Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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<quoted text>please show the post that you are referring to.I cant answer when I dont know what was being discussed.
as far as my receiving the Holy Ghost, Of course it was spiritual as well as a Physical Experience.
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<quoted text>lol, I am not a campbellite like saban and hank. even saban by nw knows that my docrine is that of the Holiness Beliefs9(second definitve Work of Grace). maybe you read where I said that my wife sings by herself without any music. she likes to wait on the Lord and if he gives her the Blessing to sing , she sings, and by that I mean she stands up in the pew testifys alittle bit about how Good God is to her and then she Blesses Him by singing her Praise to her.which is something that you people never do, I guess.
as far as the Last Supper, I disregard any lies taught by your church, concerning the actual Words of Jesus. ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT HE WAS SPEAKING SPIRITUALLY, WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE A CATHOLIC AND I, ON THE OTHER HAND AM SAVED.

Atemboy: "I disregard any lies taught by your church, concerning the actual Words of Jesus. ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT HE WAS SPEAKING SPIRITUALLY, WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE A CATHOLIC AND I, ON THE OTHER HAND AM SAVED."

Saban fan's response: I don't know, Preston. Used to I might have thought that He was speaking spiritually too. But now after your convincing description of those holes opening up in your belly and that water flowing out on your bed from those holes keeping the bed dry, is all giving me doubts...

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Didn't you correct someone a couple of days ago suggesting that Jesus was speaking from a spiritual standpoint and not a physical one? I don't suppose that could apply to the drying water that flowed freely out of the openings that came forth from your stomach.

Preston's response: "please show the post that you are referring to.I cant answer when I dont know what was being discussed.
as far as my receiving the Holy Ghost, Of course it was spiritual as well as a Physical Experience"
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Out of simple curiosity, can you cite where it says that it isn't wine, rather grape juice?
Wine is fermented, and it alone is mentioned on both occasions you refer to here.
Dan we have already been through this, You didn't believe the bible the first or second time fourth or fifth time.
I am not up to going through it again.

the people at the Wedding feast were already drunk, why would Jesus give them fermented wine , to contribute to their condition when the bible clearly says that drunks will not enter the Kingdom of God. Do you believe Jesus would temp someone to do something the Bible clearly said would keep them from Heaven.
Then Die on the cross . Use Common sense Clay.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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The Bible says
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Who said anything about drunkenness?

I didn't.

I said "drinking isn't a sin". Your passages support this notion. It says "in excess".
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dAN, i ALSO CANT BRING UP THE LINK BECAUSE IT IS BLOCKED BY MY BROWSER.
JUST GOOGLE THE NAME.
San_Xavier_del_Bac.
AND WIKI WILL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT INCLUDING THAT ENCLAVE TO THE LEFT.SINCE TEH INTERIOR IS MADE IN TEH SHAPE OF ACROSS, i DIDNT KNOW THAT. i DIDNT LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THE STENCH WAS KILLING ME AND I JUST WANTED TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT SMELL AS i COULD. THE JAIL UP THE HILL DIDNT SMELL THAT BAD.LOL
Here's the Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_San_Xavi...

Nothing about anyone under glass.
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this confirms what I said about a enclave to the left.
The floor plan of the church resembles the classic Latin cross. The main aisle is separated from the sanctuary by the transept or cross aisle,
with chapels at either end.
THE BONES WERE AT THE RIGHT WHEN YOU WALK INTO THAT PART OF THAT BUILDING.
The dome above the transept is 52 feet (16 m) high supported by arches and squinches. At least three different artists painted the artwork inside the church. It is considered by many to be the finest example of Spanish mission architecture in the United States[citation needed
You haven't cited anything, thus nothing "confirmed" about bones under glass.

Cite something.
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preston wrote:
<quoted text>GUESS THAT YOU CANT READ.
TO ME, IT SEEMED AS IT WAS A WOMAN WHO ENTERED INTO THE WOMENS RESTROOM AND SAID IT SMELLED LIKE A MENS URINAL.
READ IT AGAIN.
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i live in tucson and i use to go to the mission when i was little... i havent gone in over 10 years and greatly disappointed with its up keep. i actually went today 10/2/11 and used the [[[[womens restroom ]]]]mind you and it stunk like a mens urinal in a bar i wanted to puke i was embarrassed.
SHE PROBABLY GOES TO THE SAME BAR AS The REST OF THE "good catholics"and knows what the mens urinal smells like.lol.
If I hadnt been inside it, How then would I have know about an enclave to the left.lol, IN THE SHAPE OF A CROSS.LOL
You haven't cited anything that mentions "enclave".

Please do so.

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Saban fan wrote:
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"atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol, I am not a campbellite like saban and hank. even saban by nw knows that my docrine is that of the Holiness Beliefs9(second definitve Work of Grace). maybe you read where I said that my wife sings by herself without any music. she likes to wait on the Lord and if he gives her the Blessing to sing , she sings, and by that I mean she stands up in the pew testifys alittle bit about how Good God is to her and then she Blesses Him by singing her Praise to her.which is something that you people never do, I guess.
as far as the Last Supper, I disregard any lies taught by your church, concerning the actual Words of Jesus. ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT HE WAS SPEAKING SPIRITUALLY, WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE A CATHOLIC AND I, ON THE OTHER HAND AM SAVED.
Atemboy: "I disregard any lies taught by your church, concerning the actual Words of Jesus. ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT HE WAS SPEAKING SPIRITUALLY, WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE A CATHOLIC AND I, ON THE OTHER HAND AM SAVED."
Saban fan's response: I don't know, Preston. Used to I might have thought that He was speaking spiritually too. But now after your convincing description of those holes opening up in your belly and that water flowing out on your bed from those holes keeping the bed dry, is all giving me doubts...
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Saban fan wrote:
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Didn't you correct someone a couple of days ago suggesting that Jesus was speaking from a spiritual standpoint and not a physical one? I don't suppose that could apply to the drying water that flowed freely out of the openings that came forth from your stomach.
Preston's response: "please show the post that you are referring to.I cant answer when I dont know what was being discussed.
as far as my receiving the Holy Ghost, Of course it was spiritual as well as a Physical Experience"
several posts all together,
WHAT IS YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION?

when i spoke about the last Supper, I believe the words (concerning the bread and wine)of Jesus were not Literal, they were figurative. since as I have said many times, his body was never broken in the first place.CASE CLOSED ON THAT ONE.

when Jesus spoke the Words of Is. they were figurative also. that the Holy Ghost would be given to a person that was thirsty for Righteousness. and he described how that would happen to a certain individual, and for your info, I am not ashamed that He selected me for that Spiriual Experience.

fOr who would have thought that he would have chosen me for that Experience ,that He would make such a Covenant as he made with me.
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Dan we have already been through this, You didn't believe the bible the first or second time fourth or fifth time.
I am not up to going through it again.
the people at the Wedding feast were already drunk, why would Jesus give them fermented wine , to contribute to their condition when the bible clearly says that drunks will not enter the Kingdom of God. Do you believe Jesus would temp someone to do something the Bible clearly said would keep them from Heaven.
Then Die on the cross . Use Common sense Clay.
We are supposed to use the bible, LTM, not "common sense" as you insist. You tell us that all the time.

Use the Bible here. Cite where it isn't wine when it's called "wine" in scripture.
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Here's the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_San_Xavi...
Nothing about anyone under glass.
nothing about tHE jail up on the hill where they enslaved Indians eitehr.

SO WHAT?
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I wonder who's bones were in it? It must have been someone important.
At the Cathedral of Saint Paul, MN there is some bone fragments of the Apostle Paul inside the alter. I guess the appropriate thing to do if we get to see it inside the glass, would be to light a candle and say a prayer. This sign of respect for the Saint shouldn't gross you out.
A couple weeks ago, they displayed some of the stones from Pauls tomb. It was neat seeing the very rocks that was part of this Apostles resting place.
No way. That's just one more RCC fraud.

No?

Wouldn't it be great to DNA test all of the Apostle Paul's bone fragments. The guy must have been a 50 foot tall giant to produce all the bone fragments that supposedly exist.

Why do Catholics believe that outright fraud is somehow a requirement of a "one true" church?

Do you really believe Jesus wanted a church with zero integrity and zero accountability?

Amazing.
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Dan we have already been through this, You didn't believe the bible the first or second time fourth or fifth time.
I am not up to going through it again.
the people at the Wedding feast were already drunk, why would Jesus give them fermented wine , to contribute to their condition when the bible clearly says that drunks will not enter the Kingdom of God. Do you believe Jesus would temp someone to do something the Bible clearly said would keep them from Heaven.
Then Die on the cross . Use Common sense Clay.
"Do you believe Jesus would temp someone to do something the Bible clearly said would keep them from Heaven."

No. Thus my point is proven RE: drinking not being a sin.

Please note that Christ isn't bound by the Bible. You infer this and it isn't so. WE may be bound to Scripture, but Christ certainly exists
outside of this. Recall that He is divine.
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No way. That's just one more RCC fraud.
No?
Wouldn't it be great to DNA test all of the Apostle Paul's bone fragments. The guy must have been a 50 foot tall giant to produce all the bone fragments that supposedly exist.
Why do Catholics believe that outright fraud is somehow a requirement of a "one true" church?
Do you really believe Jesus wanted a church with zero integrity and zero accountability?
Amazing.
It's abundantly more accountable than the "amazing factoids" you post.
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<quoted text>nothing about tHE jail up on the hill where they enslaved Indians eitehr.
SO WHAT?
Ok.

You made that up too, I guess.

Better?

Next time, do some homework before you post BS up, unless of course you enjoy being exposed as a fraud.
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Dan wrote:
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LOL.
"almost zero walk" save for the largest charitable and educational operations undertaken by any Christian faith.
The rest of your post conveniently insists that we forget that your "reformation ideals" noted had nothing to do with the civil rights you lay out.
You can have your own opinion, FM, but not your own facts.
Human rights that grew out of the Reformation... How's that?

Nice spin anyhow.

Why would any "one true church" of Jesus be against the Bill of Rights?

Why would any "one true church" of Jesus be one of the only institutions on earth to recognize the slave states during the American Civil War?

Why would any "one true church" of Jesus wait 1800+ years to officially condemn slavery anyhow?

Point being -- the RCC's supposed "perfect teachings" on morals are anything but. In fact, history says time and again that your church is a fraud.

Fake artifacts.

Fake miracles.

But it's a nice racket selling tickets to Heaven to suckers. That's impressive. When it starts promoting morals and virtue over money and power, get back to us.
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Why?

Why did it take a supposed "one-true church guided by God" decades to realize that...

... a small amount of "counselling " would NOT stop child predators within its ranks?

An RCC spokesman actually admitted recently that it took the world media to bring this decades-long (or longer) problem to their attention.

The media knew more about morality than the RCC.

What does THAT tell us?
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Free Mind wrote:
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Human rights that grew out of the Reformation... How's that?
Nice spin anyhow.
Why would any "one true church" of Jesus be against the Bill of Rights?
Why would any "one true church" of Jesus be one of the only institutions on earth to recognize the slave states during the American Civil War?
Why would any "one true church" of Jesus wait 1800+ years to officially condemn slavery anyhow?
Point being -- the RCC's supposed "perfect teachings" on morals are anything but. In fact, history says time and again that your church is a fraud.
Fake artifacts.
Fake miracles.
But it's a nice racket selling tickets to Heaven to suckers. That's impressive. When it starts promoting morals and virtue over money and power, get back to us.
You linked US civil law precepts with "reformnation ideals".

They aren't linked. The Reformation predated the founding of the US by several hundered years. and had not a thing to do with governance.

Your still linking them here, all while accusing me of spinning that you actually did it earlier. Talk out of one side of your mouth or the other, FM-not both.

The deists or protestants who founded the country owned slaves. Forget that small detail?

There goes that post, doesn't it? Go back to the drawing board.
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Why?
Why did it take a supposed "one-true church guided by God" decades to realize that...
... a small amount of "counselling " would NOT stop child predators within its ranks?
An RCC spokesman actually admitted recently that it took the world media to bring this decades-long (or longer) problem to their attention.
The media knew more about morality than the RCC.
What does THAT tell us?
It tells us that you continue to run out anecdotes without citing them as statements of fact at which we should all gaze in wonderment.

Same old routine.
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We are supposed to use the bible, LTM, not "common sense" as you insist. You tell us that all the time.
Use the Bible here. Cite where it isn't wine when it's called "wine" in scripture.
Dan yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time.

Your smart alec remarks, are not going to save you.
I was trying to make a point with you from the information I recieved from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
Your interpretation of the bible has no logic and you use no common sense.
Through out the bible , O.T. and N.T. God warns about getting drunk, so why would Jesus give fermented wine to a bunch of people who were already drunk.
Now try and put 2 and 2 together I am sure you will figure it out.
New wine is made from the fruit of the vine that has not been left to rotten, ferement wine is made from rotten fruit.
that is what your church feeds you rotten fruit.
Jesus body didn't rotten in the grave, and His blood isn't full of alcohol.
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Dan yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time.
Your smart alec remarks, are not going to save you.
I was trying to make a point with you from the information I recieved from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
Your interpretation of the bible has no logic and you use no common sense.
Through out the bible , O.T. and N.T. God warns about getting drunk, so why would Jesus give fermented wine to a bunch of people who were already drunk.
Now try and put 2 and 2 together I am sure you will figure it out.
New wine is made from the fruit of the vine that has not been left to rotten, ferement wine is made from rotten fruit.
that is what your church feeds you rotten fruit.
Jesus body didn't rotten in the grave, and His blood isn't full of alcohol.
You told Clay to use "common sense" respective to a scriptural matter. What you call "smart alec", I call "reading your post".

You persist here in appealing to my "common sense" instead of simply adhereing to scripture, which you do "all the time", except when I ask you to provide it. Bible verses all day untill I ask for them. Then, you refuse to do it.

Again, for the final time, when is wine actually not wine even when the Bible calls it "wine"?

The passage in question is excerpted below. While you're finding where "wine" actually isn't "wine" when it says it is, I'd also like a citation that tells us that the guests are "already drunk". I can't seem to find that here.

Best of luck.
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Jesus Changes Water Into Wine

2 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him,“They have no more wine.”

4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied.“My hour has not yet come.”

5 His mother said to the servants,“Do whatever he tells you.”

6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[b]

7 Jesus said to the servants,“Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them,“Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said,“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

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