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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 626899 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424777 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Still afraid to answer the questions honestly, huh?
Can stand up to your Self?
So you continue to divert......
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Citation please.
Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God".
Arrogance is more adored in many ways - putting honesty aside.
I understand.
<quoted text>
I don't limit "God" - religions do.
I guess I just don't understand how you can believe certain texts, and only because of men, whereas, you refute still others.
Why does "God" need men to deliver a message int he first place?
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And what meter is that?
Are you judging me?
<quoted text>
....and they all have teachings by Jesus that you don't use.
Instead of just looking at the list, and actually reading them, they may give you the answers to why you believe "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus......or maybe not.
NASL writes -- "Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God""

Most, but not every.

Otherwise, good point. Thomas Jefferson wrote similarly.

On board topic....

Oh how the Vatican hated him. I wonder if they freed him from "eternal despair" yet, since they changed their Catechism to allow for such?

Will the waffling RCC finally tell us the fate of 99% of America's founders?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#424778 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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"Lent" another man made religious event.
Since your entire "bible only" self-interpreted beliefs are "ALL MAN MADE" --never believed by ANYONE until the 17th century---you Protestant originally "invented and created" the term (man-made) that describes "exactly what you have believed" for over 400 years!
The fact is, that "your "loss" as a bible only (half-truth) Protestant" is our "gain" as Catholics, IN THE SEASON OF LENT,(before Easter) as well as the SEASON ON ADVENT (before Christmas), because the "fullness" of the faith and the "fullness" of the truth,(for over 2000 years) has ALWAYS BEEN and WILL CONTINUE TO BE originated, formed and manifested, in Jesus Christ (ONLY) in and through His One True Catholic Church.
Clay

United States

#424779 Feb 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Thanks Clay! I'll look for you on one of these Saturday mornings. You will find me wearing tennis attire--sweat pants-shirt, etc. as my full time occupation is, as a tennis pro and coach for Lifetime Fitness, in Minneapolis and will be heading to work after Mass. Look forward to meeting you and sharing more of our "rich and full" Catholic Faith, in Jesus Christ,------ being a former Protestant!!
A tennis pro? Wow. That's a sport that requires being in shape. Lol
I went to Saint Agnes a few times. That Parish is excellent. They do a Saturday morning traditional Latin Mass that I have gone to. I'll have to let you know the day before I'm going to Sat morning daily Mass at the Cathedral. Right now, this weekend looks iffy.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#424780 Feb 26, 2013
Cathy the Catholic says:

we the remnant of Roman Empire own salvation through our sacraments because we used to rule the world with a rod of iron; now, do as we say and not as we do....or else!!!
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424781 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I must've missed it. Please supply me the link to your post that answers this:
"Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?"
Yes - I am looking for honesty.
I have given you this answer several times yet you remain faithful to your strawman. Perhaps you can show me where I've stated Paul was more enlightened than Jesus, otherwise this is your strawman and highlights your intellectual dishonesty.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424782 Feb 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Since your entire "bible only" self-interpreted beliefs are "ALL MAN MADE" --never believed by ANYONE until the 17th century---you Protestant originally "invented and created" the term (man-made) that describes "exactly what you have believed" for over 400 years!
The fact is, that "your "loss" as a bible only (half-truth) Protestant" is our "gain" as Catholics, IN THE SEASON OF LENT,(before Easter) as well as the SEASON ON ADVENT (before Christmas), because the "fullness" of the faith and the "fullness" of the truth,(for over 2000 years) has ALWAYS BEEN and WILL CONTINUE TO BE originated, formed and manifested, in Jesus Christ (ONLY) in and through His One True Catholic Church.
What is important to me is the beliefs and worship practices I follow were practiced in the first century, something your leadership does not and cannot mirror.

This precisely captures my point about "Lent". A "religious" event started by men and nowhere highlighted in the Holy and inspired Word of God.

Oh, and now we will have to decide what to call this retiring pope. As usual we will make it up as we go since we have no biblical authority for the office in the first place.

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Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#424783 Feb 26, 2013
Touched a nerve??!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424784 Feb 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's a dumb statement. Everything quoted on Jesus in the Bible wasn't written by Him anyway. It was written by men, 30 -50 yrs after He died. To say we think Paul is more 'enlightened' is funny. It all flows together. Matthew and Marks memories of what Our Lord said, does not contradict Pauls writings.
Okay - I understand your viewpoint.

It still doesn't answer why you don't beleive in all of what Jesus taught, now does it?

My thinking is this.....

Men chose for what you are to believe, and you've accepted it.

Men also chose for what you are NOT to believe, and you've accepted it.

So why do you believe men?

In other words, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus? Is it because of men?

A: Yes.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424785 Feb 26, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL writes -- "Man doesn't have the capacity to understand "God". The RCC and Christianity, and every religion created does the same thing - they think they can define "God""
Most, but not every.
Otherwise, good point. Thomas Jefferson wrote similarly.
I agree - I did over-exaggerate a little with "every religion".

I was trying to make a point in relation to just religion in general - and the top beliefs.

Even then, I'm not sure, but I don't think Hinduism defines "God".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424786 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I have given you this answer several times yet you remain faithful to your strawman. Perhaps you can show me where I've stated Paul was more enlightened than Jesus, otherwise this is your strawman and highlights your intellectual dishonesty.
I can't provide it - because you never stated your answer.

Stop trying to play me. If you are so sure you answered, then go back and review your posts and post it.

All you have ever shown in your posts is your dishonesty and diversion from answering.

Want to know why?

Because it proves your religion is false and bullshite.

Something that requires honesty to admit. In which you haven't.

Why don't you believe Jesus?

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#424787 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay - I understand your viewpoint.
It still doesn't answer why you don't beleive in all of what Jesus taught, now does it?
My thinking is this.....
Men chose for what you are to believe, and you've accepted it.
Men also chose for what you are NOT to believe, and you've accepted it.
So why do you believe men?
In other words, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus? Is it because of men?
A: Yes.
hey new ager, may i jump in?

i know we've been down this road before, but i'm still puzzled as to where you think you got your doctrine, if not handed down from "men"???

"there is nothing new under the sun" Solomon
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424788 Feb 26, 2013
By Garry O'Sullivan -- Managing Director of 'The Irish Catholic'

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...

"Historically, the institutional church manufactured fear based on its own fears; fear of science and progress, of educated followers, of other religions, of bible reading, of change, and it is fear that drives the institution today. A humble church for the people became a church that took from the Emperor Constantine the clothes of a dying empire, parting ways with the simplicity of its early foundation.

From then on, it would be 'princes of the church' instead of fishermen in charge; Popes would run empires and start wars rather than humbly lead; those who spoke out would be deemed heretics and burned at the stake. Catholicism had truly lost its way."

Amen

Thank you Garry O'Sullivan -- Managing Director of 'The Irish Catholic.' That is why I am here.

If the RCC has lost Ireland, then I am needed more than ever.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424789 Feb 26, 2013
"Papacy needs a Gorbachev to confront tired empire"

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424790 Feb 26, 2013
Exactly....

"The Vatican is not the church and as an institutional centre it really has become an embarrassment for ordinary Catholics. It is steeped in clericalism. The protection of the clerical state at all costs was more important than believing children."

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ga...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424791 Feb 26, 2013
From a Catholic who isn't afraid of his church's history and reality......

"The Vatican wasn't founded by Jesus, and the modern papacy is only a construct that came into being after the French Revolution."

"Popes weren't always elected by Cardinals. Lay people were involved. A lay person can technically become Pope."

Something few Catholics consider...

"There is a democratic tradition in the early church that has long been side-lined, and so much of the so-called tradition around the papacy as we know it is only a few hundred years old."
Clay

United States

#424792 Feb 26, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
What is important to me is the beliefs and worship practices I follow were practiced in the first century, something your leadership does not and cannot mirror.
This precisely captures my point about "Lent". A "religious" event started by men and nowhere highlighted in the Holy and inspired Word of God.
Oh, and now we will have to decide what to call this retiring pope. As usual we will make it up as we go since we have no biblical authority for the office in the first place.
How can you possibly demand that every little 'i' and 't' about Catholicism be highlighted in the Bible, when Catholicism itself produced the Christian Bible 400 yrs after Christ? Bishops of the Catholic Church with the Pope (Damaseus) signed off on the New Testament Canon, and you demand that the word 'Pope' should be in the Bible. Seems very odd.

I read somewhere that the writings of the Apostolic fathers - particularly Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch - almost made it into the New Testament. But it was decided by the CC to include only the writings from the Apostles themselves and not their students.
Funny, but none of you guys would have ever come into existence had this been done.
Martin Luther fought to eliminate the Books of Revelation and James from the Bible. Can you imagine all of the cults that would have never come to be, had Revelation not been available to them?
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#424793 Feb 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you possibly demand that every little 'i' and 't' about Catholicism be highlighted in the Bible, when Catholicism itself produced the Christian Bible 400 yrs after Christ? Bishops of the Catholic Church with the Pope (Damaseus) signed off on the New Testament Canon, and you demand that the word 'Pope' should be in the Bible. Seems very odd.
I read somewhere that the writings of the Apostolic fathers - particularly Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch - almost made it into the New Testament. But it was decided by the CC to include only the writings from the Apostles themselves and not their students.
Funny, but none of you guys would have ever come into existence had this been done.
Martin Luther fought to eliminate the Books of Revelation and James from the Bible. Can you imagine all of the cults that would have never come to be, had Revelation not been available to them?
Clay, what you don't seem to understand is that the scriptures were 'God breathed', and were around well before the formation of the RCC. All of the scriptures were completed and being circulated amonst the churches. The catholic church was simply instrumental in putting these scriptures into a BOOK. Nothing more.
Clay

United States

#424794 Feb 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay - I understand your viewpoint.
It still doesn't answer why you don't beleive in all of what Jesus taught, now does it?
My thinking is this.....
Men chose for what you are to believe, and you've accepted it.
Men also chose for what you are NOT to believe, and you've accepted it.
So why do you believe men?
In other words, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus? Is it because of men?
A: Yes.
Jesus taught that all of the authority in Heaven has been given to Him. He in turn, gave Peter the keys. "whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven. Whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven". He gave the Apostles real authority. They chose Paul as one of their Apostles. Peter endorsed the writings of Paul - telling people to listen to "Our dear brother Paul".

-if Jesus Christ gave Peter real authority.. Matthew 16:18

-and Peter endorsed the writings of Paul..2Peter 3:15-16

Then it seems to me you're guilty of ignoring what Jesus Christ said by way of Peter. You're saying the Apostles had no authority to make Paul a brother and Peters opinion of Paul's Epistles does not matter to you....even thou Peter clearly was given the authority by Jesus Christ Himself to make those declarations about Paul.
Clay

United States

#424795 Feb 26, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Clay, what you don't seem to understand is that the scriptures were 'God breathed', and were around well before the formation of the RCC. All of the scriptures were completed and being circulated amonst the churches. The catholic church was simply instrumental in putting these scriptures into a BOOK. Nothing more.
True that.
Those scriptures in the New Testament were already written. But not until 30-50 yrs after Jesus died.
As I pointed out, many writings were held dear to the early Church. Including that of the Apostolic fathers. Why wouldn't they be? Its a first hand account of what the Apostles actually taught, by people who walked with them. There can be no dispute.
Of course, you and many found a loophole by simply ignoring the letters of the Disciples of the Apostles. You created an idea that if it ain't in the New Testament,'we don't care'.
Well, thats irresponsible as a serious Christian.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424796 Feb 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
hey new ager, may i jump in?
i know we've been down this road before, but i'm still puzzled as to where you think you got your doctrine, if not handed down from "men"???
"there is nothing new under the sun" Solomon
And I'll state it again, since you refuse to accept my answer....

I don't accept the belief of men as my belief.

I may utilize what men have written, as they are the only ones trying to define "God". But this is only a utilization of those texts. It doesn't define my belief.

My belief in anything is based upon information I've come across, compare it to others, and weed out the bullshite that had overshadowed the "truth".

Just because I don't follow a prescribed edict, it doesn't mean I am wrong, but it does mean that I've chosen (Self) to place my belief in a spiritual entity that has not been proven to exist.

In other words, my faith is of my own making, just like yours.

No religion needed.

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