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#424661 Feb 25, 2013
and dan, I could probably go back several years ago and find a post or two where I have mentioned this trip of mine several years ago.
But I aint going to do it just for you.lol
#424662 Feb 25, 2013
Sure I did.
No mention anywhere of a relic at the Mission in Tucson.
You made it all up, now you're bragging about it. What an odd person you are, preston.
#424663 Feb 25, 2013
Thanks for that info. I guess I never paid much attention to it. I still am not very interested, but at least I know now of Churches with saints on display.
I prayed in front of the stone that was removed from the Apostle Pauls tomb and displayed at the Cathedral of Saint Paul. It was very moving since I was the only one present. There was a closeness for sure.
#424664 Feb 25, 2013
Dan writes -- "The deists or protestants who founded the country owned slaves. Forget that small detail?"
I'm confused Dan.
In 1782, neither the new USA nor the RCC officially opposed slavery as morally wrong.
My question is simply this. Which of the two proclaimed themselves "perfect in teachings on morals?"
That's a small detail that you always seem to forget. Maybe you could remind us.
Forget that small detail... again?
#424665 Feb 25, 2013
still waiting for you to prove me wrong as you said that you would do in this reply.
|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#424602 3 hrs ago
<quoted text>prove my words are incorrect. ok?
to me the whole place was a piece of crap being readied to remove.my stables dont stink that much.
and the bones were in a enclave on the left side as you entered..
I'll do it in a minute.
Identify the Church in question, in Tuscon, AZ, where someone's bones were on display under glass in an enclave.
#424666 Feb 25, 2013
just because a link doesnt speak about some dead guys bones and a jail on the premise doesnt mean that you have proved me wrong.
certainly wouldnt be pleasing to the chamber of commerce.lol for tourists to know they didnt have money to bury someone.
they should just take those bones and lock them up in that hillside jail.NOW ASK SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE ALSO AND THEY WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT JAIL.
#424667 Feb 25, 2013
Catholics here want links.
Catholics here want proof.
That's refreshing. Now maybe they will demand the same from their church?
The ten tons of bones of St Paul should all have the same DNA, right?
Or maybe the Catholics here need and want to believe the RCC fraud. After all, regardless of DNA, how many tons of bones did St. Paul have?
#424668 Feb 25, 2013
Well, the Church beat the USA in condemning it, and you set forth that "refromation ideals" were superior. You were wrong.
#424669 Feb 25, 2013
I think we just don't care enough about it. In MN or anywhere in this part of the country, I don't believe a Church exist that displays the body or bones of a dead Saint. You said it was in AZ? Fine I believe you. Its just something I never heard of around here. Not a big deal. Frankly, I would love to see the bones of Saint Peter or Paul even for just an historical appreciation.
#424670 Feb 25, 2013
Clay you just have to punch in just one name on that list and you will find the site I thought I gave the link.
I am amazed at the way some of them are so well preserved.
History is one of my favorite subjects, this stuff is great.
#424671 Feb 25, 2013
Um, preston, you failed to cite where the Mission in Tucson houses relics (a guy in glass made of bones).
So, you're wrong. I cited an abundance of source material on the place and no mention of relics housed there.
#424672 Feb 25, 2013
Well, prove your statement correct.
That's your burden. I've provided plenty to disprove your statement.
#424673 Feb 25, 2013
Post # please. Maybe I misspoke. Maybe not.
How about, the U.S. media helped the "one true" Church confront the truth.
Either way, this reality further busts the absurd "one true" claim.
Of course you find it difficult to accept, but there's the reality.
#424674 Feb 25, 2013
This is a load of rubbish. These so-called saints originate with the Roman Calendar of Gods.
The Hierarchy of the Roman Empire now called the Roman Church
Roman Empire offices & their modern names:
Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) renamed: Roman Catholic Church.
Curia (legal body of Senators) slight name change: Curia (legal body of Cardinals).
Roman Emperor renamed: Roman Pope (head of all church and state affairs).
Roman College of Senators renamed: College of Cardinals.
Roman Senators renamed: Cardinals.
Roman Governors renamed: Archbishops.
Roman Senator with no territory: Bishop.
(Large) Roman Province renamed: Archdiocese.
(Small) Roman Territory renamed: Diocese.
Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat renamed: Throne of St. Peter.
Vestal Virgins renamed: Nuns.
Pontiff or "high priest " of a pagan religious order (Zues, Apollo, Diana, Mars, Jupiter, Baal, Dionysys, Pythia etc) same name: Pontiff.
The Roman Calender and Holy Days of the gods renamed: Calendar Holidays of the Saints.
Legal act of creating a god (of a living or dead human, as was done to most of the Caesars) "Apotheosis of the Gods" renamed: Canonization of the Saints.
A decree of Caesar (dictator for life): Pope's infalliable Papal Bull.
Praying to a dead human god renamed: Praying to a saint.
In the US the highest law of the land is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the Vatican State the Constitution is called the Code of Canon Law.
#424675 Feb 25, 2013
Your turn to provide a link. When did the RCC condemn slavery?
It was a state issue at the time and many states condemned slavery before the RCC.
Also, I re-stated "the ideals which grew from the Reformation." But of course, you only have those word games.
Or, you could easily move to a society that embraced RCC ideals, like Mexico maybe.
Nope, better to play word games than to walk your crazy talk. I understand.
Got to run. I'll look for your factoids backed by links later. Go play with some saintly bones. A ponder that last link I gave you.
#424676 Feb 25, 2013
The clear inference made is that the media somehow informed their opinion on whether the acts in question were wrong.
Obviously, the cleric in the article is thanking the media for helping them in their efforts to deal with the issue. He isn't crediting them with moral instruction by telling them it was wrong to begin with.
#424677 Feb 25, 2013
No one is the Church is creditied with omniscience.
The Pope has to read the paper to find out what's happening same as everyone else.
#424678 Feb 25, 2013
Dec. 3, 1839
#424679 Feb 25, 2013
The only ideals you mentioned as being "ideals which grew from the Reformation" dealt with US civil law precepts. Sorry-you mentioned them. Was I supposed to read your mind if you meant otherwise? You ran it more than once.
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#424680 Feb 25, 2013
When I visited the Roman Catholic Church in Gettysburg Pa..
FOR MY NEPHEWS WEDDING...
I felt out of place..THE PLACE WAS FOREBODING .
I could not comprehend that those that
call themselves Christians would GO TO SUCH EXTREMES TO BE
diametrically apposed to the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD......
THE STATUES AND GRAVEN IMAGES....CREATED AN ERIE ATMOSPHERE OF A PAGAN
THE BIRD THAT WAS PORTRAYED ON THE PODIUM ...
(with the appearance of AN Egyptian ibis)
was especially inappropriately displayed in a place that supposed to
be a House of prayer.
Reminds me of the words of the Apostle Paul..
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ALSO THE words of Jesus...WHEN HE WAS INSULTED AND UPSET AT THE DISPLAY THAT WAS IN THE HEAVENLY FATHERS HOUSE...
Mat_21:13 And said unto them, It is written,-->My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written,--> My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luk_19:46 Saying unto them, It is written,---> My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
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