Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424684 Feb 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you diverting from answering the question?
Let's try it again.
Do you now find Luke more enlightened than Jesus?
Why don't you believe in all of what Jesus taught?
In logic, there is a principle called the Law of the Excluded Middle. Simply stated, it is this: a thing must either be, or not be, the case. A line is either straight, or it is not. There is no middle position. Applied to the Bible, one therefore might declare: The Scriptures are either inspired of God, or they are not inspired of God. If the writings of the Bible are not inspired of God, then they are the mere productions of men, and as such would merit no religious respect.

Paul wrote:“Every scripture is inspired of God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work”(2 Timothy 3:16-17).

It is quite clear that the penmen of Scripture were conscious of the fact that they were recording the words of God. Paul wrote:“I received of the Lord that which I also delivered unto you”(1 Corinthians 11:23). Again,“This we say unto you by the word of the Lord”(1 Thessalonians 4:15).“When you received from us the word of the message, even the word of God, you accepted it not as the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the word of God, which also works in you that believe”(1 Thessalonians 2:13). When Philip preached in Samaria, those people to whom he spoke had heard “the word of God”(Acts 8:14).

In one passage, Paul asked:“For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him?” He means this: you cannot know what is in my mind until I, by my words, reveal to you what I am thinking. That is the apostle’s illustration. Here is his point.“Even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God...which things (the things of God) we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words”(1 Corinthians 2:11-13). There is not a more comprehensive statement of verbal inspiration to be found anywhere in the holy writings. The mind of God has been made known by means of the inspired words of those representatives whom He chose for that noble task.

The biblical writers considered one another’s productions to be inspired of God. In 1 Timothy 5:18, Paul writes:“For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn. And, The laborer is worthy of his hire.” In this passage, the apostle has combined Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7, and classified them both as “scripture.” Similarly, Peter refers to Paul’s epistles as “scripture” in 2 Peter 3:15-16.

To answer your last question, I believe everything that Jesus taught. Jesus Christ promised His apostles that the words of their gospel declaration would be given them. He told them:“But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what you shall speak; for it shall be given you in that hour what you shall speak”(Matthew 10:19). And, note Luke’s parallel that they were not to “meditate beforehand” how to answer their antagonists (Luke 21:14).

I personally exalt the Holy Scriptures as the living Word of God (Hebrews 4:12), therefore if Luke's writings were inspired by God I could not say they were more or less enlightened than Jesus' teachings because they were Jesus' teachings.

To try to prove otherwise would be to find contradiction where, if the scriptures are in fact inspired, none exists.

Typically if we think we've found contradiction it is our faulty interpretations not taking into account the full context. In those instances, we need to take a step back and look at the audience being spoken to (i.e. was the church in existence?) and determine when the teaching was taking place and to whether the one's being taught were already in the church or not.
preston

Waverly, OH

#424685 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, preston, you failed to cite where the Mission in Tucson houses relics (a guy in glass made of bones).
So, you're wrong. I cited an abundance of source material on the place and no mention of relics housed there.
but you are the great guru that was going to prove me wrong, now like clay, you are backing up. like I said, there is no mention of a jail up the hillside either but it is there.lol

just admit that you cant prove me wrong or better yet, go out there and see for yourself. but let me warn you, it is one stinking place but a fit place for your clergy.lol

I just googled this so look at what this person says{about a hill}lol.

“Laid-back slice of history”
Reviewed 16 February 2013 You can take a guided tour of the premises, but you don't have to wait if you want to show yourself around. Peaceful cathedral and grounds. Free admission, although donations are always accepted. Gift shop, museum.

Take a short hike up the hill. It's under different ownership, but you're free to wander up there.

There is a fascinating cemetery on the way, but the Tohono O'odham thank you for not photographing it.

http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Revi...
preston

Waverly, OH

#424686 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, prove your statement correct.
That's your burden. I've provided plenty to disprove your statement.
like always you ahve to resort to lies.

YOU HAVENT PROVIDED ANYTHING EXCDEPET TO SAY THAT THE PICTURE OF THE DEAD BONES WAS NOT SHOWN. WHICH PROVES NOTHING.

I just showed another person who spoke of a hill. what more do you want? want me to pay for you to go there so you can see that jail for yourself on that hillside?

PROVE ME WRONG LIKE YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO.
preston

Waverly, OH

#424687 Feb 25, 2013
the first picture shown shows the hill.lol.as you can look down at the church.

http://emol.org/tucson/sanxavier/index.html

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424688 Feb 25, 2013
683
marge wrote:
Salvation
God's Part... John 3:16
Christs Part... Rom 5:8
Man's Part... John 6:37
Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

A. God's part...He commendeth his love toward us.
B. Christ died for us.

Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

A. God's part...the Father gave all that He would to Christ...
B. Christ's part...He will not cast out any that come to him.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424689 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't need to believe anything about authenticity of relics. For some reason, you get fixated on stupid stuff.
I said a bone fragment. Not a leg.
As for your USA Protestant ideals you boast about?
I don't think id be too proud of that mess. But a guy like would see abortion as a successful measure of woman's rights. Your ideals are ruining this society from within, only you're too stuck on self to see it.
1... Who said anything about a leg? I said bones. As for the spin about belief and authenticity -- it's called fraud.

2... As for America's terrible ideals and stuck on self -- walk your talk -- stop whining and move to Mexico where you can enjoy the fruits of your RCC ideals.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424690 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
Thanks Dan.

Back to my point -- it makes no sense whatsoever that an institution that is supposedly "perfect" in its teachings on morals -- fails to forcefully condemn the immorality of slavery until December 3, 1839.

Many U.S. states had done so well before. Pennsylvania and a few others had outlawed slavery before George Washington took office.

So much for those RCC "perfect teachings" on morals.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#424691 Feb 25, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
When I visited the Roman Catholic Church in Gettysburg Pa..
FOR MY NEPHEWS WEDDING...
I felt out of place..THE PLACE WAS FOREBODING .
I could not comprehend that those that
call themselves Christians would GO TO SUCH EXTREMES TO BE
diametrically apposed to the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD......
THE STATUES AND GRAVEN IMAGES....CREATED AN ERIE ATMOSPHERE OF A PAGAN
TEMPLE.
THE BIRD THAT WAS PORTRAYED ON THE PODIUM ...
(with the appearance of AN Egyptian ibis)
was especially inappropriately displayed in a place that supposed to
be a House of prayer.
Reminds me of the words of the Apostle Paul..
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ALSO THE words of Jesus...WHEN HE WAS INSULTED AND UPSET AT THE DISPLAY THAT WAS IN THE HEAVENLY FATHERS HOUSE...
Mat_21:13 And said unto them, It is written,-->My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written,--> My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luk_19:46 Saying unto them, It is written,---> My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
I don't doubt one bit you or Preston or LTM or anyone else would be very uncomfortable inside a Catholic Church. I couldn't imagine one of ya stepping foot through the doors.
You guys are paranoid conspiracy Christians. You programmed thoughts into your brain like,'God would be jealous of those statues of His Son and Mother.' Or 'those people are worshipping the statues and Mary'.
Of course, its all based on lies from your side. If I was you, I would be more concerned about the lies.
To me, that's what would creep me out if I attended one of your celebrations and heard all the deception directed towards the Catholic Church.

Confrint, I really want to know how Kay is doing.
preston

Waverly, OH

#424692 Feb 25, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG--as usual!---These comments are just a continuation of
more of your "anti-catholic--BS" of which you are so "famous for" Confrinting...... You and your other Bible only Protestants that have "polluted this forum" with their (heretical) vengeance, hostility and hatred against Jesus Christ and His One (and only) True Apostolic Church,--- are "getting more and more desperate" with each comment--and you, Confrinting--are the lead (heretic)_ in the--"trumpet section" that continues to "blow out, more (hot air) than anyone else. You "editorialize and opinionize the bible"---with this quoting (or better yet mis-quoting) one bible verse after another---"laced" with one lie and one "distorted opinion" after another ----attacking Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The fact is that "nothing of what you say has absolutely (no basis) of truth" what-so-ever, to back up ANYTHING that comes out of your "vindictive, beligerent,(snake oil) ministerial (mouth)"! You are not fooling "anyone" except yourself with these "lies, deceit and your condemning judgment heretical (trash talking) comments!!! I am quote sure that the devil is rejoicing--knowing that he has a "so-called Christian minister (firmly "hooked") into his hate-filled, judgemental and condeming--camp!!! You do not speak for God, never have and (probably) "never will" until you come to TRUE Salvation in Jesus Christ!! My family and I continue to pray for you and Kay Marie-each day at daily Mass--that the Holy Spirit will reveal His "ecumentical" charity and unity in the Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself in and through His One True Catholic Church1
(the true Bride of Christ)
in your estimation, just WHO does speak for Christ? can Christ trust your catholic clerics who preach against homosexuality and then practice it themselves, as the cardinal from scotland.can a house divided stand?

The Sin is so rampant in your rcc that even your leader couldnt take it any longer and resigned.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#424693 Feb 25, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a load of rubbish. These so-called saints originate with the Roman Calendar of Gods.
The Hierarchy of the Roman Empire now called the Roman Church
Roman Empire offices & their modern names:
Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) renamed: Roman Catholic Church.
Curia (legal body of Senators) slight name change: Curia (legal body of Cardinals).
Roman Emperor renamed: Roman Pope (head of all church and state affairs).
Roman College of Senators renamed: College of Cardinals.
Roman Senators renamed: Cardinals.
Roman Governors renamed: Archbishops.
Roman Senator with no territory: Bishop.
(Large) Roman Province renamed: Archdiocese.
(Small) Roman Territory renamed: Diocese.
Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat renamed: Throne of St. Peter.
Vestal Virgins renamed: Nuns.
Pontiff or "high priest " of a pagan religious order (Zues, Apollo, Diana, Mars, Jupiter, Baal, Dionysys, Pythia etc) same name: Pontiff.
The Roman Calender and Holy Days of the gods renamed: Calendar Holidays of the Saints.
Legal act of creating a god (of a living or dead human, as was done to most of the Caesars) "Apotheosis of the Gods" renamed: Canonization of the Saints.
A decree of Caesar (dictator for life): Pope's infalliable Papal Bull.
Praying to a dead human god renamed: Praying to a saint.
In the US the highest law of the land is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the Vatican State the Constitution is called the Code of Canon Law.
Thanks. I have been suspecting this for many years.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424694 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The only ideals you mentioned as being "ideals which grew from the Reformation" dealt with US civil law precepts. Sorry-you mentioned them. Was I supposed to read your mind if you meant otherwise? You ran it more than once.
So what?

Your goal is not to understand. Your goal is to spin reality.

As for dealing with "US civil law," again -- not true. The Bill of Rights deal with both civil and criminal law, along with religion, free assembly, and more.

Mostly anti-Catholic in the day too. You'd understand more if you actually read those articles.

In fact, you wouldn't be here if you held the RCC to the same standards of proof and accountability as you almost certainly hold all others.

But we all have different standards for what we WANT TO BELIEVE.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#424695 Feb 25, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
1... Who said anything about a leg? I said bones. As for the spin about belief and authenticity -- it's called fraud.
2... As for America's terrible ideals and stuck on self -- walk your talk -- stop whining and move to Mexico where you can enjoy the fruits of your RCC ideals.
I don't have to move to Mexico. I married a Mexican lady here. My kids are half Mexican.
And yeah, I'm thoroughly impressed by her families Catholic ideals.
And those immigrant Mexican folks have spruced up parts of Saint Paul that were run down. I appreciate that. They are very family oriented and have good moral qualities... And they are Catholic.

Btw, I'm pretty sure the Mexican government dislikes the CC just like you. I think they waged an actual war towards Catholicism a hundred yrs ago. The Christero wars I believe?
preston

Waverly, OH

#424696 Feb 25, 2013
her is the grotto on that hillside. hopefully I can find the jail for ole dan patch.
which is just around that hillside.
http://photos.igougo.com/pictures-photos-p491...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424697 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is the Church is creditied with omniscience.
The Pope has to read the paper to find out what's happening same as everyone else.
You are spinning again.

What was the Pope's position before he became Pope? It was his job to know then.

More reality -- the Pope read it in the papers for over a decade.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/05/us-...

Try actually reading the article before going into denial mode

The media didn't tell him or the RCC about the problem. The media forced the church to finally confront the problem.

The one true claim is once again BUSTED.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424698 Feb 25, 2013
We get the spin.

The church didn't torture or kill anyone during the inquisitions.

By the same standard...

Hitler didn't kill any Jews.

Stalin didn't imprison and murder millions.

It was their underlings and maybe Hitler and Stalin didn't know, right?
preston

Waverly, OH

#424699 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't doubt one bit you or Preston or LTM or anyone else would be very uncomfortable inside a Catholic Church. I couldn't imagine one of ya stepping foot through the doors.
You guys are paranoid conspiracy Christians. You programmed thoughts into your brain like,'God would be jealous of those statues of His Son and Mother.' Or 'those people are worshipping the statues and Mary'.
Of course, its all based on lies from your side. If I was you, I would be more concerned about the lies.
To me, that's what would creep me out if I attended one of your celebrations and heard all the deception directed towards the Catholic Church.
Confrint, I really want to know how Kay is doing.
clay, I have preached many times in Pentecostel churches, attended many baptist churches and was asked to join the freewill baptist church who was willing to accept my Credentials as an Ordained Minister.

AND IN NONE OF THEM HAVE I EVER FELT WHAT I FELT AT THAT CATHOLIC CHURCH. and the answer is obvious, Christ has no place in your church, now you can like that or not, i dont care. it will be to your church that He comes back to destroy, not ours!

ask Karen if she ever comes back on here if she has heard me preach against your church on the tapes that I sent her several years ago. when People come to a Christian church they need to hear about God and his mercy, not about the filth that abounds in the rcc
preston

Waverly, OH

#424700 Feb 25, 2013
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ugardener/443721...

this picture shows the small jail to the right of the lion, you can see the entrance.lol@DAN

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#424701 Feb 25, 2013
Did any of you know that Lenin is an "incorruptible"?
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#424702 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Justice the new wine Jesus made at the wedding was unfermented,
Just as it was at the Passover Supper.
John 2: 3-6 "And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him,'They have no wine.' Jesus said to her,'Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me.? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servants,'Whatever He says to you, do it." Now there were set there six water pots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece."' ANSWER: Although the fermented and unfermented wines are translated from the same original word, the Biblical context establishes that no alcoholic drink is approved in God's Word. Jesus certainly would not go contrary to the Old Testament Scriptures which specifically forbade fermented wine. Proverbs 20:1 and Proverbs 23:29-32 indisputably condemn the use of alcoholic beverage. Would Christ disobey the Scriptures? It is unconceivable. It is true that wine is often approved for use in the Bible, but this is the pure juice of the grape without fermentation. Here is evidence that this kind of wine is a blessing: "Thus says the Lord:'As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one says,'Do not destroy it, for a blessing is in it,' so will I do for My servants' sake, that I may not destroy them all"' Isaiah 65:8. This wine is "in the cluster," or fresh from the grape. It is a blessing, but not the "strong wine," "mixed wine," or alcoholic beverage.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424703 Feb 25, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG--as usual!---These comments are just a continuation of
more of your "anti-catholic--BS" of which you are so "famous for" Confrinting...... You and your other Bible only Protestants that have "polluted this forum" with their (heretical) vengeance, hostility and hatred against Jesus Christ and His One (and only) True Apostolic Church,--- are "getting more and more desperate" with each comment--and you, Confrinting--are the lead (heretic)_ in the--"trumpet section" that continues to "blow out, more (hot air) than anyone else. You "editorialize and opinionize the bible"---with this quoting (or better yet mis-quoting) one bible verse after another---"laced" with one lie and one "distorted opinion" after another ----attacking Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The fact is that "nothing of what you say has absolutely (no basis) of truth" what-so-ever, to back up ANYTHING that comes out of your "vindictive, beligerent,(snake oil) ministerial (mouth)"! You are not fooling "anyone" except yourself with these "lies, deceit and your condemning judgment heretical (trash talking) comments!!! I am quote sure that the devil is rejoicing--knowing that he has a "so-called Christian minister (firmly "hooked") into his hate-filled, judgemental and condeming--camp!!! You do not speak for God, never have and (probably) "never will" until you come to TRUE Salvation in Jesus Christ!! My family and I continue to pray for you and Kay Marie-each day at daily Mass--that the Holy Spirit will reveal His "ecumentical" charity and unity in the Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself in and through His One True Catholic Church1
(the true Bride of Christ)
~~~
YOU WROTE

"You and your other Bible only Protestants that have
polluted this forum."

~~~

We have POLLUTED...THIS FORUM?...LOL

There is no way that WE EVANGELICALS... can pollute this forum...

(which forum ... is of no eternal consequence)

___

YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS....

HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CONTAMINATE,

DISTORT, POLLUTE, DESTROY, DEL-LUTE, DELETE REPLACE,

AND COUNTERFEIT...GOD'S ETERNAL PLAN OF SALVATION.

Your accountability will be to GOD...

for your REJECTION, ATTACKS AND WARRING against His word..

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