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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653795 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Mar 11

Maribyrnong, Australia

#424557 Feb 25, 2013
Hey just letting you all know there is a person on Prove there's a god, saying the Church of Christ is the only way you can get to heaven. The true way.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424558 Feb 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Justice the new wine Jesus made at the wedding was unfermented,
Just as it was at the Passover Supper.
Out of simple curiosity, can you cite where it says that it isn't wine, rather grape juice?

Wine is fermented, and it alone is mentioned on both occasions you refer to here.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#424559 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of simple curiosity, can you cite where it says that it isn't wine, rather grape juice?
Wine is fermented, and it alone is mentioned on both occasions you refer to here.
Its one of the protestant church TRADITIONS. They change the wine into grape juice because they play fast and loose with the word of God ;)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424560 Feb 25, 2013
Zechariah 12:10

10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Zechariah 13:1

13 “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem,~~~~~to cleanse them from sin and impurity.~~~~~

Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee;
~~~~~Let the water and the blood,~~~~~
[From Thy wounded side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure;]
Save from wrath and make me pure.

Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.

Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to the cross I cling;
Naked, come to Thee for dress;
Helpless look to Thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Savior, or I die.

While I draw this fleeting breath,
When mine eyes shall close in death,
When I soar to worlds unknown,
See Thee on Thy judgment throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee

Both prophecies were fulfilled in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost when 3,000 Jews MOURNED in REPENTANCE.....

CLEANSED and FORGIVEN in baptism...

In the fountain filled with blood, drawn from Immanuel's veins.

That fountain was the blood which flowed from His side, pierced with a spear.

Now....

die to sins....

How do we accomplish this???
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424561 Feb 25, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
Its one of the protestant church TRADITIONS. They change the wine into grape juice because they play fast and loose with the word of God ;)
........under the guise of being "bible alone".

If they were actually "bible alone", they'd believe in the Real Presence. They aren't and don't, so essentially, they're "in communion" with grape juice at their services.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#424562 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I beleive in a know so Salvation. and I said that a peson that is Saved will go to heaven.
nothing in those words indicate a belief in a doctrine of OSAS as you have tried to say that I have posted the likes of that doctrine in the past.
SO I WILL REINTRATE MY WORDS AGAIN TO HELP YOUR FEEBLE AND CARNAL MIND.
IF I STAY SAVED WHEN I DIE, I WILL ENTER INTO HEAVEN, HOWEVER IF MY LIFE IS SIMILIAR TO WHAT YOU LEAD WITH YOUR FILTHY MOUTH, CHANCES ARE POOR AND SLIM AND SLIM JUST LEFT TOWN.
~~~

Like you ...I do not believe in OSAS...defined as UNCONDITIONAL eternal security...

I believe in CONDITIONAL eternal security....

The covenant... is between God and me...there is no doubt. but what God will keep his part ....

But if I don't keep my part of the covenant then the contract would be. broken.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

ONLY BORN AGAIN SON'S (Those that are BORN OF THE SPIRIT)...ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM.

Heb_12:8 But if ye be without ==>chastisement,<===

(==>CHASTISEMENT, DEFINED)<===

G3809
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paideia
pahee-di'-ah
From G3811; tutorage, that is, education or training; by implication disciplinary correction:- chastening, chastisement, instruction, nurture.

whereof all are partakers, then are ye

---> bastards, <---

(BASTARDS DEFINED)

G3541
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nothos
noth'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son:- bastard.

and not sons.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424563 Feb 25, 2013
Exodus 33:22

22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

cleft....a hiding place....

Christ.....a Rock in whom we can hide from the glory and holiness of God at the day of judgment.....

How do we hide in Christ and for what reason???
truth

Attadale, Australia

#424565 Feb 25, 2013
wicket evil people

nothing to do with righteousness..they do worse modern then you think
evil is always evil

i don't fill sorry wrote this
nooooooooooo

all prophets see that on front 4000 2000 years ago
byyyyyyyyyy
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424566 Feb 25, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
A bizarre statement considering half the Christians on the planet are Catholics.
Christians -- 50/50 Catholic and Protestant.

So in which society do YOU choose to live your only God-given life?

Do you choose to live in a society formed on Reformation ideals or Catholic ideas?

Tell us how YOU walk YOUR talk?

Do you object to the terrible, anti-Catholic (in the day) ideals such as human rights, trial by jury of peers, right to a speedy trial, etc., or do you opt for the more totalitarian Catholic ideals to spend your time here on earth?

e.g. lots and lots of talk from the Catholics, but almost zero walk.

Go figure?
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424567 Feb 25, 2013
Christians -- 50/50 Catholic and Protestant.

Look at the world. Where is the evidence of those "perfect" RCC teachings?

Look at the Americas.

Are RCC-majority societies more or less violent?

More or less just?

What do Catholics have against REALITY?

(The answer is obvious.)
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424568 Feb 25, 2013
One true church?

The Vatican was in effect at war with the ideals of the USA for almost a century.

The Vatican was one of the only entities to recognize the South during the U.S. civil war. Why?

But all that changed at Vatican 2.

I guess Jesus got lost for awhile.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424570 Feb 25, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians -- 50/50 Catholic and Protestant.
So in which society do YOU choose to live your only God-given life?
Do you choose to live in a society formed on Reformation ideals or Catholic ideas?
Tell us how YOU walk YOUR talk?
Do you object to the terrible, anti-Catholic (in the day) ideals such as human rights, trial by jury of peers, right to a speedy trial, etc., or do you opt for the more totalitarian Catholic ideals to spend your time here on earth?
e.g. lots and lots of talk from the Catholics, but almost zero walk.
Go figure?
LOL.

"almost zero walk" save for the largest charitable and educational operations undertaken by any Christian faith.

The rest of your post conveniently insists that we forget that your "reformation ideals" noted had nothing to do with the civil rights you lay out.

You can have your own opinion, FM, but not your own facts.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#424571 Feb 25, 2013
Truth wrote:
Exodus 33:22
22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
cleft....a hiding place....
Christ.....a Rock in whom we can hide from the glory and holiness of God at the day of judgment.....
How do we hide in Christ and for what reason???
~~~

Your example does not prove OSAS...

Moses did not prepare the hiding place for himself, GOD DID..

When Moses disobeyed God ...GOD DISCIPLINED HIM ...and MOSES was refused the privilege of crossing the Jordan river...and entering into the promised land.

Deu_31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424572 Feb 25, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Your example does not prove OSAS...
Moses did not prepare the hiding place for himself, GOD DID..
When Moses disobeyed God ...GOD DISCIPLINED HIM ...and MOSES was refused the privilege of crossing the Jordan river...and entering into the promised land.
Deu_31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
GIF,

I do not believe in OSAS...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424573 Feb 25, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
One true church?
The Vatican was in effect at war with the ideals of the USA for almost a century.
The Vatican was one of the only entities to recognize the South during the U.S. civil war. Why?
But all that changed at Vatican 2.
I guess Jesus got lost for awhile.
England, Japan, Germany, North Korea all were ACTUALLY at war with the ideals of the USA at verious times, and they were assuredly not Catholic.

The Vatican wasn't at odds with the US at any time. Please cite statements from the Vatican where they denounced the foundation of US civil law.

Thanks.
Clay

Union, NJ

#424574 Feb 25, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Non-answer! Care to try again?
What answer are you looking for? I thought you already knew the Catholic and Orthodox teaching on the bread and wine?
In substance it remains.
There. Do you feel your hands are washed now? Ye of little faith.

"The Jews disputed among themselves, saying 'how could this man give us his flesh to eat?"

And then everyone became confused about it for 1,600 yrs. Those silly Apostles forgot to explain their writings to everyone and Christianity was a mess until the Bible could be printed.
I bet Jesus was mad at those guys for messing up His ministry by not explaining the Bread and Wine properly. We're thankfull Our Lord left enough clues hidden in the Gospels for you people to unlock and explain it all correctly.
Clay

Union, NJ

#424575 Feb 25, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Your example does not prove OSAS...
Moses did not prepare the hiding place for himself, GOD DID..
When Moses disobeyed God ...GOD DISCIPLINED HIM ...and MOSES was refused the privilege of crossing the Jordan river...and entering into the promised land.
Deu_31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
It would seem to me that the path to salvation is really important. You guys may want to get together and figure that one out. Y'all are claiming the Holy Spirit is telling you Our Lords will.
Well, we know by process of elimination, that one of you is spreading the wrong gospel; you're teaching people something that is contrary to what Jesus Christ wants.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#424576 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
"almost zero walk" save for the largest charitable and educational operations undertaken by any Christian faith.
The rest of your post conveniently insists that we forget that your "reformation ideals" noted had nothing to do with the civil rights you lay out.
You can have your own opinion, FM, but not your own facts.
~~~

YOU WROTE

"charitable and educational operations undertaken by any Christian faith."

HOW CAN A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION BE CHARITABLE (HAVE LOVE)THAT BARS ALL OTHERS FROM HEAVEN?

THE BANNER OF THIS FORUM READS..

"Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican A issued a document Tuesday restating A its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ."

THE BIBLE SAYS...

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Clay

Union, NJ

#424577 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>lol, the [reverence ] comes form being obediance to the words of Jesus when He said do this in REMEMBRANCE OF ME.
how much [reverance] is being displayed when the rcc insistes that the wine is changed into blood. sorry but it isnt any wonder that the first and only time that I have ever entered into a catholic church, I was grossed out.
NO CHRISTIAN SHOULD EVER FEEL AT HOME IN A CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Ouch. Really? You entered a Catholic Church once and became grossed out! That's called ignorance I think.
But I do understand how people could be perplexed upon their first experience with Catholicism. The Mass; the Priests in robes; the incense and alter...
You know, I attended a mega church evangelical gathering once. I definitely wasn't grossed out. But I was surprised on a couple things:

1. The attire worn by some of the members. Especially the woman. I know it was warm that day, but showing your stomach and tight shorts didn't seem appropriate to me.

2. While the reading from the Gospel was going on, people were reclined in their chairs and sipping coffee. Some were whispering about things not related to Jesus. Kids were running back and forth.

I was not used to that. I thought it was disrespectful to the word of God. Catholics stand and stay quiet for the Gospel reading.
I don't know what your particular congregation does and by no means am I classifying all of Protestantism this way..
Dan

Omaha, NE

#424578 Feb 25, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU WROTE
"charitable and educational operations undertaken by any Christian faith."
HOW CAN A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION BE CHARITABLE (HAVE LOVE)THAT BARS ALL OTHERS FROM HEAVEN?
THE BANNER OF THIS FORUM READS..
"Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican A issued a document Tuesday restating A its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ."
THE BIBLE SAYS...
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
I stated it as it's a fact.

I find them useful-you, not so much.

The Church doesn't teach that non-Catholics are barred from Heaven. Another useful fact.

See how much fun they can be?

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