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#424377 Feb 23, 2013
Jesus did not and does not compel anyone to join or leave his church. The sins in the church is not new. It was there even when Christ walked upon the earth as man. The current sex scandals are simply sensationalism to destroy our faith. the lukewarm. Wil ponder leaving, and some will. the steadfast will ask the lord for strength to carry the current cross and persevere in our faith, like Peter did.
What Jesus asks of us is to believe and love God and neighbor. It is not easy but he showed us it can be done! Stay the course, pray for the fallen, wayward, if you may, priests. Don't condemn them but don!t condone their sins either. Ask for God's mercies upon them and upon all of us. Compassion and understanding, repentance and returning to the father, is what Jesus asks of us. That is the true Christian!
Since: Jun 10
#424378 Feb 23, 2013
But and however, you can also be baptized....confess whatever to whoever, burn all the candles you want, repeat "forever" the rosary, confess to your priest 12 times a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, if you do not meet the strict requirement given by Christ....you can forget about Heaven....you will never see it!!!
Quote: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
#424379 Feb 24, 2013
Your right. Jumping in the river, won't. Being baptized for the remission of sins will. You are also right that it stares us in the face (Acts 2:38-41) on the day the church was established yet it is denied.
I don't understand your packing a lunch and brining a fan. Is that additional tradition of man that is followed as if its religion? Frankly, it doesn't require packing a lunch or a fan and to require such be a prerequisite to baptism would be to denominationalize Christ's church.
#424380 Feb 24, 2013
You sound like a couple of Popes.
#424381 Feb 24, 2013
"New Yorkers React To Reports Of Vatican Sex Ring Scandal, Popes Resignation"
On behalf of the Roman Catholic Church -- we offer an apology to the world.
#424382 Feb 24, 2013
Forgot to highlight it IS being "born again" too
#424385 Feb 24, 2013
Yep, the thousands of abused children are just a test.
In fact, the scandal must have been guided by Jesus, because after all, He guides this church.
It all makes sense.
Forget accountability, forget consequences -- Jesus wanted a state-church with it's own bank -- complete with decades-long banking scandals.
It all fits now. Thank you.
PS - ignore that stuff about knowing them by their deeds. That makes no sense at all.
#424386 Feb 24, 2013
You may have overlooked...
#424387 Feb 24, 2013
Salvation in 4 words
Salvation-needed....... Rom 3:23
Salvation-provided....... 1 Peter 2:24
Salvation-offered....... Eph 2:8
Salvation-accepted....... 1 John 5:12
#424388 Feb 24, 2013
why dont you use the Bible to show us ONE person that received the Holy Ghost and Salvation by being just Baptised by WATER, according to your churchs intrepretation of what Acts 2:38 says.
Hank has b een on here for several years and has been asked that question many, many times and failed to show us ONE person.
Maybe you are smarter than he is and can provide that name for us?
NOT ONE CHRISTIAN(AND I DONT INCLUDE YOU AND HANK IN THAT GROUP)AGREES WITH YOUR INTREPRETATION OF WHAT YOUR CHURCH THINKS THAT PETER IS SAYING.
in fact, lets look at peter and his brother andrew(who we do know followed John the Baptist)they followed John and therefore they did have his Baptism, yet until some time later after Following Jesus, did they receive the Holy Ghost as He breathed on them and told them to "receive the Holy Ghost".
and no one can say that they were unsaved until jesus told them to Receive the Holy Ghost. I just dont believe that!
#424389 Feb 24, 2013
You are wrong Sadan Remember Joel's prophecy Joel 2:28
A New Testament reference to this verse provides help in understanding this statement. In Acts 2:15-17 Peter is preaching on the Day of Pentecost:For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh.
In this sermon, Peter connects Joels prophecy with the Holy Spirits coming and the commencement of the church. Not every detail of Joels prophecy is yet fulfilled, but the pouring out of the Spirit began on the Day of Pentecost. From that time, the Holy Spirit "INDWELLS ALL" those who come to faith in Jesus Christ.
#424390 Feb 24, 2013
you notice that Peter and the other Apostles were not included in that Experience of the Holy Ghost falling on those in the upper Room and also in the streets of Jerusalem, which agrees with jesus already giving them the Holy Ghost previous to that Day.
the Holy Ghost fell on those people BEFORE they were Baptised as the Bible says.everyway that the campbellites turn, the Bible Proves them WRONG.
Your experience and mine agrees with the Bible, they have no Spirtual Experience to even testify about just as the catholic CANT.
a person(campbellites) cant PROFESS something that they dont POSSESS(Salvation)
#424391 Feb 24, 2013
Acording to you last post Sadan, you haven't because you don't believe we are baptized in to Christ by the same baptism as the apostles. So which is it?? Is God the same God to all generations,
to all people or not??
The special anointing of the Holy Spirit to Preach , Teach, Pastor etc. are given to people God has chosen before time began maybe this is what you are referring to.
#424392 Feb 24, 2013
I gave you Scripture not my opinion.
NOT TRUE!---Both you, Confrinting and Marge always give your own "personal opinion" as to what "think" each bible verse means. The FACT is that individual "Bible Only" interpretation of Sacred Scripture is like reading the "editorial section" of your local newspaper. "Everybody" has an opinion!! "Everyone" has a (personal view or judgment! "Everybody's opinion" is the (according to them) is the truth! As in "every" case of Protestant "bible interpretation"--- there exists an (ever-growing)number of over 42,000 conflicting, contradicting and inconsistent "editorial opinions" ALL CLAIMING TO HAVE THE TRUTH!--The fact is that NONE OF THEM even possess--HALF OF THE TRUTH . All a person has to do is to look at the Protestant "bible only" (self)-interpretations of Scripture to see the (hodge=podge) "contradicting (mess) of bible (mis-interpretation that have (bought into} "secular humanism" which has caused a "cancerous immoral degredation" of (an even greater) Protestant (split) within the Christian community! i.e abortion, homosexuality, euthenasia, woman ministers, gay marriage, embroyonic stem cell research, homosexual ministers, and on and on, whichever way the "political wind" happens to blow next!!---The fact is that there has, is and will continue to be (as it has for over 2000 years, ONLY ONE TRUTH,(not 42,000 contradiction (relative truths)--and that TRUTH is in the TRUE biblical intrepretation and TRUE historical teachings, doctrine and precepts of Jesus Christ, manifested (in and through) Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church in the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH and in the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH!!
#424393 Feb 24, 2013
Hey Hojo, i'll give you the Scripture alone again, it says what it says and there are no opinions involved;
Order at the Lords Supper
17But in the following instructions, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together.
18First, I hear that there are divisions among you when you meet as a church, and to some extent I believe it.
19But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have Gods approval will be recognized!
20When you meet together, you are not really interested in the Lords Supper.
21For some of you hurry to eat your own meal without sharing with others. As a result, some go hungry while others get drunk.
22What? Dont you have your own homes for eating and drinking? Or do you really want to disgrace Gods church and shame the poor? What am I supposed to say? Do you want me to praise you? Well, I certainly will not praise you for this!
23For I pass on to you what I received from the Lord himself. On the night when he was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took some bread
24and gave thanks to God for it. Then he broke it in pieces and said,This is my body, which is given for you. Do this to remember me.
25In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying,This cup is the new covenant between God and his peoplean agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.
26For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are announcing the Lords death until he comes again.
27So anyone who eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28That is why you should examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup.
29For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking Gods judgment upon yourself.
30That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died.
31But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way.
32Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
33So, my dear brothers and sisters, when you gather for the Lords Supper, wait for each other.
34If you are really hungry, eat at home so you wont bring judgment upon yourselves when you meet together. Ill give you instructions about the other matters after I arrive.
Now Hojo, is it not you and the men you follow that add their opinions to what the above clearly states?
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#424394 Feb 24, 2013
You cannot validate your alleged remarks against the Holy Ghost from the Bible...
Evidently you are a traditionalist...
that denies the fact that the Holy Ghost...
is just as active in the Church today (the twenty first century )...
as HE was IN THE EARLY CHURCH....
from the Second Chapter of the Acts of the apostles ..
through out the rest of the New Testament.
In your ignorance of God's word..You make absurd statements in your post... Blatant insults to the Godhead, yet you have the audacity to call them facts...
Matthew 6 verses found 12 matches..
DID JOHN BAPTIST LIE when said
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:
he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
You must think he did...
Mark 4 verses found 8 matches
Luke 11 verses found 23 matches
John 4 verses found 8 matches
THE HOLY GHOST IS FROM THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES THROUGH JUDE IS REFERENCED....
Acts 41 verses
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
DID THE EVENT ABOVE NEVER HAPPEN?
Romans 5 verses
1 Corinthians 3 verses
2 Corinthians 2 verses
1 Thessalonians 2 verses
2 Timothy 1 verse
Hebrews 5 verses
1 Peter 1 verses
2 Peter 1 verses
1 John 1 verses
Jude 1 verses
Jud_1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
I SUGGEST THAT YOU STURDY YOUR BIBLE AND LEARN THE TRUTH BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO TEACH IT.
#424395 Feb 24, 2013
I am really amazed that catholics can think that that little flat piece(looks like paper) is comparable to what Jesus and his Friends ate that day.
Jesus took a loaf of bread and broke it, and then shared it with them, unlike the ritual the catholic use.
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#424396 Feb 24, 2013
YOU HAVE NOTHING THAT SUPERSEDES THE WORD OF GOD...
YOUR PUNY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION'S HISTORY.... COMPARED WITH THE
IMMUTABILITY OF GOD'S WORD IS ZILCH...
YOUR ARROGANCE IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE...
2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
HOW CAN YOU PROVE YOURSELF ....EXCEPT YOU COMPARE YOURSELF TO THE WORD OF GOD...
ONE CANNOT FIND AN EXAMPLE OF HOLINESS ND RIGHTEOUSNESS TO COMPARE THEMSELVES WITH.... IN THE SORDID HISTORY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...
#424397 Feb 24, 2013
Wrong!! You "bible only self-interpreters" just "read into" whatever meaning of these verses that "supports" your "own Protestant opinioned" beliefs. I am well acquainted with the "editorial" bible only "cherry picking" of the Scriptures, ignoring the spoken and stated words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF in the Gospels, in favor of the words of Paul,(as a former Protestant). All that "anyone" on this forum has to do is to read the "what I think (argumentive) opinions" that (each one) you "fundies" have regarding: baptism, the body and blood of Christ, salvation, the Church, and any other "suppositional and controversial" doctrine of beliefs--of which-- "none of you bible only self-interpreters (or better yet MIS-INTERPRETERS" CAN EVER,nor WILL EVER agree on!! You "fundies" just keep "running around in circles" with more and more Protestant contradicting and inconsistent bible (mis-interpretation of "confusion and chaos". 42,000 different interpretations today, 42,500 next week, 43,000 in March and the chaos continues to go on and on!!!
#424398 Feb 24, 2013
If you believe in God's word....then....
Baptism has a prominent place in Scripture.
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