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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424633 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We are supposed to use the bible, LTM, not "common sense" as you insist. You tell us that all the time.
Use the Bible here. Cite where it isn't wine when it's called "wine" in scripture.
Dan yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time.

Your smart alec remarks, are not going to save you.
I was trying to make a point with you from the information I recieved from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
Your interpretation of the bible has no logic and you use no common sense.
Through out the bible , O.T. and N.T. God warns about getting drunk, so why would Jesus give fermented wine to a bunch of people who were already drunk.
Now try and put 2 and 2 together I am sure you will figure it out.
New wine is made from the fruit of the vine that has not been left to rotten, ferement wine is made from rotten fruit.
that is what your church feeds you rotten fruit.
Jesus body didn't rotten in the grave, and His blood isn't full of alcohol.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424634 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time.
Your smart alec remarks, are not going to save you.
I was trying to make a point with you from the information I recieved from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
Your interpretation of the bible has no logic and you use no common sense.
Through out the bible , O.T. and N.T. God warns about getting drunk, so why would Jesus give fermented wine to a bunch of people who were already drunk.
Now try and put 2 and 2 together I am sure you will figure it out.
New wine is made from the fruit of the vine that has not been left to rotten, ferement wine is made from rotten fruit.
that is what your church feeds you rotten fruit.
Jesus body didn't rotten in the grave, and His blood isn't full of alcohol.
You told Clay to use "common sense" respective to a scriptural matter. What you call "smart alec", I call "reading your post".

You persist here in appealing to my "common sense" instead of simply adhereing to scripture, which you do "all the time", except when I ask you to provide it. Bible verses all day untill I ask for them. Then, you refuse to do it.

Again, for the final time, when is wine actually not wine even when the Bible calls it "wine"?

The passage in question is excerpted below. While you're finding where "wine" actually isn't "wine" when it says it is, I'd also like a citation that tells us that the guests are "already drunk". I can't seem to find that here.

Best of luck.
----------
Jesus Changes Water Into Wine

2 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him,“They have no more wine.”

4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied.“My hour has not yet come.”

5 His mother said to the servants,“Do whatever he tells you.”

6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[b]

7 Jesus said to the servants,“Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them,“Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said,“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#424635 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>lol, just thought about some of these people lighting candles(people in the church sell them). when I was asked if I wanted a candle, I just laughed at them. I said, the guy is dead, he dont need any light.
and if he was a Christian, then jesus provides all of the light that he needs, and if he is hell, a little candle aint gonna help him see. he aint gonna be able to find away out.
the place is morbid, clay, and if that is representqaive of what you peoeple go to, I really feel sorry for you. filthy church with filthy church leaders.
I don't know of any Church with glass cases of bones displayed. A link would be nice.
In any event, a candle would have been lit for respect while praying. Not because they thought the guy needed light.

You're pretty ignorant. I'm not knocking Southerners, but many down there don't take kindly to anything they ain't used too seeing. Everything is dumb to them because sometimes they can't grasp that other people 'might do things different' or sometimes,'might look a little different'. I know Ohio is the Midwest, but man I was in Cincinnati and they are definitely southerners there.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424636 Feb 25, 2013
endtime wrote:
.
----#---- NEXT POPE is ANTICHRIST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mXWcaR0DuWoXX
.
For some time we know prophecy has been coming true at a great rate.
We also know the end of the story, that Jesus reigns over His people [He is our High Priest.] NOT SOME MAN SITTING IN THE VATICAN, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS A CESSPOOL OF EVIL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
Whatever falls on the catholic church, is up to God.
We who belong to Jesus keep your eyes on HIM.
Have no fear because fear is believing the devils lies.
"FEAR NOT JESUS SAYS ALL THESE THINGS MUST TAKE PLACE"
I am looking for the up taker, not the under taker.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424637 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know of any Church with glass cases of bones displayed. A link would be nice.
In any event, a candle would have been lit for respect while praying. Not because they thought the guy needed light.
You're pretty ignorant. I'm not knocking Southerners, but many down there don't take kindly to anything they ain't used too seeing. Everything is dumb to them because sometimes they can't grasp that other people 'might do things different' or sometimes,'might look a little different'. I know Ohio is the Midwest, but man I was in Cincinnati and they are definitely southerners there.
He's not ignorant. You're giving him too much credit.

He was just lying.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424638 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time.
Your smart alec remarks, are not going to save you.
I was trying to make a point with you from the information I recieved from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
Your interpretation of the bible has no logic and you use no common sense.
Through out the bible , O.T. and N.T. God warns about getting drunk, so why would Jesus give fermented wine to a bunch of people who were already drunk.
Now try and put 2 and 2 together I am sure you will figure it out.
New wine is made from the fruit of the vine that has not been left to rotten, ferement wine is made from rotten fruit.
that is what your church feeds you rotten fruit.
Jesus body didn't rotten in the grave, and His blood isn't full of alcohol.
Telling us that the Bible doesn't say what it clearly DOES say, and inserting things into it ("already drunk") when none exist is the "rotten fruit" I'd be more concerned about if I was you, LTM.

"yes we are to use the bible, and I do that all the time".

Yeah. Right.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424639 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know of any Church with glass cases of bones displayed. A link would be nice.
In any event, a candle would have been lit for respect while praying. Not because they thought the guy needed light.
You're pretty ignorant. I'm not knocking Southerners, but many down there don't take kindly to anything they ain't used too seeing. Everything is dumb to them because sometimes they can't grasp that other people 'might do things different' or sometimes,'might look a little different'. I know Ohio is the Midwest, but man I was in Cincinnati and they are definitely southerners there.
Incorrupt Saints on Display
•St. Andrew Bobola
Church of St. Andrew Bobola, Warsaw, Poland
Died in 1657, discovered incorrupt 1697.
•St. Bernadette Soubirous
Convent of St. Gildard, Nevers, France
The visionary of Lourdes, died 1879. Surely the most beautiful corpse you'll ever see (with some help from wax).
•Mother Cabriani
Mother Cabrini High School Chapel, New York City, USA
Italian-born nun, died in Chicago 1917.
•St. Catherine Labouré
Chapel, Rue du Bac, Paris, France
A Mary visionary, exhumed after 56 years.
•St. Catherine of Bologna
Died 1463, has been on display in an upright position for over 500 years.
•St. Clare of Assisi
Basilica di Santa Chiara, Assisi, Italy
Died 1253.
•St. Clare of Montefalco
Church of the Holy Cross, Montefalco, Italy
Body and heart with cross imprint enshrined separately.
•Dashi-Dorzho Itigilov
Ivolginsky Datsan, Siberia, Russia
A rare Buddhist example: a monk who died in the lotus position in 1927 and remains seated and undecayed today.
•St. Etheldreda
St Etheldreda’s Catholic Church, Ely, England
Just her hand is on display.
•St. Francis Xavier
Basilica of Bom Jesus, Goa, India
Most of incorrupt body on display in a silver casket.
•St. John Vianney
Shrine of St. John Vianney, Ars, France
Beloved parish priest of Ars, died 1859, exhumed 1904.
•St. Padre Pio
San Giovanni Rotondo, Southern Italy
Died 1968. Exhumed and temporarily(?) on display from April 24, 2008 to mark the 40th anniversary of his death.
•Pope John XXIII
St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City
On display in a glass casket.
•Blessed Paula Frassinetti
Chapel of the Convent of Santa Dorotea in Rome, Italy
Died in 1882, exhumed 1906.
•St. Rita of Cascia
Basilica of St Rita, Cascia, Italy
The patron saint of hopeless cases, died 1457. Her body has been seen in different positions in the glass case and her eyes have opened and closed unaided.
•St. Sperandia
Benedictine Convent, Cingoli, Italy
Died 1276, exhumed eight times, the last in 1952. Said to exude a sweet fragrance ("odor of sanctity").
•St. Teresa Margaret
Monastery of St. Teresa, Florence, Italy
Died 1770, exhumed 1783.
•St. Vincent Pallotti
Church of St. Salvatore, Onda, Italy
Died 1850, exhumed 1906 and 1950.
•St. Zita
Basilica of St. Frediano, Lucca, Italy
Died 1278.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424640 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrupt Saints on Display
•St. Andrew Bobola
Church of St. Andrew Bobola, Warsaw, Poland
Died in 1657, discovered incorrupt 1697.
•St. Bernadette Soubirous
Convent of St. Gildard, Nevers, France
The visionary of Lourdes, died 1879. Surely the most beautiful corpse you'll ever see (with some help from wax).
•Mother Cabriani
Mother Cabrini High School Chapel, New York City, USA
Italian-born nun, died in Chicago 1917.
•St. Catherine Labouré
Chapel, Rue du Bac, Paris, France
A Mary visionary, exhumed after 56 years.
•St. Catherine of Bologna
Died 1463, has been on display in an upright position for over 500 years.
•St. Clare of Assisi
Basilica di Santa Chiara, Assisi, Italy
Died 1253.
•St. Clare of Montefalco
Church of the Holy Cross, Montefalco, Italy
Body and heart with cross imprint enshrined separately.
•Dashi-Dorzho Itigilov
Ivolginsky Datsan, Siberia, Russia
A rare Buddhist example: a monk who died in the lotus position in 1927 and remains seated and undecayed today.
•St. Etheldreda
St Etheldreda’s Catholic Church, Ely, England
Just her hand is on display.
•St. Francis Xavier
Basilica of Bom Jesus, Goa, India
Most of incorrupt body on display in a silver casket.
•St. John Vianney
Shrine of St. John Vianney, Ars, France
Beloved parish priest of Ars, died 1859, exhumed 1904.
•St. Padre Pio
San Giovanni Rotondo, Southern Italy
Died 1968. Exhumed and temporarily(?) on display from April 24, 2008 to mark the 40th anniversary of his death.
•Pope John XXIII
St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City
On display in a glass casket.
•Blessed Paula Frassinetti
Chapel of the Convent of Santa Dorotea in Rome, Italy
Died in 1882, exhumed 1906.
•St. Rita of Cascia
Basilica of St Rita, Cascia, Italy
The patron saint of hopeless cases, died 1457. Her body has been seen in different positions in the glass case and her eyes have opened and closed unaided.
•St. Sperandia
Benedictine Convent, Cingoli, Italy
Died 1276, exhumed eight times, the last in 1952. Said to exude a sweet fragrance ("odor of sanctity").
•St. Teresa Margaret
Monastery of St. Teresa, Florence, Italy
Died 1770, exhumed 1783.
•St. Vincent Pallotti
Church of St. Salvatore, Onda, Italy
Died 1850, exhumed 1906 and 1950.
•St. Zita
Basilica of St. Frediano, Lucca, Italy
Died 1278.
Thanks for the help. No source cited, but..

Now, where's that exposition you owe us on John 2 1-11-the one where "wine" isn't "wine" and the wedding guests at Cana are "already drunk"?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424641 Feb 25, 2013
535
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
Its having the humility to leave judgment to God and not think that you are better than everyone else.
So...Catholics, having only hope of going to Heaven, having no assurance, as guaranteed by God, can sleep at night because they have the humility to leave judgment to God and not think that they are better than everyone else...

How enlightening!!!!! Thanks for the info...
preston

Waverly, OH

#424642 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok.
You made that up too, I guess.
Better?
Next time, do some homework before you post BS up, unless of course you enjoy being exposed as a fraud.
WHEN DID YOU EXPOSE ME dAN?
preston

Waverly, OH

#424643 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know of any Church with glass cases of bones displayed. A link would be nice.
In any event, a candle would have been lit for respect while praying. Not because they thought the guy needed light.
You're pretty ignorant. I'm not knocking Southerners, but many down there don't take kindly to anything they ain't used too seeing. Everything is dumb to them because sometimes they can't grasp that other people 'might do things different' or sometimes,'might look a little different'. I know Ohio is the Midwest, but man I was in Cincinnati and they are definitely southerners there.
WELL AROUND HERE, WE DONT LIGHT CANDLES FOR DEAD MEN BONES.

but alongside those bones were a helmut and some body armor that goes back hundreds of years ago, remember that also.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424644 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>WHEN DID YOU EXPOSE ME dAN?
You actually did that to yourself.
preston

Waverly, OH

#424645 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
He's not ignorant. You're giving him too much credit.
He was just lying.
here clay wanted a link. might help you 2.lol

http://gloria.tv/...
preston

Waverly, OH

#424646 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the help. No source cited, but..
Now, where's that exposition you owe us on John 2 1-11-the one where "wine" isn't "wine" and the wedding guests at Cana are "already drunk"?
google dead saints. my browser will not allow me to open up these links.

Incorrupt Saints on Display)google these words and see many dead people in your churches.lol)
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424647 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It's abundantly more accountable than the "amazing factoids" you post.
Great Dan. I'm more than happy to defend my "factoids" here.

However, I cannot defend myself unless I know which factoid(s) you are talking about. Do you?

If you do, please state. A link to refute would be helpful.

Or maybe you're just angry? I understand. It's tough when your faith is a comedy club staple worldwide.

But I'm open to debate, if you dare to give specifics.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424648 Feb 25, 2013
642 478
preston wrote:
<quoted text>WHEN DID YOU EXPOSE ME dAN?
Howabotit preston????????

I am waiting for your answer to my questions: "Are you saying because they were baptized by John, they were saved, and when they received the Holy Ghost, they were saved again???

Why can you not answer my question???

465 388

preston wrote:
<quoted text>not my fault if you get roiled.
----------

I did not ask you if you are the cause if I get roiled...

I did ask: Are you saying because they were baptized by John, they were saved, and when they received the Holy Ghost, they were saved again???

Why can you not answer my question???
preston

Waverly, OH

#424649 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You actually did that to yourself.
you were the person that was going to prove me WRONG, and you cant LOL.

anyway your church today is full of dead people WALKING AROUND and like you, they dont know they are dead(in their trespasses)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#424650 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said anything about drunkenness?
I didn't.
I said "drinking isn't a sin". Your passages support this notion. It says "in excess".
~~~

You left off the rest of the verse that says...but

be filled with the Spirit;

~~~

The OLD TESTAMENT SAYS..

Pro_20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

___

THE NEW TESTAMENT SAYS

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Eph 5:18 --> And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424651 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>here clay wanted a link. might help you 2.lol
http://gloria.tv/...
I never said that relics didn't exist.

I said you hadn't seen any in Tucson.
preston

Waverly, OH

#424652 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrupt Saints on Display
•St. Andrew Bobola
Church of St. Andrew Bobola, Warsaw, Poland
Died in 1657, discovered incorrupt 1697.
•St. Bernadette Soubirous
Convent of St. Gildard, Nevers, France
The visionary of Lourdes, died 1879. Surely the most beautiful corpse you'll ever see (with some help from wax).
•Mother Cabriani
Mother Cabrini High School Chapel, New York City, USA
Italian-born nun, died in Chicago 1917.
•St. Catherine Labouré
Chapel, Rue du Bac, Paris, France
A Mary visionary, exhumed after 56 years.
•St. Catherine of Bologna
Died 1463, has been on display in an upright position for over 500 years.
•St. Clare of Assisi
Basilica di Santa Chiara, Assisi, Italy
Died 1253.
•St. Clare of Montefalco
Church of the Holy Cross, Montefalco, Italy
Body and heart with cross imprint enshrined separately.
•Dashi-Dorzho Itigilov
Ivolginsky Datsan, Siberia, Russia
A rare Buddhist example: a monk who died in the lotus position in 1927 and remains seated and undecayed today.
•St. Etheldreda
St Etheldreda’s Catholic Church, Ely, England
Just her hand is on display.
•St. Francis Xavier
Basilica of Bom Jesus, Goa, India
Most of incorrupt body on display in a silver casket.
•St. John Vianney
Shrine of St. John Vianney, Ars, France
Beloved parish priest of Ars, died 1859, exhumed 1904.
•St. Padre Pio
San Giovanni Rotondo, Southern Italy
Died 1968. Exhumed and temporarily(?) on display from April 24, 2008 to mark the 40th anniversary of his death.
•Pope John XXIII
St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City
On display in a glass casket.
•Blessed Paula Frassinetti
Chapel of the Convent of Santa Dorotea in Rome, Italy
Died in 1882, exhumed 1906.
•St. Rita of Cascia
Basilica of St Rita, Cascia, Italy
The patron saint of hopeless cases, died 1457. Her body has been seen in different positions in the glass case and her eyes have opened and closed unaided.
•St. Sperandia
Benedictine Convent, Cingoli, Italy
Died 1276, exhumed eight times, the last in 1952. Said to exude a sweet fragrance ("odor of sanctity").
•St. Teresa Margaret
Monastery of St. Teresa, Florence, Italy
Died 1770, exhumed 1783.
•St. Vincent Pallotti
Church of St. Salvatore, Onda, Italy
Died 1850, exhumed 1906 and 1950.
•St. Zita
Basilica of St. Frediano, Lucca, Italy
Died 1278.
unlike clay and Dan, We know waht we are talking about. ole dan was going to show the world that I was wrong and was lying, yet he couldnt and cant. thanks for the info, I found that quickly.

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