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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688558 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423738 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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Good point. But scriptures in this context meant the old testament letters, as when this was written, the NT books had not all be written and were not collected together for a further c.300 years.
Also note that St Paul also recommends preaching and teaching. In the early church this would have likely be the more common method as so few people could read and write, and written scriptures were so rare. This is why the great commission in its various forms in the gospels is a command to preach and teach, rather than to read or write.
Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...

Timothy, in order to be an effective watchman of the Lord's, was to constantly work at keeping the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ free from spot or reproach.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423739 Feb 20, 2013
A Divine Call

Jeremiah’s sufferings began with a divine call:

The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”(vv. 4-5)

God did wonderful things for Jeremiah before he was even born. He knew him. He formed him. He set him apart and appointed him as a prophet to the nations. He did all this long before Jeremiah drew his first breath or shed his first tear.

The call of Jeremiah is rich in its doctrinal and practical content. Among its important teachings are the following:

1. God is the Lord of life. God formed Jeremiah in the womb. Jeremiah had biological parents, of course, but God himself fashioned him and knit him together in his mother’s womb. Telling children who ask where babies come from that they come from God is good theology. And it is not bad science either. The Lord of life uses the natural processes he designed to plant human life in the womb.

2. A fetus is a person. A person is a human being, created in the image of God, living in relationship to God. This verse testifies that the personal relationship between God and his child takes place in the womb, or even earlier.

Birth is not our beginning. Not even conception is our real beginning. In some ineffable way, God has a personal knowledge of the individual that precedes conception.“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” This is the strong, intimate, Hebrew word for “know” that is also used to describe sexual intimacy between husband and wife.

“I knew you.” What a beautiful thing for God to say to his children!“I loved you and cared for you in eternity past. I made a personal commitment to you even before you were born.” And what a beautiful thing for parents to say to their children:“God knows you, God loves you, and God has entered into a personal relationship with you.” This verse holds special comfort for mothers who have had miscarriages. It gives hope to parents who have lost children in infancy, and even for women who aborted their own babies. God knew your child, and he knows your child.

3. We do not choose God before God chooses us. If you want to know who you are, you have to know whose you are. For the Christian, the answer to that question is that you belong to Jesus Christ.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423740 Feb 20, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
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The Scriptures I provided back this part of the prayer.
You are not suddenly chosing to be un-Scriptural when convenient now are you!
PLUS abundant evidence from the times of the NT Church also shows the Church believed that asking the prayers of Saints was in harmony with Scripture.
You are clearly nit-picking because you hate the Catholic Church
To my understanding prayers of the living go up before the God like inscense and continue to do so even after death. Christ is the mediator between man and God.
Once that Saint/Person has desceased there is no new prayers other than those of the living that continue to be sent.
Yes the prayers of the past for the Church and mankind are still in effect but the deceased have no knowledge or current events and will not have til the resurrection.
Rely on Gods word not mans opinion and false doctrine.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423741 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Did Jesus DEFEAT the Devil by just using SCRIPTURES?????
Sure He did.....
And what were those THREE (3) DANGEROUS words that Jesus used????
"IT IS WRITTEN"
He did NOT use the words "I say"....he used "IT IS WRITTEN"
He chose the only safe and sure way to DEFEAT Satan: the HOLY SCRIPTURES!!!!!!!!!!
Amen "Truth" but truth is not in the best interest of the catholic's! Their interests in in the catholic church, and what a bunch of grumper old men said.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423742 Feb 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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It survived that persecution and countless others. And it will survive future persecution too.
I am sure that it will. And will continue to grow, globally.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423743 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...
:)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423744 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...
Timothy, in order to be an effective watchman of the Lord's, was to constantly work at keeping the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ free from spot or reproach.
Timothy is told to mediate and to give himself entirely to the word of God.

What did Ezra do???

Ezra 7:10

10 For Ezra had devoted himself to the study and observance of the Law of the Lord, and to teaching its decrees and laws in Israel.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423745 Feb 20, 2013
I still wonder if those who are hyper critical of praying to Mary or the Saints, pray themselves. I'm guessing here. But I guess that they dont pray themselves, except perhaps at church or on infrequent occassions. I would be interested on any studies on this.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423746 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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4000BC, wow, thats some faith you have there! I thought the old testament was written probably between 8th century and 1st century BC. The NT written in the 1st century AD.
The various books and letters were scattered across the Mediteranean countries and were compiled into one book by the CC towards the end of the 4th century AD. Also at this time the CC codified the beliefs of the church in the Nicene and Apostles creeds, put together a latin translation, the Vulgate, and compiled the church history and teachings of the early church.
Inescapable facts, whether you like it or not ;)
If one was to compile a bunch of letters together by diffrent authours written on tha same subject by no means would one take credit for the works and writting of it now would they.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#423747 Feb 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
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I'm not making up lies about you New Age. Your rejection of Matt 16:13-21 regarding Our Lords One True (Universal Catholic) Church and John 6:47-49 with regards to the Eucharist is quite obvious. If not, then please explain why you reject "Jesus Christs (own, spoken and expressed words"!!!
I don't believe men have the ability to discern what "God" can or cannot do, or determine who "God" can or cannot inpsire - where as you do.

Therefore, you place men above "God" in this aspect.

Additionally, with you do this, you blatantly think others have not been inspired, or the ability to be inspired by "God", thus rejected, because of men, other teachings by Jesus.

Why don't you believe in all of what Jesus taught?
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423748 Feb 20, 2013
The Pharisees showed their hypocrisy when they asked Jesus for a sign proving that He was the Messiah. They were obviously not seeking to know Jesus. They had already seen so many proofs that He was the Messiah. Another miraculous work will not change their minds because they had decided already not to believe Him. Jesus, knowing their hearts, refused to give them a sign. The only sign they would have would be the sign of the prophet Jonah. In this lesson, we will explore the meaning of the sign of Jonah. Let’s read this passage. Matthew 12:38-42.



Matthew 12:38-42. Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."

39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 "The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.

42 "The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.



A sign


There are two words here that we have to define carefully. The first one is the word ‘sign’. When the Pharisees asked for a sign, they wanted a miraculous sign, some miracle that would prove that Jesus is the Savior sent of God. Actually, this word ‘sign’, semeion, is often translated by the word ‘miracle’ in the NT. A sign can be a miracle. However, in several other verses, it refers to some less supernatural events. And sometimes it is used of things not supernatural at all. This word semeion, the sign that the Pharisees asked for, is also used in the expression ‘sign of Jonah.’



Now, in the sign of Jonah, the emphasis is not on the miraculous nature of the sign but on the fact that we are able to see it. In the Bible, a sign is something that you can see with your own eyes and which conveys a message. For example in Luke 2:12, in the Christmas story, an angel said to the shepherds, This will be a sign for you. The angel was not talking about a miracle. The sign will be that the baby is wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. When they see that, the shepherds will know that the baby is the Savior. The word ‘sign’ is used with a negative connotation in Matthew 26:48 where Judas said to the betrayers,‘I will give you a sign. I will kiss Him on the face. That will tell you that He is the one you have to arrest.’ Judas was not saying that he was going to perform a miracle. He said that he was going to do something that they could see, i.e., kissing Jesus.



So here we find that the scribes and the Pharisees said to Jesus,‘Give us a sign that we can see and that would prove what You claim to be.’ And Jesus said to them,‘To this evil and adulterous generation, no sign will be given except the sign of Jonah.’

LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423749 Feb 20, 2013
This generation
When the Lord Jesus says,‘This generation,’ which generation is He talking about? Is He talking about the whole generation of the Jews of His time? If that is the case, does it mean that only the people in Jesus’ day would receive the sign of Jonah and that future generations will not have it?
We have to understand that the word ‘generation’ as Jesus uses it does not have the same meaning as the way we use it in English. In the English language,‘generation’ refers to a particular group of people belonging to the same period of time, usually considered to be about thirty years. When the NT speaks of ‘this generation,’ it often refers to a class of people, with no reference to any length of time, who in this world stand over and against the children of light. They are described here as evil and adulterous. In the OT, we also find the same concept. For example, Psalms 14:5 speaks about the ‘generation of the righteous,’ i.e., the class of people who are described as righteous.
This means that when Jesus speaks about ‘this generation’, He is not just referring to the Jews that He is talking to but to the whole class of people who are wicked. Therefore the sign of Jonah is not only for those standing in front of Jesus but it is for anyone in this present age in which we live.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423750 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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Still remains a fact that these are private devotion. Mass is compulsory. Private devotions are secondary and assist people in thei prayer life and in achieving holiness.
I wonder if any of the critics regularly pray themselves. I dont. But Im not one of those criticising how other people choose to pray.
I am not the one proclaiming spiritual superiority or "perfect" moral teachings.

I am not the one who says the churches of 99% of America's founders founders are not true churches.

This is a Topix message board -- I disagree and give evidence.

I am responding to RCC criticism. I am sorry I hurt your feelings.

On board topic -- the most important "private devotion" of the RCC is a fraud. The "Second Secret" is shamefully absurd.

Jesus did not appoint a "one-true" church and guide it to use fraud to "assist people in there prayer and achieving holiness."

I you disagree, then please tell us why you think Jesus would work in such ways.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423751 Feb 20, 2013
To everything there is a season according to the Bible.

Ecclesiastes 3

King James Version (KJV)


3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423752 Feb 20, 2013
Sen. Rand Paul Speaks Out Against Senators Voting without Reading the Bills



Reminds me of Folks who do not read their Bible as well.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423753 Feb 20, 2013
The RCC's slippery rhetorical dance.....

What are the "perfect teachings" or the "infallible teaching" of the RCC?

Does anyone even know?

If an organization were truly capable of "infallible teachings," wouldn't it make sense for that organization to have a list for its believers, potential believers, and the world to consult?

Yet not one Catholic here can name the RCC's "infallible teachings."

Isn't that absurd?

How about those "perfect teachings?" No problem, consult the Catechism.

OK, which one?

A never-ending dance from the spiritually superior ones.

LOL
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423754 Feb 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
We have to understand that the word ‘generation’ as Jesus uses it does not have the same meaning as the way we use it in English.
Thanks. Interesting post.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423755 Feb 20, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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I am responding to RCC criticism. I am sorry I hurt your feelings.
Its ok, my feelings are intact. fyi I am an Anglican, so am technically a protestant also. I see strengths in both sides of the debate but dislike Christians blasting other Christians.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423756 Feb 20, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
The RCC's slippery rhetorical dance.....
What are the "perfect teachings" or the "infallible teaching" of the RCC?
Some reading for you ;)
http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/the_cree...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#423757 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Did Jesus DEFEAT the Devil by just using SCRIPTURES?????
Sure He did.....
And what were those THREE (3) DANGEROUS words that Jesus used????
"IT IS WRITTEN"
He did NOT use the words "I say"....he used "IT IS WRITTEN"
!!!!!!!!!!
This is exactly my point! The devil quoted scripture just like you "fundies" quote it and Jesus rebuke him because the devils quote was a (mis-interpretation) of the TRUE meaning "OF SCRIPTURE" that God had NOT originally intended!!...... Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church who originally "interpreted the TRUTH" of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397 AD--(KNEW ALL TO WELL) that Satan was trying to use the TRUTH of Scripture "against" Jesus in "tempting him"--just like you "bible only" (buffoons) attempt to (distort the truth)-with one or all of your 42,000 (contradicting mis-interpretations) in an attempt to use the TRUTH of the bible and the TRUTH of TRUE Church History against Jesus Christ and HIS ONE (and only TRUE UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH.

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