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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 685826 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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guest

United States

#425387 Mar 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
Torture was used, albeit rarely. Murder did happen, but so rare its not even worth discussing.
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<quoted text>WHAT! THERE WERE "ONLY A FEW 'MURDERS'.......Not even worth mentioning. Well here we see the heart and mindlessness of a 'TRUE CATHOLIC'. UNBELIEVABLE!
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yeah. just as there were only a *few* bad priests *raping* little children ... not even worth mentioning ...
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Why? because children are resilient and will recover. They will *forget* about all the HORROR that happened to them; they will mature and go on and live wonderful, productive lives; some of them will be so *forgiving* as to become priests themselves and follow in other priests footsteps ........raping little children
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but it's not worth mentioning.
guest

United States

#425388 Mar 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
The Crusades (6 of them?) were launched as a defensive war against invading Muslims. They were not fought to covert anyone. You're thinking of the Spanish Inquisition. The Spanish Monarchy used torture to convert people into the Church.
The CC should have put a stop to it (eventually they did) there were definitely sins committed by the hierarchy.
The thing is, every one of them violated Church teachings. It doesn't matter that they were at the top... They still violated Catholicism.
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Bat Foy wrote:
So what you're trying to get me to believe is the Muslims invaded Europe to take the holy city and ..... Noooo white men did what white men do and that is make the world think as they do and if they won't they kill them. Almost every part of the world has seen this. It just so happens that at the time of the crusades the cc was in charge. The cc used Jesus/God and the fear of hell to slash and burn its way across the world to make men slave to the church. For the cc to help it always comes at a price. Jesus loved people never killed anyone chose death rather than kill a single person. Jesus wouldn't want killing in his name.
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What the Catholics REFUSE to understand is that their warring and fighting and murdering in the Name of God is the reason Islam even exists.
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There was NO SUCH THING as ISLAM when Constantine decided: "In This Sign Conquer." ...for 300 years there was no such thing as Islam.
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Waging WAR in the name of God was started by the Catholics!!! and IF you believe the Catholics - they did it by the *authority* granted popes by Christ Jesus himself!! Ex cathedra.
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the tribal people of the area decided that THEY TOO had just as much *moral authority* to wage war
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What? Did the early church leaders think everyone else would just give up, sit down and not fight back? Did the early church leaders think they could militarily stomp everyone in submission to the Catholic church?
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And THERE is where the confusion began.
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for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
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people of the area reacted to the violence that was the Catholic church ...
........and now ... we have Islam.
guest

United States

#425389 Mar 2, 2013
people of the area reacted to the violence that was the Catholic church ...
........and now ... we have Islam.
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but its not worth mentioning .......

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#425390 Mar 2, 2013
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GBA wrote:
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You guys go back and forth tit for tat like schoolboys trying to goad the other one for your own sake.
And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
He also said: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

When anyone, by their words, say they are following teachings that are not based on the Sacred Word of God, as a son of God, I cannot remain silent...
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#425391 Mar 2, 2013
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yeah. just as there were only a *few* bad priests *raping* little children ... not even worth mentioning ...
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Why? because children are resilient and will recover. They will *forget* about all the HORROR that happened to them; they will mature and go on and live wonderful, productive lives; some of them will be so *forgiving* as to become priests themselves and follow in other priests footsteps ........raping little children
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but it's not worth mentioning.
If there is one Priest its too many as far as I'm concerned. It should make any normal person vomit at the thought of anybody doing such a thing to a child- especially someone who is a leader in Christ's Church; who had a child look to them for guidance.
Imagine the horror these guilty Priests will face when they have to look Jesus in the eye one day.

Guest, there is indeed only a few, thanks be to God. I believe there were about 7 last year. That's not very many, but still too many. Does that make sense?

I love how the CC is dealing with this problem now.
The only thing I don't like (but understand) is how a Priest is immediately removed upon an accusation- no matter the evidence. So many are falsely accused its not even funny. People are out to get free money by way of a lawsuit. Once that first check was written, suddenly there were 10,000 'victims' obtaining a lawyer.
To me - considering the serious subject - those false victims are pukes just like the guilty Priests, and anyone else who uses this subject to advance an agenda, by exaggeration or anything else.

Did you go to confession and communion yet? I got a feeling about you, guest.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#425392 Mar 2, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Bingo.
How many times has Pat Robertson foretold the end of the world, yet here we are? At least twice I believe.
Oh, and who can forget the hurricane that was projected to hit Florida. Pat said it was "God's wrath." But instead, the storm veered north and went directly over Pat's HQ in Virginia Beach.
Talk about a sign from God! But Pat failed to see it, lol.
Just as the RCC should be held accountable, so should all the false prophets and their failed claims.
You're being kind to me lately. Can i check your forehead for a fever? Lol
Are you returning to the Catholic faith yet? Guest was Baptized Catholic and so were you. Right?
All you need to do is go to Confession then Communion. If you want to really experience the 'born again' effect, that's the perfect antidote.

Guest is going to do it this week, you may as well too.
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#425393 Mar 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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True. The Holy Spirit guided the Church to the compilation of the Bible. The Spirit also guided them to interpretations.
Who guided them to where they are now?
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#425394 Mar 2, 2013
Just checking in to see if New Age Spiritual Leader had gotten his foot out of his mouth?

I guess not....
guest

United States

#425395 Mar 2, 2013
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yeah. just as there were only a *few* bad priests *raping* little children ... not even worth mentioning ...
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Why? because children are resilient and will recover. They will *forget* about all the HORROR that happened to them; they will mature and go on and live wonderful, productive lives; some of them will be so *forgiving* as to become priests themselves and follow in other priests footsteps ........raping little children
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but it's not worth mentioning.
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Clay wrote:
If there is one Priest its too many as far as I'm concerned. It should make any normal person vomit at the thought of anybody doing such a thing to a child- especially someone who is a leader in Christ's Church; who had a child look to them for guidance.
Imagine the horror these guilty Priests will face when they have to look Jesus in the eye one day.
Guest, there is indeed only a few, thanks be to God. I believe there were about 7 last year. That's not very many, but still too many. Does that make sense?
I love how the CC is dealing with this problem now.
The only thing I don't like (but understand) is how a Priest is immediately removed upon an accusation- no matter the evidence. So many are falsely accused its not even funny. People are out to get free money by way of a lawsuit. Once that first check was written, suddenly there were 10,000 'victims' obtaining a lawyer.
To me - considering the serious subject - those false victims are pukes just like the guilty Priests, and anyone else who uses this subject to advance an agenda, by exaggeration or anything else.
Did you go to confession and communion yet? I got a feeling about you, guest.
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Clay: "I love how the CC is dealing with this problem now."
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According to scripture, they SHOULD have kicked the priest OUT of the church, IMMEDIATELY!
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but you don't listen to scripture. You listen to popes who came up through the ranks of rapist priests - protecting them and covering up for them ... so as to not allow the *church* to look bad ...
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as for the false victims? in my view everyone on the planet is a victim of the Catholic church's lies.
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the lies of the church have created the confusion
the lies of the church are responsible for untold victims of war
the lies of the church are responsible for centuries of grief and misery
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and Clay, if your "good feeling" about me is the same standard of measure you use for your "good feelings" about the Catholic church ... know this: I will NEVER ... EVER willingly step foot in a Catholic church again.
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Therefore: your "feelings" about me are in error.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#425396 Mar 2, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Just checking in to see if New Age Spiritual Leader had gotten his foot out of his mouth?
I guess not....
Yep he got athletic tongue from somewhere...must have come from his foot.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#425397 Mar 2, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>No what I find ludicrous is the Catholic assertion of what John 6 meant,not what Jesus said Himself. I do not disagree with JESUS at all,Dan I dsagree with Roman Catholicism,and yes some of the early Reformers as well.Just because popular opinion,or a broad concensus of belief,does not MEAN that if is God's truth that should be in alliance to the broad opinion.
The fact that your church,the Orthodox,the Anglicans,and perhaps some Lutheran persuasions believe in the Real Presence after the consecratioon,really does not bother me.What bothers me is the entourage of RC beliefs that claim the Sacrament is basically needed for Salvation,and to sustain the whole body of Christ.
The truth is that Spiritually everything that pertains to the Lord Jesus Christ is needful and advantageous to the whole Body,for nourishment.It is Spiritual Essence that comes from the Godhead,through what was called the Eucharist,or Baptism,and those sacraments which benefited the whole Body.
We can benefit spiritually even from reading the W O R D,and that nourishes our souls.When people partake of the elements in Communion, Spiritually that nourishes the soul,and it brings to remembrance what the Lord Jesus Suffered.
Spiritual life is from God,DAN, Not from the hands of men and women.We can be inspired to write beautiful things for the Lord,or to make things that enhance our perception of the Spiritual,but ultimately the Spiritual comes from the S P I R I T,not human effort.
Communion when exercised with reverence,and the allowing of the Holy Spirit to illumine our minds toward the sufferings of Christ,spiritually nourishes the soul,and mind in Christ,whether or not believers consider the elements to be symbolic or the Real Presence.
I do not in any way diminish your faith in what you believe communion to be in connection with the Mass,and at the same time when Prots or Evangelicals have Communion and it is done with holy reverence,is just as spiritual and nourishing for the Body of Christ. It is all spiritual and discerned by the Spirit of Christ,as by the Holy Spirit,WHO by the way is the ONE sent to fortify,embody Christ in the Church,and to reveal the hidden treasures of the MYSTERY of Christ to us all as well.
Both persuasions of Catholicism and Evangelical Christianity are wrong if and when they try to diminish the spiritual significance of Communion in each other.We do not have to agree on all points,but we have to respect with the LOVE of Christ and the Unity of the Holy Spirit what the Lord is in Communion,as He is remembered of His Suffering and Death for our sins.
wonderful Post Pad. God Bless.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#425398 Mar 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Quick question, even though you also never respond with a direct answer, please explain to me:
a. If there were 13 Apostles, and Peter was the first to be chosen as Pope, and more than likely those other Apostles were alive (Acts state this to be), why weren't any of those individuals considered to be the successor of Peter? You would think that they all had the same teachings.
But instead, we have many non-Apostles taking that lead position.
One would think that even "John", "Matthew" or Mark - all original Apostles, and all with gospels - show that they were much more deserving than...
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus)(76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
Shoot - even Luke doesn't get a shot at this peek position.
As I've stated in the past - what you may think as "Apostolic Succession" (from one of the original 13 Apostles) is complete.
Far from it.
Enlighten me Star with your Catholic two-step, I mean wisdom.
You deserve a medal for this one. I would ask the same question,but you beat me to it.

It is interesting how the Apostles are somewhat like at the top of the leadership of the Christian movement.We all speak of the "Apostles teaching"AND revere the Apostles as the closest to the Master.

Yes you bring up no doubt a question I have not heard any Catholic or Evangelical to bring up.No matter how much the RCC claims they are IT,the variables of Christians who existed all through history that would not bow their knee to the ROMAN Church,and the fact that the Papacy all through its history dominated Europe with often Political demigogery, tells me that Roman Catholicism is not the One true Apostolic Church.

Any church that cannot obey the first two commandments of the TEN and arrogantly claims it is the CHURCH,Jesus instituted for all Christians,remains a mystery of false teaching that defies the Lord Jesus Christ KNOWN from the New Testament,and the revelation of truth from the Old Covenant as well.

Nevertheless I remain open to the fact that the Lord uses many Catholics,and that He will hear the prayers of all Christians.It seems to me that the Lord is not interested in who shouts the loudest about their validity and authenticity,but looks at our actions,our goals that serve Him,and holds the whole Body of Christ in His Hand,regardless of affiliation.

Just because I share with you these things,does not mean however that I believe or promote New Age thinking.However I do admire the fact that you are a Marial Artist,no I am not,never had time for it.But I believe it is one of the greatest contributions to the building of character in the human race.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#425399 Mar 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Like you have said, the strengthening of body and mind should be considered as "one".
"One" - in that they both make actions together.
When an individual recognizes the aspects of Self, they have also achieved that same mentality.
Thought we may use our spiritual essence in most ways associated to a religion of sorts, it is missed by many that the spirituality we develop also is a strength for our bodies.
How else could Sherlock Holmes defend himself against multiple attacks, and still remain unscathed?*smiles*
- By visualizing ourselves in the more dominant manner and following through with the vision to a reality.
:o)
It sounds good, huh? That is because it is a good thought.
But it is still Self.
We will find salvation after death, as long as we understand that ouor lives here on this plane of existence is categorized through love and peace - all actions of Self and the mind.
Thanks for reading my posts!
"We will find salvation after death, as long as we understand that our lives here on this plane of existence is categorized through love and peace-all actions of Self and the mind."

If you can take this statement of yours,and apply it to the Gospel account of the Sufferings of Christ,His c r u c i f i x i o n, AND His Resurrection,I will consider New Age philosophy.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#425400 Mar 2, 2013
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Clay: "I love how the CC is dealing with this problem now."
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According to scripture, they SHOULD have kicked the priest OUT of the church, IMMEDIATELY!
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but you don't listen to scripture. You listen to popes who came up through the ranks of rapist priests - protecting them and covering up for them ... so as to not allow the *church* to look bad ...
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as for the false victims? in my view everyone on the planet is a victim of the Catholic church's lies.
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the lies of the church have created the confusion
the lies of the church are responsible for untold victims of war
the lies of the church are responsible for centuries of grief and misery
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and Clay, if your "good feeling" about me is the same standard of measure you use for your "good feelings" about the Catholic church ... know this: I will NEVER ... EVER willingly step foot in a Catholic church again.
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Therefore: your "feelings" about me are in error.
I wasn't really serious about 'my good feeling' that you're coming back to the Catholic Church. Frankly, you are completely consumed by ignorance. Nothing will convince you otherwise.
I consider the type of ignorance displayed by you guys as a disease. I know the antidote is the Eucharist, but I know you will never know. But that won't stop me from proclaiming the truth.

Besides, every single human being will join the Catholic Church one day. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. The CC is His Church. He will require you to be a part of it, either here on Earth or in Heaven. You may as well join it now while you're alive. It might not be easy once you die. You will be unable to choose for yourself to join then.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#425401 Mar 2, 2013
truth wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_0UVnVz5lFQXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.google.com.au/search...
truth,I do not understand why you are showing such a video,your really doing a lousy job of trying to get whatever message you tirelessly try to convey.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#425402 Mar 2, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Who guided them to where they are now?
Jesus. Who else? Don't get mad at us because your perception of the Church is false. You're looking at it from the outside and the stained glass windows don't make sense. So you guess at what it is; you throw accusations around to see if it sticks. But once you enter the Church and look around, the stain glass windows are bright and detailed and very beautiful. Things suddenly make sense.

I think it was free who complimented me on the stained glass windows analogy the other day. I stole the concept from someone else but I can't remember who or how exactly it went. Either way, I didn't invent it.
preston

Athens, OH

#425403 Mar 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Good meeting you in person this morning. It was a nice Mass and great way to start the day off.
You're a nice guy.
well, clay and HOJO, if you think that eating a piece of grain is all there is to Christianity I would compare your relationship to this.
Jesus doesnt want temporary "custody" of you,
HE WANTS TOTAL CUSTODY!

eating a peiece of grain aint nothing compared to what a Born Again Christian Experiences with Christ
Pad

Fishers, IN

#425404 Mar 2, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Clay,
Your representation of the Spanish inquistion being used to convert people is simply not true. You should understand the Muslims had conquered virtually all of Spain albeit one tiny section and occupied it for hundreds of years. It was common for them to wipe out and kill even the women and children, but that was common for the world of the time. In some places depending on the ruler Christians were tolerated as second class citizens or not at all. Christians who were paid a Jeezya tax and oppressive tax which Mohummmad approved to make life harsh. A Christian may worship in private but to try to convert a Muslim would mean death and harsh reprisals on other known Christians. Property and land was siezed. As corruption and the power base weakened amongst the Muslim rulers the Christians siezed the opportunity to retake lands and property that was once theirs.
The Spanish Inquistion had nothing at all to do with converting people. Protestants as we know them today did not exist. What was viewed with suspicion was the sudden mass conversions of Muslims and Jews (who had helped the Muslims conquer.) Mobs type justice was running rampant and it would allow them to obtain land and Property. However working from within to turn people away from the faith and sway loyalties. Not unlike what happened when Joshua weeded out those who were trying to subvert the faith within or when people were put out of the church until Modern Protestants decided the church is an invisible body believers that believe x y or z. I am sure that is what the Apostles had in mind when they put people out so they call them brothers. NO it was to shame them.
Regardless lawless mobs were the rule. The church was asked to intervene. It set up a trial procedure to question the converts. If you openly said you were a Jew or Muslim the inqisition did not pertain. It was only for those who claimed to be Christian and to determine their true beliefs and motives. So to say the Spanish inquistion was used to convert people is simply not true. The secular institution carried out sentences and secular courts were far more harsh. Many appealed to the Church because they knew it was far more fair. The legends of billions of deaths are just nonsense. In reality it was a calm and reasoned approach to the lynch mob mentality and an emerging new State.
As for the crusades (there were 4) yes they were a response to pleas for help from Christians in the east. The first crusade was very successful. However its not a black and white issue. Ghengis Khan, The Turks, and power struggles in dwindling empires all played a role.
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2Wd_EAmcFZcXX Clip from BBC (usually Anti-Catholic)
Exaggeration could be the word to describe perhaps the excessiveness of the Inquisition.But the truth is it existed,and it tageted Jews who were basically forced by political and social pressure to convert to Roman Catholicism.If that alone does not turn your stomach Dust Storm,than what does?

Your soft-soaping of the issue does not change its anti-CHRIST nature one bit.

Any society,I do not care what age or time,that forced people to become Christians is anti-christ in nature,heart,soul and mind.Protect it,coddle it all you want,it is from the pits of Hell(Inquisition).Its whole mind set and the direction it took to oppress life(for the false cause of serving Christ through the RCC),is diametrically opposed to anything of our Holy and Mighty Lord,PERIOD!
Pad

Fishers, IN

#425405 Mar 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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This is my understanding:
'convert' is a correct word. Even though it was against supposed Catholics. They were heretics.
Torture was used, albeit rarely. Murder did happen, but so rare its not even worth discussing.
I believe both the Crusades and Inquisitions were understandable given the climate of that era. As you pointed out the Church was the receiver of much hatred. Catholics were the victims first.
Thanks for the links. I'll read more on it. I'm not an expert on this stuff and am always trying find out the truth.
ONE person,tortured,having their assets stolen from them by any church is enough to shame and discredit the Love of Christ.Now if you take thousands of Jews as in Spain,and arrest them,confiscate their homes and lands,torture them,and eventually burn them to the stake,because they might be worshiping the GOD of their fathers in secret,but publicly claiming they converted to Roman Catholicism,is to me first of all an attack against God's ELECT anc Chosen.

That would never have been done by the Apostles,wouldIT? Clay,no matter how distorted the facts were concerning the Inquisition,IT happened! And no reasoning to soft-soap its Satanic origin will suffice.Pope John Paul the Second apologized to the Jews for the THOUSAND year persecution of their ancestors by the RCC,what kind of idiots do you think we all are?

Jews were expelled from Catholic countries,beaten,Rabbis dragged through streets,tortured and killed.Countless Jews were given ultimatums to either convert to Catholicism or be killed,and or be expelled.Apain expelled thousands of Jews,and the rest of Europe did so as well.I don't think that any time period after the first century of the Christian Martyrs can condone the Christian persecution of non-Christians,for whatever reason.War is one thing but what the RCC did to the Jews and other non-RCs was not war but persecution and death.

READ the history of the Jews in Europe under the RCC,it is far from anything you would want to brag about,it is no wonder God did not destroy the RCC back than.You cannot soft soap history,it happened,and only God can heal the hearts and minds of His humanity.AND, Pope JP2 tried at least to face the evil within his own institution by asking forgiveness.WHY ask for forgiveness if it was just a slap on the hand,or a heated debate?

Where did the term GHETTO come from? The Jewish barios awarded to them by the Catholics of European countries who separated the Jews from their midst.
Sharon--Alabama

Birmingham, AL

#425406 Mar 2, 2013
Growing up Catholic in the 60's and sometime still to this day, because I am Catholic people still make jokes etc.Believe it or not in our neighbor hood kids couldn't come to my house because they found out we were Catholic ..My Dad who was a very educated man and a Baptist decided to study Catholism and when I was 6 years old. He converted because he believed the Catholic Church was the one true church, and I as well learned that when I made my First Holy Communion. I have had to defend my religion all my life, My Dad I think was a better Catholic than my Mom because "he truly believed in the church because he chose to become a Catholic.
I am a nurse and I have seen people come in the hospital and their religion is listed another religion, but they were once Catholic,and they get bad news, they ask for a priest and last rites and communion ....so no matter what, I believe once a Catholic always a Catholic. I always say you may not agree with the church but prayer is the answer. When it comes to your faith you can't straddle the fence, either your are a Catholic or you aren't!

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