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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424916 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
What is your point and what are you responding to?

Misdirecting others and misleading them to whatever is on your agenda, will not lead them to Jesus.

Why don't you believe Jesus?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424917 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
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I AM VERY CAREFUL WHERE I EAT MY PHYSICAL FOOD...
EVEN MORE CAREFUL WHERE I GEM MY SPIRITUAL FOOD...
The old adage is
"COME INTO MY PARLOR said the spider to the fly
NOT TODAY THANKS MR LONG SHANKS...i have other fish to fry."
The Bible says/requires me to..
Heb_13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
I do not know you and neither do I care to fellowship in your strange conjecture....
You are not the watchman over my soul.
~~~
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he/JESUS gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
"Heb_13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

I understand. You are a follower of men, you accept their beliefs, and you subject yourself to their ways.

This isn't what Jesus wanted.

Why don't you believe Jesus?
Clay

United States

#424918 Feb 27, 2013
Man, 4th largest church in US: Eaglebrook mega church is opening another building in MN. This ones a 25 million arena near my house. It will have a huge screen; reclining theater seats and coffee cup holders. For some reason, they used to be "Eaglebrook Baptist Church". They dropped the 'Baptist' from their name to appear more hip I suppose..

This same church has one in Lino Lakes, MN. I attended it one day and saw people dressed like they were at the beach having a picnic; folks were eating Danish Pastries and sipping cappuccinos while the kids ran around- all while the word of God was being read from the stage.
This is the kinda respect shown to the Holy Scriptures.
When the Holy Bible was done being read, people woke up,(because a live band hit the stage and everyone stood up and jammed). I guess they went home feeling all nice. Why not? They are guaranteed Heaven according to that dude on the stage!

Twincities.com
Scroll down to main stories and click on the article.
How does the Catholic Church compete with that kinda Christianity? Lol.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424919 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
?1. Inspired men can. God is working through them. Why do you limit the Holy Spirit so?(oops I almost forgot you don't answer questions)
?2. That wasn't a judgement so much as something you told me you wouldn't do. Plus, your sanctimonious character is shining brightly.
How is is that you know the mind of "God"?

Now I am sanctimonious?
- do you even read your own posts to others?

Face it Saban....you haven't provided anything but diversion and lies about me.

Any you think I am sanctimonious?

Answer with honesty, and then dispute the facts I have presented.

You haven't yet, and still wallow in the beliefs of men over Jesus.

Get a clue on what you believe, and make sure you state it correctly, because I am not going to let you swindle others with bullshite lies about Jesus and his teachings.

You want a discussion, you have one. But without honesty - as you haven't shown - it will only be dismay that you see.

"For those with ears should hear, and those with eyes should see." - Jesus

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424920 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
?1. That is not exactly what I was referring to in that manner. Typical twist there by you.
?2. You have yet to prove I do accept more of what Paul wrote than what Jesus said. How can I prove this presumption of yours is false when you have yet to prove your presumptuous statement of me is true? Perhaps if you proved I was not following inspired scripture and you were, we could come to some conclusion. Frankly, what seems to be going over your head at the moment is that the burden of proof is yours.
All scripture is inspired.

What more is there needed to prove than what is in GoThomas - all of Jesus sayings?

Are you saying this text is not inspired? Why?

Do you have something from "God" that says otherwise? If you do, please provide it, or will you be like the Catholics - and just fall back on the men of 325 CE in Nicea?

You ain't got shite Seban - so be honest about it and admit it.
Clay

United States

#424921 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not paying attention.
"Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?"
Or..."Why do you only accept less than six of the original 13 Apostles?"
Try to stay focussed.
I didn't know for sure if your riddles... I mean questions were about this.

1. The first question doesn't make sense, because Jesus didn't write anything. Ironically, you and me are relying on the recollections of men. They wrote their memories 40 yrs or so after Jesus Christ died. I trust its accurate.

2. We don't know if any of the other Apostles wrote anything. Your Gospel of Thomas was suspect of being a fraud from very early on....written by men yrs after Thomas died.

February 24th, 303 AD.
Christians likely lost many other authentic accounts of the life of Less. Perhaps the first 30 yrs of His life? Perhaps more about Mary and Joseph?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424922 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU WROTE
"I have with all of his teachings, and you haven't.."
YOUR ARROGANCE IS BEYOND DESCRIPTION...
No - it is a fact that you have seem to avoid and divert from - by making your statement against me, instead of owning tothe fact that you don't use these teachings.

More dishonesty GiF? And you call yourself a man of the cloth? You are starting to sound more like a Catholic.
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
no man that exist has all the teachings of Jesus...
BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN READILY GIVE US LEADERSHIP..
and obviously YOU AINT HIM.
I didn't say anything about the HS - but you sure added it in quickly. Was it to avoid the truth that you don't use all that Jesus taught?

And of course I am not the HS....DUH!! Did I give you any indication I was? No I didn't.

Why do you find the need to make such comments about others?
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
JESUS SAID...
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
NOTE
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So?

He said alot of things.
confrinting with the word wrote:
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JESUS DID NOT SPEND HIS TIME QUIBBLING ABOUT 13 APOSTLES...
HIS PURPOSE WAS/IS..
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
....and even though he never quibbled, he still taught them what he had learned and promoted.

Only men have quibbled over their authenticity and CHOSE less than six to utilize.

Men believing men, and to give other men what they believe.

Looks like you've accepted this path on your own.

No religion required.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424923 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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WHAT IS THE POINTS... YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE... IN YOUR ABOVE POST?
The poster asked for specifics. I provided.

What's your point? That the Bible should be taken literally?

I hope not -- if you go to a medical science doctor when you're sick, or you wash your hands before eating, or if you have not given away all your worldly possessions yet, etc., etc....

Nor do I believe for a second that the Greatest Power in the Universe is burdened with petty human emotions, like jealousy and anger.

Pleeeeezzzzz.... that just so Bronze Age IMHO.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424924 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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I APOLOGIZED TO YOU IN A FORMER POST
AND TOLD YOU THAT I HAD SENT MY ANSWER TO THE WRONG PERSON...
DID YOU NOT READ MY POST
DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
No problem. Thanks for the Confession

Now say 10 Hail Marys and go in peace.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424925 Feb 27, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Thanks for the article, great info. Yes, Kay is a liar. It's simply amazing that a holy roller like her has no problem lying about Mary just in order to advance her cause. There has got to be some kind of mindset in her fundie community that approves of lying as long as it's directed at the Catholic Church.

**********

Amusing, Anthony. You lie like Pinocchio, then accuse me of lying, though the proof is against you. I read my information in the Koran.

Unlike a certain group that we know of, our 'community' does not believe that it is OK to lie if it (seems to) serves our group well.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424926 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe in your eyes, but not in "God's".
"We are all sons of the living Father."
Denying it is only showing that you deny and don't believe what Jesus said.
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
~~~

I don't know... nor do Care where you are getting your strange word's above...

I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU ..

A PERSON JUST DON'T REALIZE OR ASSUME HE IS A SON OF GOD...

THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MUST TAKE PLACE FOR HIM TO BE A SON...

Jesus said ...One must be born....(figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring of the Spirit (be regenerated) to become a Son.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot *see...(to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.)

*the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the FLESH/(by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such):- carnal (-ly,+-ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).

is FLESH;

and that which is born of the *SPIRIT....figuratively a spirit, that is,(human) the rational soul,(by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:- ghost, life, spirit (-ual,-ually), mind

*is SPIRIT

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

~~~~
To be a Son One must receive Christ...Jesus is the one that gives us power to be sons of God...

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

___

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom_8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT ...YOU CANNOT BE LED OF THE SPIRIT...

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424927 Feb 27, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No problem. Thanks for the Confession
Now say 10 Hail Marys and go in peace.
~~~

MARY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING FORGIVEN..

SHE IS NOT MY HIGH PRIEST.... JESUS IS.

THE BIBLE SAYS

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he/JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

jESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH...

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but

--->all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him/JESUS with whom we have to do. <--

Heb 4:14 --> Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. <--

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424928 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
All scripture is inspired.
What more is there needed to prove than what is in GoThomas - all of Jesus sayings?
Are you saying this text is not inspired? Why?
Do you have something from "God" that says otherwise? If you do, please provide it, or will you be like the Catholics - and just fall back on the men of 325 CE in Nicea?
You ain't got shite Seban - so be honest about it and admit it.
All scripture is inspired and I believe through the Holy Spirit it has been preserved for us. There are no contradictions within it.

Now, unless I am mistaken, you have already hinted that something recorded by Paul in scripture contradicts something of which you have knowledge in "GoThomas". If so, therein would lie a BIG problem. If there is in fact contradiction between two texts one is not inspired. God is not the author of confusion.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424929 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
MARY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING FORGIVEN..
SHE IS NOT MY HIGH PRIEST.... JESUS IS.
THE BIBLE SAYS
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he/JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
jESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH...
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but
--->all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him/JESUS with whom we have to do. <--
Heb 4:14 --> Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. <--
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
~~~

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES that says that Mary ..(the mother of Jesus ...has any part in God's plan of redemption )...other than the fact that SHE WAS THE VIRGIN, THAT BIRTH HIM...THAT WAS HIS EARTHLY MOTHER..OTHER WISE SHE IS NOT MENTIONED NOR INCLUDED IN GOD'S PLAN OF REDEMPTION..

I CHALLENGE ANY ONE TO GIVE A SCRIPTURE THAT PROVES ME WRONG...

-->BEYOND THE VERSE IN ACTS 1:14 MARY (the Mother of Jesus) IS NOT MENTIONED ..in the scriptures.

Act 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

Act 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and---> Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren/BROTHERS.

THERE IS NOTHING
Clay

United States

#424930 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
All scripture is inspired and I believe through the Holy Spirit it has been preserved for us. There are no contradictions within it.
Now, unless I am mistaken, you have already hinted that something recorded by Paul in scripture contradicts something of which you have knowledge in "GoThomas". If so, therein would lie a BIG problem. If there is in fact contradiction between two texts one is not inspired. God is not the author of confusion.
How come the church of Christ doesn't have the gospel of Thomas or gospel of Mary Magdalin in their canon? They both were Apostles of Jesus Christ. There is definitely evidence of some Christian sects (gnostics) using those books very early on.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424931 Feb 27, 2013
The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554...

The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424932 Feb 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
How come the church of Christ doesn't have the gospel of Thomas or gospel of Mary Magdalin in their canon? They both were Apostles of Jesus Christ. There is definitely evidence of some Christian sects (gnostics) using those books very early on.
The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554 ...

The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp ...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424933 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I don't know... nor do Care where you are getting your strange word's above...
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU ..
A PERSON JUST DON'T REALIZE OR ASSUME HE IS A SON OF GOD...
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MUST TAKE PLACE FOR HIM TO BE A SON...
Jesus said ...One must be born....(figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring of the Spirit (be regenerated) to become a Son.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot *see...(to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.)
*the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the FLESH/(by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such):- carnal (-ly,+-ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
is FLESH;
and that which is born of the *SPIRIT....figuratively a spirit, that is,(human) the rational soul,(by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:- ghost, life, spirit (-ual,-ually), mind
*is SPIRIT
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
~~~~
To be a Son One must receive Christ...Jesus is the one that gives us power to be sons of God...
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
___
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom_8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT ...YOU CANNOT BE LED OF THE SPIRIT...
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
"To be a Son One must receive Christ...Jesus is the one that gives us power to be sons of God..."

- I have, although you still refuse to believe me. So be it "half-Christian".

You are the one who mistake men's beliefs for Jesus'

Sounds to me, you ARE NOT a "son", but promote it as you are. You've got a long way to go before you achieve that mark.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424934 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I don't know... nor do Care where you are getting your strange word's above...
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU ..
A PERSON JUST DON'T REALIZE OR ASSUME HE IS A SON OF GOD...
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MUST TAKE PLACE FOR HIM TO BE A SON...
Jesus said ...One must be born....(figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring of the Spirit (be regenerated) to become a Son.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot *see...(to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.)
*the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the FLESH/(by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such):- carnal (-ly,+-ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
is FLESH;
and that which is born of the *SPIRIT....figuratively a spirit, that is,(human) the rational soul,(by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:- ghost, life, spirit (-ual,-ually), mind
*is SPIRIT
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
~~~~
To be a Son One must receive Christ...Jesus is the one that gives us power to be sons of God...
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
___
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom_8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT ...YOU CANNOT BE LED OF THE SPIRIT...
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
BTW - I forgot to add....

All of what you write of above has to do with "Self"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.
chuck

Dublin, OH

#424935 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554...
The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
Saban
why do you debate with catholics? You guys believe alot of the same.
Salvation:
faith
works
baptism
*where you may disagree is, you both believe you belong to the true church.

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