heaven..

"I saw a woman clothed with the Sun" is about as close as we can get for now.

I know I know, you guys say the Woman is Israel.

I recommend a great book and even better audio called "The Lambs Supper" by Dr. Scott Hahn. You devotees of the Book of Revelation will enjoy it.

[Pad]

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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That is because you limit Jesus' teachings to just the NT.
*shrugs*
Again, believe as you will. Believe in the men who taught you what to believe. Or believe what is in your Self and being.
That is where you will find the peace and the serenity you seek that will become the outwardly experience that you express is "required". And you won't find it in any words.

Read your other post,cancer is the most dreaded disease plagueing the whole world,perhaps this country more than most.

You picked the right mental and physical practices from the MArts as they teach you to focus don't they?

It is hard to argue a person's approach to believing in Christ.How can I say that my way is the best approach<I am no pinacle of Christian truth.

If you learned ways to meditate that would seem foreign to me,I have no right to diminish your experience.I basically reject the end result of what many practitioners of Spiritualism end up with. So many reject the only authority of the Man Christ Jesus,and buy into the lie that Jesus did not suffer for our sins.Some New Agers reject the Deity of Christ.

YES I am limited in doctrine to the New and everlasting Covenant,that which is the foundation for my relationship in H I M.

You see there is a limit to our understanding as a whole,and someday we will see in fullness,that which right now is in P A R T.

No doubt there are things you believe that are really true,but we can only gauge truth through the Word.That is why especially in the Evangelical communities,reading the Bible is sufficient,there is more than enough truth to last us our own life time.

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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Context is important if you expect to understand "Luke" a third generation disciple.
Please notice that "Luke" is writing approximately 50 to 100 years after the events occurred - which more than likely were oral traditions passed down from person to person. Luke, writing about "Paul" (alone on the road), about seeing a vision of Jesus.
You are starting to sound like you are an expert at the "Telephone Game" i used to play in elementary school.
Move past the words and understand their meanings.
Acts 9:1-5
1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Luke was a scribe of Pauls and traveled with Paul after his conversion. You are an Idiot !!!

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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That is because you limit Jesus' teachings to just the NT.
*shrugs*
Again, believe as you will. Believe in the men who taught you what to believe. Or believe what is in your Self and being.
That is where you will find the peace and the serenity you seek that will become the outwardly experience that you express is "required". And you won't find it in any words.

Again you are ignorant Christ teaching are founf in the Old and New Testaments both not just to the books you refer to like Thomas etc.
The Church in the wilderness at Mt. Sinai, Christ tells us it was HE the Great I Am the one who was from the beginning the Alpha and Omega.

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

Clay wrote:

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Nah the 8th secret hidden prophecy is the single on Metallica's 2nd studio Album, "The Four Horsemen". Listen to the words and you can decipher what if Apostle John was actually seeing.. Lol
I'm joking of course.
"the four horsemen are drawing nearer, on the leather steeds they ride..."
Lol

Yah that is what kind of answer one would expect from a Catlick Makrel Snapper especially this time of the year around Lent..........rotflol

[Pad]

Clay wrote:

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I apologize for my link error. Its my phone. But it clearly was the correct link.. Sorta. Two quick clicks and you're on the Wikipedia page anyway.
Its believed the John the Apostles was born around 6 AD.
Its believed Jesus died around 33 AD.
If that is true, then John was 27 yrs old when Christ entrusted Mary to Him.
If John walked with Jesus for a couple yrs like many also believed. He would have been about 24 or 25.
I wish more of Johns writings would have survived because I'm sure there would have been some great accounts of the life of Mary - who he took care of until her assumption into Heaven..
"I saw a woman clothed with the Sun" is about as close as we can get for now.
I know I know, you guys say the Woman is Israel.
I recommend a great book and even better audio called "The Lambs Supper" by Dr. Scott Hahn. You devotees of the Book of Revelation will enjoy it.

When the things of the Bible are discussed,and expounded,we can enjoy the fact that it points to Christ and His relationship with God and Man.Scott Hahn tries to take the Bible and use it to glorify the RCC and its practices and rites.Yes it is repugnant,because the Bible belongs to the G o d of Israel,and it points to the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit,and what they are doing with human kind.

No institution can match what God does in regards to calling us all to faith and a relationship with Him.

You claim that the spiritual body of Christ does not exist,and that He left this world a church.WELL,the truth is Christ left us His Apostles who in turn penned the New Testament,and we have a vital living organism,the CHURCH,which is human Being in structure and purpose. The Spirit breathes life into the Body,and it is a living organism of truth and light,and one that seeks above all things a personal relationship with the Master.We are in the betrothal stage of our relationship with Christ.ALL who follow Christ,not just your institution that has been a hegemony over the body of Christ for centuries.

NOW the Body is free from the domination of the RCC and by no means does it want to be forced to be under its domination in this age,or the age to come.

Being ONE in Christ does not mean we have to all be under One Pope,but we are O n e in Spirit,one in truth,one baptism in the Holy Spirit,one faith in the Living God as interpreted by the fathers of the old Covenant:From Abraham to Malachi.

May the LORD bless the whole Body,and continue to use us to make Disciples of all nations.Not just one part of the body can do it all,but all members fitly joined together to achieve through the Spirit to reach all nations with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

Clay wrote:

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I apologize for my link error. Its my phone. But it clearly was the correct link.. Sorta. Two quick clicks and you're on the Wikipedia page anyway.
Its believed the John the Apostles was born around 6 AD.
Its believed Jesus died around 33 AD.
If that is true, then John was 27 yrs old when Christ entrusted Mary to Him.
If John walked with Jesus for a couple yrs like many also believed. He would have been about 24 or 25.
I wish more of Johns writings would have survived because I'm sure there would have been some great accounts of the life of Mary - who he took care of until her assumption into Heaven..
"I saw a woman clothed with the Sun" is about as close as we can get for now.
I know I know, you guys say the Woman is Israel.
I recommend a great book and even better audio called "The Lambs Supper" by Dr. Scott Hahn. You devotees of the Book of Revelation will enjoy it.

The Woman clothed with the SUn is the Church however Israel would apply as well since God said my People or known by my name and we are apart of Spiritual Israel.

If John was 27 that would go hand in hand with the statement as my father send me I send you when the Apostles finished out the rest of the 3.5 years determined on Daniels People the last week of the 70 Weeks that guys distort and try to put at the end time......Then John being 30 after the fact would be considered an earthly Priest after he finished his ministrey to the Jewish People and allowed to preach in the temples.

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