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truth

Australia

#423924 Feb 21, 2013
liar you don't need spell..liar on many language looks deference for you don't you

poor microchips as future innovation as well short evil way of great destruction of human civilization..digital..
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truth

Australia

#423925 Feb 21, 2013
liar from bigining

Since: Nov 08

usa

#423927 Feb 21, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Church History "says it" and (has) consistently "said it" for over 2000 years--beginning in 060 AD. The bible doesn't have to say it! Every word doesn't have to be in the bible in order for it "to be TRUE!!! Christ built, initiated, formed and authenticated "ONE TRUE CHURCH"---not 42,000+ contradicting and inconsistent "relative truths".
your right they said it,the scriptures"DOES NOT",the bible is all gods words meant for "MAN" anything outside of that means nothing,the traditions created by constantines 100 unholy ordinary scholars do not mean nothing since they are not supported by scripture,and most likely if these men lived in rome they are pagans not christians,christ said he was going to build a church,but says nothing about it being the C.C.,so it is not true,it's an assumption,just like the other churches no one can make the claim without authenic undenialible scripture support,you have nothing but hearsay,so it's meaningless.like i said no written undenable scripture in which states i will build "MY CATHOLIC,BAPTIST,PROTESTANT ETC.CHURCH" YOU CAN NOT CLAIM TO BE HIS CHURCH,PLAIN AND SIMPLE...we don't even know if the one god theory is true never mind his church,you have to establish that first,then talk about any church.you talk about havingundeniable facts and i'm still waiting to see it.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423928 Feb 21, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
The protestants had a counter inquisition torturing catholics, and were also very active in burning witches and heretics. Do you condemn these practices equally?
That's what happens when protestants keep the TRADITIONS of the Catholic Church especially the RCC.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423929 Feb 21, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible says the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. St Paul also says that the teaching is spread by letter and word of mouth. You pick one, written word, and ignore the other church traditions. Sola scriptura is not taught in the Bible but was invented by those in rebellion of catholic teaching, protestant reformers in the 16th century.
It say's WORD of Mouth not Opinion of Mouth. I other word they were staying and communicating the word in scripture.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423930 Feb 21, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try. but you just told us your knowledge of the Anglican Church is very limited.
"Anglo-Catholics are a very small minority of Anglicanism."
More...
"Today, most Anglicans in the world (whether part of the official Anglican Communion or not) are either low church evangelical (often of a Calvinist bend) or modern liberal revisionists. Neither are well known for accepting the Real Presence."
Of course, this can all be verified by a simple Internet search, but why bother?
If one cannot understand why Protestants by their very definition cannot be Catholic, then it's their problem.
This poster is busted. And he really, really WANTS us to believe him too.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Justics was correct in his/her statements.

The Anglican Communion exists in over 165 countries.

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/ (see, FM-the actual SOURCE for info on the Anglican Communion. That's how you cite things.)

RE: the Real Presence, his/her comments were also true. Belief varies as to details and use of "transubstantiation" to describe it, but a belief in the Real Presence is indeed a feature of Anglican Community theology.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423931 Feb 21, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
good morning people,been gone awhile here,i'm sure i was missed,been in the hospital again!,was seconds away from total renal fairlure,became dillusional,lost time, have no memory from 2:30 a.m.sunday till wesdnday morning when i woke up,my now ex-g/f recorded what happened,it scared the hell out of her so bad that she broke up with me and took out a restraining order against me,which i can and can not understand why, i would never lay a hand on her for no reason in the world,she is the best thing in the world that ever happened to me,her problem is that she is an HIGHLY! overly sensitive girl,now i feel totally lost,my world is gone,have no idea how i'm gonna go on,plus i lost my dog too,my wonderful little angel,capable of following 32 commands now and climbing,and i'll never see her again (sniffle,sniffle,sniffle),oh well.i'm lucky i didn't sell my house like i wanted too.now that i vented,sorry but i needed that. NOW! back to the debate.
Hi Jethro, I am glad you are ok, but sorry for you troubles.
Peoples emotions make them do strange things. I hope she comes back. The dog no doubt will miss you also this is a sad situation.
Wish I could be there for you Jethro besides on this thread.
I pray this won't send you on a downward spiral. Please don't let it ok.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423932 Feb 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Justics was correct in his/her statements.
The Anglican Communion exists in over 165 countries.
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/ (see, FM-the actual SOURCE for info on the Anglican Communion. That's how you cite things.)
RE: the Real Presence, his/her comments were also true. Belief varies as to details and use of "transubstantiation" to describe it, but a belief in the Real Presence is indeed a feature of Anglican Community theology.
Dan can I ask you what the longest Psalm in the Bible is, Do you know.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423933 Feb 21, 2013

Psalm 119, the longest psalm in the Bible, is entirely focused on the Word of God. For your Bible to truly come alive, you must appreciate the qualities that set it apart from all other books.

The Bible is a Timeless Book

The Bible is not the book of the month or the book of the year. It is the book of the ages, unchanging and timeless.

"For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

"Concerning Thy testimonies, I have known of old that Thou hast founded them forever." Psalm 119:152

"Thy Word is true from the beginning: and every one of Thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

In the New Testament, 1 Peter 1:25 states, "But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever ..."

Forever! God says the Word - the Bible you hold in your hand or have on your shelf - is done, settled in heaven. So, if it's on the shelf, dust if off and get it into your heart.

Why? Other books may come and go. The Bible is here to stay. Thousands of years have passed since the Bible was written. Empires have risen and fallen. Civilizations have changed and changed again. Science has pushed back the frontiers of knowledge. Yet the Bible stands: timeless, ultimate, indestructible.

Emperors like Diocletian have decreed its extermination, atheists like Voltaire have railed against it, agnostics through the years have cynically sneered at it, and liberals strive to remove the miracles from the Bible. Materialists have simply ignored it. How is it that the Bible still stands after centuries of attempts to destroy it? Because the Bible is eternal, settled in heaven.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423934 Feb 21, 2013
The Bible is a Truthful Book

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Thy law is the truth...Thou art near, O LORD; and all Thy commandments are truth...Thy Word is true from the beginning ... " Psalm 119:142, 151, 160.

In the Gospel of John, Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" (John 18:38). Jesus had already answered that question in John 17:17 when, speaking to the Father, He said, "Thy Word is truth." In a world that has lost its appreciation for truth, you can say without apology that the Bible is truth.

Today there are many attacks on the truth of the Bible. There's the frontal attack of liberals who deny it is true. There's the attack from the rear by those who want to substitute their own experience over the Word of God, saying, "Well, I know what I feel or think." Sometimes they'll even argue, "I don't care what the Bible says. Let me tell you what I experienced." And there's an attack from the flank by people who don't necessarily deny the Bible but want to replace it or prop it up with psychology, philosophy, or other things - as if the Bible itself were not good enough.

But if you're looking for truth, you can find it in the Bible. Why? 2 Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." That word inspiration is used only once in the Bible - here in this verse. What a magnificent word it is. In Greek it literally means "God-breathed." Jesus said in Matthew 4:4, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Every word comes from God. He did not simply breathe upon the writings of men such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Matthew, Mark, and Paul, making their words His own. They held the pen of God. They were His instruments as He spoke, breathing the Scriptures out. Therefore, the Bible is true, because the God of truth cannot speak error.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423935 Feb 21, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan can I ask you what the longest Psalm in the Bible is, Do you know.
Not off of the top of my head, no.

Why do you ask?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423936 Feb 21, 2013
We must know the Word to have spiritual power. Yet for many the Bible remains a closed, mysterious book. They just don't understand it. There is no cheap, lazy, or magical way to understand the Bible, but it's not impossible. In fact, it's joyful and thrilling.
From Biblestudytools.com
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423937 Feb 21, 2013
LTM wrote:
Psalm 119, the longest psalm in the Bible, is entirely focused on the Word of God. For your Bible to truly come alive, you must appreciate the qualities that set it apart from all other books.
The Bible is a Timeless Book
The Bible is not the book of the month or the book of the year. It is the book of the ages, unchanging and timeless.
"For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89
"Concerning Thy testimonies, I have known of old that Thou hast founded them forever." Psalm 119:152
"Thy Word is true from the beginning: and every one of Thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160
In the New Testament, 1 Peter 1:25 states, "But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever ..."
Forever! God says the Word - the Bible you hold in your hand or have on your shelf - is done, settled in heaven. So, if it's on the shelf, dust if off and get it into your heart.
Why? Other books may come and go. The Bible is here to stay. Thousands of years have passed since the Bible was written. Empires have risen and fallen. Civilizations have changed and changed again. Science has pushed back the frontiers of knowledge. Yet the Bible stands: timeless, ultimate, indestructible.
Emperors like Diocletian have decreed its extermination, atheists like Voltaire have railed against it, agnostics through the years have cynically sneered at it, and liberals strive to remove the miracles from the Bible. Materialists have simply ignored it. How is it that the Bible still stands after centuries of attempts to destroy it? Because the Bible is eternal, settled in heaven.
I guess I didn't have to wait for the response.

Yes, the Bible has endured, preserved by the Church and it has resisted protestant waterboarding of it and their attempts to remove the miracles from it (i.e. His Body and Blood in the Eucharist).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423938 Feb 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Not off of the top of my head, no.
Why do you ask?
It is Psalm 119; I hope you will take the time to read it Dan, It is truly beautiful and inspiring.

Most christians I know have memeorized their favorite parts of it.
I really believe you would enjoy it.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423939 Feb 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catechism is obviously not equated with the Bible in that sense. But it highlights the Bible and flows in harmony with it. It doesn't contradict it.
So in that sense, they would go together just like you think your preachers sermon goes with the Bible reading of the day.
Kind of like Mathew Henry and Ellen White you reckon....lol........some would go as far to say Truth mixed with Lies.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#423940 Feb 21, 2013
SHORT VERSION
I was destroying my life,friends, and family! I reached the end of my rope! I was so tired of suffering which I brought on myself. I was in tromendious pain. I couldn't sleep, eat, and I had just lost several friends, young friends under 30 yrs. old! I went to my Mom for comfort and finally decided to hear her out! I told her either I left home or I would die! I knew death was a reality even more so with the way I was living. I was broken, hollow, and ready to give up! I allowed my mother to pray over me. I had exhausted all other answers and this was a desperate plea for help! I remember feeling better as she prayed it was very odd but comforting. I also remember getting on a plane to florida and crying my eyes out! I was so tired ans lost. An elderly couple saw the hurt and pain in my eyes and asked if I knew Jesus as my lord and savior. They said nothing of negative influence. They showed compassion, love, and I saw they had peace as did others before them! I had nothing to lose at that point. I didn't know why they were so confident or peaceful but I wanted what they had. I then arrived in florida and stayed with my Uncle where he continued to influence me toward Jesus and ultimately my salvation! I decided I would give inn instead of giving up! I sought God with every ounce of my being! I prayed day and night. Fasted and continued to search! Well, One day I decided to end my suffering and prayed that God would send me help. AT THAT moment a man rang the doorbell and asked again if I accepted Jesus as lord and savior. I for the first time invited him inn! I was tired of fighting, being angry, and dispite everything I'd believed in the past, I decided to give God a chance. Threw this ordeal there were numerious occations God revealed himself. It came threw others several different denominations of Gods people whether they knew it or not is beyond me. Finally, I was at church and something happened! I went up for prayer and I remember saying if this is not of you Lord I will not fake anything! I will not fall, laugh, or do anything unless you cause it! Well, I closed my eyes. I was very receptive and as this pastor prayed for me never touching me I seriously saw flashes of light while my eyes were closed. I couldn't believe it and in an instant I felt different. There was no longer any doubt I knew God was real and I had experienced something I thought impossible! I stepped out in faith, I later discovered, and God was there for whatever reason! I felt so Good, peaceful, but at the same time Sad disappointed in myself. I was so ashamed of myself for not believing in God and for all the things I had said in the past! I would say GOD isn't real, I don't believe in him bc I can't see him and lots of other nasty things. I now had gone from not believing in him to knowing he was there. I became a different person selfless, loving, dependent on God, helpful to others, as I wanted to share what I'd experienced with others. I knew I couldn't do anything it was up to God but I could plant the seeds of faith and believe God would water those seeds in due time! This is what happened to me and I knew God would do the same for others. I learned that to be like God I had to be loving most importantly. To my neighbors, friends, and even to those I disliked. I sought forgiveness from others but I was having a hard time forgiving myself as I do now! I can forgive others easily but as for myself not so easy! Anyway, I had become a knower not believer! I know God exsists and he loves us even if we don't know it! ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER! I CAN'T WRITE EVERYTHING BUT I KNOW GOD IS REAL HE LOVES US AND HIS SON DIED FOR US THAT WE MIGHT NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! LOVE IS THE KEY!!!!!!
Oxbow wrote:
790
<quoted text>
Sokay...it happens....share with us your Spiritual awakening...your salvation...I am sure it will be a blessing.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423941 Feb 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I didn't have to wait for the response.
Yes, the Bible has endured, preserved by the Church and it has resisted protestant waterboarding of it and their attempts to remove the miracles from it (i.e. His Body and Blood in the Eucharist).
Dan, The fact that you as a catholic, who claims rights to the Bible , and didn't know that Psalm 119 was the longest one in the Bible tells me how much of this God -Breathed Holy Scriptures your church has shared with you.
I was trying to share a beautiful experience with you, from the word of God.(AS ONE LOVER OF GOD TO ANOTHER) I really thought you would be interested.
I was not changing it or giving my interpretaion of it.
Have a great day.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423942 Feb 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catechism is obviously not equated with the Bible in that sense. But it highlights the Bible and flows in harmony with it. It doesn't contradict it.
So in that sense, they would go together just like you think your preachers sermon goes with the Bible reading of the day.
Not by a long shot Clay, it doesn't even come close.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#423943 Feb 21, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>your right they said it,the scriptures"DOES NOT",the bible is all gods words meant for "MAN" anything outside of that means nothing,the traditions created by constantines 100 unholy ordinary scholars do not mean nothing since they are not supported by scripture,and most likely if these men lived in rome they are pagans not christians,christ said he was going to build a church,but says nothing about it being the C.C.,so it is not true,it's an assumption,just like the other churches no one can make the claim without authenic undenialible scripture support,you have nothing but hearsay,so it's meaningless.like i said no written undenable scripture in which states i will build "MY CATHOLIC,BAPTIST,PROTESTANT ETC.CHURCH" YOU CAN NOT CLAIM TO BE HIS CHURCH,PLAIN AND SIMPLE...we don't even know if the one god theory is true never mind his church,you have to establish that first,then talk about any church.you talk about havingundeniable facts and i'm still waiting to see it.
All the best for better health Jethro!

If we can't trust our politicians and church leaders today to tell us the truth, how can anyone trust with certainty what was written 2,000 years ago that was driven by agenada by a few powerful people in the church who could have fooled everyone of that era.

Remember Jethro outside the bible writings, no one from the entire mediteranean recorded anything, or handed down any stories about a miracle worker Jesus and most of the characters from his story.

....something is wrong, when only one small select group of people claim God himself inspired them, and no one else heard or saw anything for 33 years that resembled the man these story tellers describe.

......something is wrong!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423944 Feb 21, 2013
ironman77 wrote:
SHORT VERSION
I was destroying my life,friends, and family! I reached the end of my rope! I was so tired of suffering which I brought on myself. I was in tromendious pain. I couldn't sleep, eat, and I had just lost several friends, young friends under 30 yrs. old! I went to my Mom for comfort and finally decided to hear her out! I told her either I left home or I would die! I knew death was a reality even more so with the way I was living. I was broken, hollow, and ready to give up! I allowed my mother to pray over me. I had exhausted all other answers and this was a desperate plea for help! I remember feeling better as she prayed it was very odd but comforting. I also remember getting on a plane to florida and crying my eyes out! I was so tired ans lost. An elderly couple saw the hurt and pain in my eyes and asked if I knew Jesus as my lord and savior. They said nothing of negative influence. They showed compassion, love, and I saw they had peace as did others before them! I had nothing to lose at that point. I didn't know why they were so confident or peaceful but I wanted what they had. I then arrived in florida and stayed with my Uncle where he continued to influence me toward Jesus and ultimately my salvation! I decided I would give inn instead of giving up! I sought God with every ounce of my being! I prayed day and night. Fasted and continued to search! Well, One day I decided to end my suffering and prayed that God would send me help. AT THAT moment a man rang the doorbell and asked again if I accepted Jesus as lord and savior. I for the first time invited him inn! I was tired of fighting, being angry, and dispite everything I'd believed in the past, I decided to give God a chance. Threw this ordeal there were numerious occations God revealed himself. It came threw others several different denominations of Gods people whether they knew it or not is beyond me. Finally, I was at church and something happened! I went up for prayer and I remember saying if this is not of you Lord I will not fake anything! I will not fall, laugh, or do anything unless you cause it! Well, I closed my eyes. I was very receptive and as this pastor prayed for me never touching me I seriously saw flashes of light while my eyes were closed. I couldn't believe it and in an instant I felt different. There was no longer any doubt I knew God was real and I had experienced something I thought impossible! I stepped out in faith, I later discovered, and God was there for whatever reason! I felt so Good, peaceful, but at the same time Sad disappointed in myself. I was so ashamed of myself for not believing in God and for all the things I had said in the past! I would say GOD isn't real, I don't believe in him bc I can't see him and lots of other nasty things. I now had gone from not believing in him to knowing he was there. I became a different person selfless, loving, dependent on God, helpful to others, as I wanted to share what I'd experienced with others. I knew I couldn't do anything it was up to God but I could plant the seeds of faith and believe God would water those seeds in due time! This is what happened to me and I knew God would do the same for others. I learned that to be like God I had to be loving most importantly. To my neighbors, friends, and even to those I disliked. I sought forgiveness from others but I was having a hard time forgiving myself as I do now! I can forgive others easily but as for myself not so easy! Anyway, I had become a knower not believer! I know God exsists and he loves us even if we don't know it! ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER! I CAN'T WRITE EVERYTHING BUT I KNOW GOD IS REAL HE LOVES US AND HIS SON DIED FOR US THAT WE MIGHT NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! LOVE IS THE KEY!!!!!!
<quoted text>
Hi Ironman, I was very touch by your testemony. In fact it bought tears to my eyes.

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