Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 589538 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424773 Feb 26, 2013
Truth wrote:
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You wrote:
What evidence is there that the book is inspired?
NONE....he has been told so MANY times....
Limiting "God" again "Truth"?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424774 Feb 26, 2013
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ironman77 wrote:
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If you own a Thesaurus you will notice there are several meanings of the word, dumb dumb! descended also can mean to arrive suddenly.
intransitive verb to become more evident or established, suddenly or by degrees i.e. An atmosphere of gloom descended on the assembled crowd. You're not as smart as you think! Remember the original bible wasn't in English. Most Bible readers assume the English translation of the Bible is an equivalent and exact representation of the original text. Because of the vast difference between the Ancient Hebrews' language and our own, as well as the differences in the two cultures, an exact translation is impossible.The difficult job of the translator is to bridge the gap between the languages and cultures. Since one can translate the Hebrew text many different ways, the translator's personal beliefs will often dictate how the text is translated. A translation of the Biblical text is a translator's interpretation of the original text based on his own theology and doctrine. This forces the reader to use the translator's understanding of the text.
Nice try...but no cigar.

Typical of Catholics.....look in an English dictionary to find the definition of a Greek word!!!!!

Descended: yarad, yaw-rad' to descend (literally, to go downwards; or conventionally to a lower region, as the shore, a boundary, the enemy, etc.; or figuratively, to fall); causatively, to bring down (in all the above applications); -X abundantly, bring down, carry down, cast down,(cause to) come(-ing) down, fall (down), get down, go(-ing) down(-ward), hang down, X indeed, let down, light (down), put down (off),(cause to, let) run down, sink, subdue, take down.
Clay

United States

#424775 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I must've missed it. Please supply me the link to your post that answers this:
"Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?"
Yes - I am looking for honesty.
That's a dumb statement. Everything quoted on Jesus in the Bible wasn't written by Him anyway. It was written by men, 30 -50 yrs after He died. To say we think Paul is more 'enlightened' is funny. It all flows together. Matthew and Marks memories of what Our Lord said, does not contradict Pauls writings.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#424776 Feb 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Thanks HoJo
We're not dealing with normal Christians on here. Most people who've been presented with the evidence we Catholics have provided - uncovering the deception preached by them - would cease doing what their doing. I guess that's why I have more patience (but not always). I know that nothing will ever change them. They really really want to believe things about Catholics. In fact, they need to believe certain things to exist. When they are proven in error, it becomes more nasty. They'll scratch and claw for any Bible verse that will 'justify' what they think. example: " John, 6:63, flesh profits nothing. Our hands are washed"
Anyway, I attend the Cathedral every week for sure. I like the Sat morning 8 am daily mass. You can usually find me on the right side wearing a blue or black hooded sweat shirt looking kinda construction worker type.(Im almost always headed to a job on Saturday mornings, I have a side business remodeling commercial offices).
Plus, I'll occasionally attend an evening mass during the week. The Cathedral became my home parish for about 10 yrs now. Fr Joseph Johnson used to be the rector and I couldn't get enough of his preaching. So I became a member. He's gone now but i stayed there.
Thanks Clay! I'll look for you on one of these Saturday mornings. You will find me wearing tennis attire--sweat pants-shirt, etc. as my full time occupation is, as a tennis pro and coach for Lifetime Fitness, in Minneapolis and will be heading to work after Mass. Look forward to meeting you and sharing more of our "rich and full" Catholic Faith, in Jesus Christ,------ being a former Protestant!!
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424777 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Still afraid to answer the questions honestly, huh?
Can stand up to your Self?
So you continue to divert......
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Citation please.
Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God".
Arrogance is more adored in many ways - putting honesty aside.
I understand.
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I don't limit "God" - religions do.
I guess I just don't understand how you can believe certain texts, and only because of men, whereas, you refute still others.
Why does "God" need men to deliver a message int he first place?
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And what meter is that?
Are you judging me?
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....and they all have teachings by Jesus that you don't use.
Instead of just looking at the list, and actually reading them, they may give you the answers to why you believe "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus......or maybe not.
NASL writes -- "Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God""

Most, but not every.

Otherwise, good point. Thomas Jefferson wrote similarly.

On board topic....

Oh how the Vatican hated him. I wonder if they freed him from "eternal despair" yet, since they changed their Catechism to allow for such?

Will the waffling RCC finally tell us the fate of 99% of America's founders?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#424778 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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"Lent" another man made religious event.
Since your entire "bible only" self-interpreted beliefs are "ALL MAN MADE" --never believed by ANYONE until the 17th century---you Protestant originally "invented and created" the term (man-made) that describes "exactly what you have believed" for over 400 years!
The fact is, that "your "loss" as a bible only (half-truth) Protestant" is our "gain" as Catholics, IN THE SEASON OF LENT,(before Easter) as well as the SEASON ON ADVENT (before Christmas), because the "fullness" of the faith and the "fullness" of the truth,(for over 2000 years) has ALWAYS BEEN and WILL CONTINUE TO BE originated, formed and manifested, in Jesus Christ (ONLY) in and through His One True Catholic Church.
Clay

United States

#424779 Feb 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Thanks Clay! I'll look for you on one of these Saturday mornings. You will find me wearing tennis attire--sweat pants-shirt, etc. as my full time occupation is, as a tennis pro and coach for Lifetime Fitness, in Minneapolis and will be heading to work after Mass. Look forward to meeting you and sharing more of our "rich and full" Catholic Faith, in Jesus Christ,------ being a former Protestant!!
A tennis pro? Wow. That's a sport that requires being in shape. Lol
I went to Saint Agnes a few times. That Parish is excellent. They do a Saturday morning traditional Latin Mass that I have gone to. I'll have to let you know the day before I'm going to Sat morning daily Mass at the Cathedral. Right now, this weekend looks iffy.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#424780 Feb 26, 2013
Cathy the Catholic says:

we the remnant of Roman Empire own salvation through our sacraments because we used to rule the world with a rod of iron; now, do as we say and not as we do....or else!!!
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424781 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I must've missed it. Please supply me the link to your post that answers this:
"Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?"
Yes - I am looking for honesty.
I have given you this answer several times yet you remain faithful to your strawman. Perhaps you can show me where I've stated Paul was more enlightened than Jesus, otherwise this is your strawman and highlights your intellectual dishonesty.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424782 Feb 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Since your entire "bible only" self-interpreted beliefs are "ALL MAN MADE" --never believed by ANYONE until the 17th century---you Protestant originally "invented and created" the term (man-made) that describes "exactly what you have believed" for over 400 years!
The fact is, that "your "loss" as a bible only (half-truth) Protestant" is our "gain" as Catholics, IN THE SEASON OF LENT,(before Easter) as well as the SEASON ON ADVENT (before Christmas), because the "fullness" of the faith and the "fullness" of the truth,(for over 2000 years) has ALWAYS BEEN and WILL CONTINUE TO BE originated, formed and manifested, in Jesus Christ (ONLY) in and through His One True Catholic Church.
What is important to me is the beliefs and worship practices I follow were practiced in the first century, something your leadership does not and cannot mirror.

This precisely captures my point about "Lent". A "religious" event started by men and nowhere highlighted in the Holy and inspired Word of God.

Oh, and now we will have to decide what to call this retiring pope. As usual we will make it up as we go since we have no biblical authority for the office in the first place.

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Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424783 Feb 26, 2013
Touched a nerve??!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424784 Feb 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's a dumb statement. Everything quoted on Jesus in the Bible wasn't written by Him anyway. It was written by men, 30 -50 yrs after He died. To say we think Paul is more 'enlightened' is funny. It all flows together. Matthew and Marks memories of what Our Lord said, does not contradict Pauls writings.
Okay - I understand your viewpoint.

It still doesn't answer why you don't beleive in all of what Jesus taught, now does it?

My thinking is this.....

Men chose for what you are to believe, and you've accepted it.

Men also chose for what you are NOT to believe, and you've accepted it.

So why do you believe men?

In other words, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus? Is it because of men?

A: Yes.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424785 Feb 26, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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NASL writes -- "Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God""
Most, but not every.
Otherwise, good point. Thomas Jefferson wrote similarly.
I agree - I did over-exaggerate a little with "every religion".

I was trying to make a point in relation to just religion in general - and the top beliefs.

Even then, I'm not sure, but I don't think Hinduism defines "God".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424786 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I have given you this answer several times yet you remain faithful to your strawman. Perhaps you can show me where I've stated Paul was more enlightened than Jesus, otherwise this is your strawman and highlights your intellectual dishonesty.
I can't provide it - because you never stated your answer.

Stop trying to play me. If you are so sure you answered, then go back and review your posts and post it.

All you have ever shown in your posts is your dishonesty and diversion from answering.

Want to know why?

Because it proves your religion is false and bullshite.

Something that requires honesty to admit. In which you haven't.

Why don't you believe Jesus?

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#424787 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Okay - I understand your viewpoint.
It still doesn't answer why you don't beleive in all of what Jesus taught, now does it?
My thinking is this.....
Men chose for what you are to believe, and you've accepted it.
Men also chose for what you are NOT to believe, and you've accepted it.
So why do you believe men?
In other words, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus? Is it because of men?
A: Yes.
hey new ager, may i jump in?

i know we've been down this road before, but i'm still puzzled as to where you think you got your doctrine, if not handed down from "men"???

"there is nothing new under the sun" Solomon
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424788 Feb 26, 2013
By Garry O'Sullivan -- Managing Director of 'The Irish Catholic'

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...

"Historically, the institutional church manufactured fear based on its own fears; fear of science and progress, of educated followers, of other religions, of bible reading, of change, and it is fear that drives the institution today. A humble church for the people became a church that took from the Emperor Constantine the clothes of a dying empire, parting ways with the simplicity of its early foundation.

From then on, it would be 'princes of the church' instead of fishermen in charge; Popes would run empires and start wars rather than humbly lead; those who spoke out would be deemed heretics and burned at the stake. Catholicism had truly lost its way."

Amen

Thank you Garry O'Sullivan -- Managing Director of 'The Irish Catholic.' That is why I am here.

If the RCC has lost Ireland, then I am needed more than ever.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424789 Feb 26, 2013
"Papacy needs a Gorbachev to confront tired empire"

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424790 Feb 26, 2013
Exactly....

"The Vatican is not the church and as an institutional centre it really has become an embarrassment for ordinary Catholics. It is steeped in clericalism. The protection of the clerical state at all costs was more important than believing children."

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424791 Feb 26, 2013
From a Catholic who isn't afraid of his church's history and reality......

"The Vatican wasn't founded by Jesus, and the modern papacy is only a construct that came into being after the French Revolution."

"Popes weren't always elected by Cardinals. Lay people were involved. A lay person can technically become Pope."

Something few Catholics consider...

"There is a democratic tradition in the early church that has long been side-lined, and so much of the so-called tradition around the papacy as we know it is only a few hundred years old."
Clay

United States

#424792 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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What is important to me is the beliefs and worship practices I follow were practiced in the first century, something your leadership does not and cannot mirror.
This precisely captures my point about "Lent". A "religious" event started by men and nowhere highlighted in the Holy and inspired Word of God.
Oh, and now we will have to decide what to call this retiring pope. As usual we will make it up as we go since we have no biblical authority for the office in the first place.
How can you possibly demand that every little 'i' and 't' about Catholicism be highlighted in the Bible, when Catholicism itself produced the Christian Bible 400 yrs after Christ? Bishops of the Catholic Church with the Pope (Damaseus) signed off on the New Testament Canon, and you demand that the word 'Pope' should be in the Bible. Seems very odd.

I read somewhere that the writings of the Apostolic fathers - particularly Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch - almost made it into the New Testament. But it was decided by the CC to include only the writings from the Apostles themselves and not their students.
Funny, but none of you guys would have ever come into existence had this been done.
Martin Luther fought to eliminate the Books of Revelation and James from the Bible. Can you imagine all of the cults that would have never come to be, had Revelation not been available to them?

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