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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424938 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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All scripture is inspired and I believe through the Holy Spirit it has been preserved for us.

Yes - ALL SCRIPTURE!! Not just the ones you think are or are not.

Are you always this clueless, especially when the words are right in front of you?

BTW - do you have a citation from "God" that states only certain texts are "God inspired"?

You lie, if you say you do.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>There are no contradictions within it.
Oh yes there is - we've already gone over the Levitical "laws" that you say "are God inspired" and pertinent to the world.

I say they are not, because of their content is not valid in the 21st C. Therefore, are no longer "inspired".

Unless you do beleive the inspiration in the "law" that states a man can rape a virgin girl, and then give her father 50 pieces of money for her hand.

Do you condone rape? Do you condone selling your daughter?

Seeee? These are no longer valid, but they are in the Bible you hold so dearly. In other words, you lied, because this contradicts the moral of society today.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>Now, unless I am mistaken, you have already hinted that something recorded by Paul in scripture contradicts something of which you have knowledge in "GoThomas".


If this is your mentality, then you failed again. I never hintred at such nonsense, but you will add your own thoughts (Self) to my posts, just to appease your own mind.

Yet once again, "Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?"
- nothing to hint towards "Paul" contradicts Jesus.
- nothing to suggest "Paul" contradicting Jesus.
- BUT....only a question that when posed to an individual on this forum, has been avoided, diverted from, and just plain not answered, because uninformed individuals, like yourself, think the question contains contradiction. It only shows how hypocritical you are towards Jesus, but not towards the men you adore and worship for giving you the Bible.

Live with the fact that you only believe in the Jesus that men gave you, and not the true Jesus.

When you can come to this astonishment, the dismay will pass rather quickly.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>If so, therein would lie a BIG problem. If there is in fact contradiction between two texts one is not inspired.

Oh - you know how to tell if soemthing is inspired by "God" and how one is not.

Please tell the forum your insightful view.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>God is not the author of confusion.
And you now know what "God" is thinking and doing?

Your arrogance is just part of the problem you have. One must erase teh ego and arrogance to have any relationship with Jesus or the HS.

You've failed again.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424939 Feb 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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How come the church of Christ doesn't have the gospel of Thomas or gospel of Mary Magdalin in their canon? They both were Apostles of Jesus Christ. There is definitely evidence of some Christian sects (gnostics) using those books very early on.
If "All scripture is inspired by God", then they are just as valid.

Unfortunately, MEN DECIDED that they could play "God" and choose what you are to believe or not.

One does not need a specific religion to understand this.
Larry

Pitt Meadows, Canada

#424940 Feb 27, 2013
The Pope sits in the Chair of Saint Peter plus has millions of prayers going out for him.The Roman Catholic Church is the most senior Church in Christianity.As for myself im a Lutheran and i do like many of the recent Popes statements concerning morals.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424941 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554 ...
The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp ...
You should believe everything you read or see.

This site dates it earlier than GoMark.

But why even argue this point with you, you are so biased in your religion, without researching it fully first, you really don't know the details, and will just go on teh stories that other people tell you.

Why do you follow men?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#424942 Feb 27, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554 ...
The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp ...
I was hoping for a response in your own words.
The internet I filled with essays of propaganda by self proclaimed authorities on scripture. They slice and dice their way through the Bible until they arrive at the religion they want.
To me, it mean nothing.
guest

United States

#424943 Feb 27, 2013

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424944 Feb 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I was hoping for a response in your own words.
The internet I filled with essays of propaganda by self proclaimed authorities on scripture. They slice and dice their way through the Bible until they arrive at the religion they want.
To me, it mean nothing.
Didn't the "bible" get sliced and diced before it was "completed"?

What about all the slicing and dicing the RCC has done through the centuries in regards to dogma and doctrine?

Yo are chasing your tail again.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#424945 Feb 27, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church is rotten to the core, just another tool of Satan.The Truth will stand, when the world is on fire.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424946 Feb 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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MARY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING FORGIVEN..
SHE IS NOT MY HIGH PRIEST.... JESUS IS.
THE BIBLE SAYS
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he/JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
jESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH...
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but
--->all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him/JESUS with whom we have to do. <--
Heb 4:14 --> Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. <--
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Why knock Mary. She sure made God a lot less angry.

No?

Jesus is God, right?

Before Mary came along, just look how angry God Jesus could get!

"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought,'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn."

more....

"All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy."

From Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT

Doesn't God Jesus seem happier now compared to then?

So at least thank you Mary for being such a good mother.

Amen
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424947 Feb 27, 2013
chuck wrote:
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Saban
why do you debate with catholics? You guys believe alot of the same.
Salvation:
faith
works
baptism
*where you may disagree is, you both believe you belong to the true church.
Interesting that you see it that way, because I don't see where we believe anything the same with the exception that we both believe we were the church established at Pentecost.

I get along very well with the Catholics I know because they are, for the most part, devoted to truth. I believe they have been misled by the "Church" and their devotion to IT is misplaced. But, in daily walks of life for instance, I am for the most part in agreement with them. We typically vote the same and we are typically aligned in many important political stances in life. Believe it or not, I am enraged when I see movies such as *For Greater Glory* to see religious persecution and I feel for Catholics or any 'Christian' religion being persecuted by a governmental force. Our religious freedom is worth fighting for!

But, to get back to your question as this forum is concerned, I don't see the likenesses.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#424948 Feb 27, 2013
Larry wrote:
The Pope sits in the Chair of Saint Peter plus has millions of prayers going out for him.The Roman Catholic Church is the most senior Church in Christianity.As for myself im a Lutheran and i do like many of the recent Popes statements concerning morals.
Thanks Larry. Its a shame that the original Protestants had their 'Protestantism' hijacked and derailed by people who took it to a level no one could have predicted.
I think it time for Lutherans, Angelicans and Methodist to come back into communion with the Bishop of Rome.
In no way am I demeaning your relationship with Jesus Christ nor the graces you receive at Sunday worship in your Lutheran Church. I just think Luther himself should not have broke away even if he had legitimate concerns about the immoral practices of the Catholic hierarchy at that time. Because the truth is, the Church belongs to Jesus Christ. Its His. Nobody has the right to split it up and especially pull people away from the Eucharist.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#424949 Feb 27, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church is rotten to the core, just another tool of Satan.The Truth will stand, when the world is on fire.
Excellent post, wacko1909!
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424950 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes - ALL SCRIPTURE!! Not just the ones you think are or are not.
Are you always this clueless, especially when the words are right in front of you?
BTW - do you have a citation from "God" that states only certain texts are "God inspired"?
You lie, if you say you do.
<quoted text>
Oh yes there is - we've already gone over the Levitical "laws" that you say "are God inspired" and pertinent to the world.
I say they are not, because of their content is not valid in the 21st C. Therefore, are no longer "inspired".
Unless you do beleive the inspiration in the "law" that states a man can rape a virgin girl, and then give her father 50 pieces of money for her hand.
Do you condone rape? Do you condone selling your daughter?
Seeee? These are no longer valid, but they are in the Bible you hold so dearly. In other words, you lied, because this contradicts the moral of society today.
<quoted text>
If this is your mentality, then you failed again. I never hintred at such nonsense, but you will add your own thoughts (Self) to my posts, just to appease your own mind.
Yet once again, "Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?"
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Oh - you know how to tell if soemthing is inspired by "God" and how one is not.
Please tell the forum your insightful view.
<quoted text>
And you now know what "God" is thinking and doing?
(omitted for posting length)
You've failed again.
I commend you for a post that has no cussing, finally! Good job, New Age Spiritual Leader.

We will just have to agree to disagree that your question "Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?" does not suggest that there is some contradiction between the two individuals. We will also have to agree to disagree that I have not answered that question. I've answered it multiple times.

Bottom line: you have not proved your case. I told you the burden of proof was on you to prove that I did in fact resemble that statement you made about me that I completely deny as truth.

As I've come to expect from you, words have once again been placed in my mouth that I've never said. If you could show me where I've said Levitical laws are pertinent to the world today, I would be astonished! It's never something I've believed.

Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Romans 3:22
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Colossians 2:13-17
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

However, the question, was the OT inspired? Yes. Definitely. Jesus quoted from it. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophesy within it. And, most of the writers of the NT quoted it as well.

There is no contradiction between the Old law and the new law that cannot be explained by Jesus' fulfillment of the law.

Which Law was Abolished?
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424951 Feb 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I was hoping for a response in your own words.
The internet I filled with essays of propaganda by self proclaimed authorities on scripture. They slice and dice their way through the Bible until they arrive at the religion they want.
To me, it mean nothing.
Well, YOU asked the question. since I am not an authority on the subject, I found you ANSWERS rather than giving you opinions.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#424952 Feb 27, 2013
The translator's task is compounded by the presence of words and phrases whose original meanings have been lost. In these cases, the translator will attempt to interpret the words and phrases as best as possible based on the context of the word and the translator's opinion of what the author was attempting to convey. When the reader of the translation comes across the translator's attempts at translating the difficult text, the reader almost always makes the assumption the translator has accurately translated the text. The following passage will give an example of some of the difficulties the translators face when attempting to convert the Hebrew text into an understandable English rendering.

Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks.(Genesis 6:16 - RSV)

The above translation seems very clear, concise and understandable. The reader would have no problem understanding the meaning of the text and assumes this translation adequately represents the original text. Behind this translation lies the Hebrew, which must be a translator's nightmare. Below is a literal rendering of the same verse according to the Hebrew.

“A light you do to an ark and to a cubit you complete it from to over it and a door of the ark in its side you put unders twenty and thirty you do.”

This is not an isolated case, but occurs continually throughout the Biblical texts. In order to assist the English reader, the translator has supplied words, phrases, and even whole sentences to enable the reader to understand the text. The reader is rarely aware of the difficulties in translating a certain passage and assumes the translator has accurately translated the text.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424953 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
If "All scripture is inspired by God", then they are just as valid.
Unfortunately, MEN DECIDED that they could play "God" and choose what you are to believe or not.
One does not need a specific religion to understand this.
Perhaps the Holy Spirit played God and preserved what needed to be preserved.

To think otherwise would be questioning the power and effectiveness of the Holy Spirit wouldn't it?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424954 Feb 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You should believe everything you read or see.
This site dates it earlier than GoMark.
But why even argue this point with you, you are so biased in your religion, without researching it fully first, you really don't know the details, and will just go on teh stories that other people tell you.
Why do you follow men?
Since I've explained over and over that I do not follow men, perhaps you could explain how YOU avoid this "following men".

How exactly how you have come to the beliefs you hold dear? I know it completely goes against your nature to answer other's questions, but it would be educational to learn what, how and why you believe.

Why do you think Paul was not enlightened?
guest

United States

#424955 Feb 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
The Gospel of Thomas - So Called
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/554 ...
The Silence of Scriptures - An Argument for Inspiration
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp ...
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Clay wrote:
I was hoping for a response in your own words.
The internet I filled with essays of propaganda by self proclaimed authorities on scripture. They slice and dice their way through the Bible until they arrive at the religion they want.
To me, it mean nothing.
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YOU, Clay, have arrived at the religion the POPE wants AFTER slicing and dicing through the Bible. And it keeps changing with every pope. Now, they are allowed to "resign" ...
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It's bad enough that they ADDED to the Hebrew scripture 7 books that do not belong there and called it Christian.
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Down through history RCC has done WHAT they want - WHEN they want -
regardless of what the Bible says. They have even defied Jesus' own words.
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The church is the CAUSE of most of the confusion. They HID the word of God from the people because ... "they were illiterate." ...so says the Catholic Church. Rather than encouraging or teaching the people to read, the RCC hid the Word of God.... kept it for the "intellectuals" of the Roman Catholic hierarchy .. who waged war and murdered and tortured people and raped children and covered up for the raping of children. And called itself The "Holy Roman Catholic Church" ... whilst doing all those heinous deeds.
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With all that crap going on in the Catholic church is there any wonder there is a profusion of Protestant sects out there? is there any wonder there is confusion? they are ALL ... ALL OF THEM ... trying to separate OUT the falsehoods the RC Church has ADDED to what was first handed to the Apostles. The Catholic Church of today is NOTHING like the First Century Church. If a first century apostle had been raping little boys, they would have BEEN KICKED OUT! Period.
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Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424956 Feb 27, 2013
952
ironman77 wrote:
The translator's task is compounded by the presence of words and phrases whose original meanings have been lost. In these cases, the translator will attempt to interpret the words and phrases as best as possible based on the context of the word and the translator's opinion of what the author was attempting to convey. When the reader of the translation comes across the translator's attempts at translating the difficult text, the reader almost always makes the assumption the translator has accurately translated the text. The following passage will give an example of some of the difficulties the translators face when attempting to convert the Hebrew text into an understandable English rendering.
Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks.(Genesis 6:16 - RSV)
The above translation seems very clear, concise and understandable. The reader would have no problem understanding the meaning of the text and assumes this translation adequately represents the original text. Behind this translation lies the Hebrew, which must be a translator's nightmare. Below is a literal rendering of the same verse according to the Hebrew.
“A light you do to an ark and to a cubit you complete it from to over it and a door of the ark in its side you put unders twenty and thirty you do.”
This is not an isolated case, but occurs continually throughout the Biblical texts. In order to assist the English reader, the translator has supplied words, phrases, and even whole sentences to enable the reader to understand the text. The reader is rarely aware of the difficulties in translating a certain passage and assumes the translator has accurately translated the text.
Nice try to show the Word of God as nothing but gobble-goop....

Ge 6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.KJV....

Show me the Hebrew words in that verse per Strong's Hebrew lexicon that says what you say it says...

Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt make a window in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish the top of it: and the door of the ark thou shalt set in the side: with lower, middle chambers, and third stories shalt thou make it.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424957 Feb 27, 2013
More accusations from the limited read follower of men.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Another Example: When did I ever say that I thought I needed to trust you? I think I stated I don't trust you. You've given me NO reason to.
You may be the finest example of anyone I've seen on this thread of placing words in people's mouths that were never there.
Again, presumption.
This is killing your credibility, New Age Spiritual Leader.
Try this:
Begin formulating an idea and presenting it, without pre-conceived presumption, and prove the validity of your case on the matter.
You can do it!
You sure did reflect upon "my trust", thus implying that I must have not fit the description that you seem to think exists.

Saban fan wrote:
?1. I believe the scriptures are inspired (directly from God) therefore I am not trusting man over God. This is precisely the reason I don't trust you.

New Age wrote:
I never asked you to trust me, so stop thinking you need to.

Boy, you sure have a lot of problems with understanding - not only what is inspired by "God" and what is not, but also a major reading comprehension problem.

Like I said - I never asked you to trust me.

Stop being so arrogant, and maybe then you can get past these small challenges that face you.

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