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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603253 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

United States

#423220 Feb 17, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>give it up clay, even with oral teachings of the Words of jesus, the Apostles also thought it was necesary to write down His word, as well as luke who started his treatise with those words.
when a person LOVES THE LORD, they dont NEED to be ORDERED to share HIS Words with other people. and you ought to be ashamed of yourself with this type of atitude towards His Word.
The New Testament wasn't written until 30-50 yrs after Christ died. Why?
One theory might be that the Apostles realized Christ wasn't coming back while they were still alive. So some of wrote down their memoirs. Paul didn't write until 58 AD according to historians.

Regardless, the Church is what Christ instituted. And that was already in place..
guest

United States

#423221 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
Huh??
Um, ugh.. Duh, I don't see Christ ordering anyone to compile a Bible. Do you?
Don't you think that this is why the New Testament wasn't even written until 30-50 yrs after Jesus Christ died??
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It is amazing your inability to bring logic into any of your arguments. Or, maybe not so amazing - I suppose the ability to reason about things for yourself has been commandeered by the Catholic hierarchy's indoctrination.
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FYI - Clay ... the BIBLE is NOT the property of the Catholic church.
It is God's gift to all mankind and YOUR CHURCH tried to suppress it, because they did not want people questioning what the Catholic hierarchy was doing.
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The Jews were not selfish with the Hebrew text. They made meticulous copies so all of mankind could read it. This is why it is still available for us today. NOT because of the Catholic church.
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Again: THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR A TRUE CHRISTIAN TO HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE. This is what the Catholic church did. They, in fact, tortured and murdered those who had copies of the scriptures. A TRUE Church would NOT do that - because a TRUE church would have NOTHING TO HIDE.*THEREFORE* Catholicism CANNOT be the true religion. period.
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By denying the people the right to read the Scriptures, the Catholic church has CREATED the confusion that is now prevalent in the numerous denominations.
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atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>give it up clay, even with oral teachings of the Words of jesus, the Apostles also thought it was necesary to write down His word, as well as luke who started his treatise with those words.
when a person LOVES THE LORD, they dont NEED to be ORDERED to share HIS Words with other people. and you ought to be ashamed of yourself with this type of atitude towards His Word.
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True Christians want to SHARE THE GOOD NEWS with everyone. Not hide it at the Vatican libraries.
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SO CLAY ....
IF YOU CAN SHOW ME ONE GOOD REASON FOR HIDING THE SCRIPTURE FROM THE PEOPLE, I WILL RETURN TO BEING CATHOLIC.
Clay

United States

#423222 Feb 17, 2013
ironman77 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct sir! No one has the God given right to judge any religion unless its the catholic religion! It's obvious they are not the one true church based on that comment alone! I wouldn't go to a catholic church unless I was looking for spiritual death and I wanted to have someone else pretend they could forgive me for my sin! Imagine that a priest forgiving me that's as useless as believing the pope could actually bless me and I would actually prosper from it!
"no one has the right to judge any religion unless its the Catholic religion"
Lol. Gee thanks bud. I guess its ok to judge people as long as they are Catholic.. You wouldn't happen to have a scripture verse that supports this eh?

You're nothin but a bigot. Get in line with the rest of em .
Clay

United States

#423223 Feb 17, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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It is amazing your inability to bring logic into any of your arguments. Or, maybe not so amazing - I suppose the ability to reason about things for yourself has been commandeered by the Catholic hierarchy's indoctrination.
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FYI - Clay ... the BIBLE is NOT the property of the Catholic church.
It is God's gift to all mankind and YOUR CHURCH tried to suppress it, because they did not want people questioning what the Catholic hierarchy was doing.
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The Jews were not selfish with the Hebrew text. They made meticulous copies so all of mankind could read it. This is why it is still available for us today. NOT because of the Catholic church.
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Again: THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR A TRUE CHRISTIAN TO HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE. This is what the Catholic church did. They, in fact, tortured and murdered those who had copies of the scriptures. A TRUE Church would NOT do that - because a TRUE church would have NOTHING TO HIDE.*THEREFORE* Catholicism CANNOT be the true religion. period.
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By denying the people the right to read the Scriptures, the Catholic church has CREATED the confusion that is now prevalent in the numerous denominations.
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<quoted text>
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True Christians want to SHARE THE GOOD NEWS with everyone. Not hide it at the Vatican libraries.
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SO CLAY ....
IF YOU CAN SHOW ME ONE GOOD REASON FOR HIDING THE SCRIPTURE FROM THE PEOPLE, I WILL RETURN TO BEING CATHOLIC.
The Catholic Church did not hide our Bible silly.
Folks for 2,000 yrs could here the Gospel at every mass; everyday. We recite two readings from the OT and two from the New.
I suppose you'll say the CC had the technology of the printing press for a thousand yrs- but kept it hidden so you people couldn't read our scripture.
Oops, I hope i didn't just insert another conspiracy theory into your brain.
marge

Ames, IA

#423225 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh??
Um, ugh.. Duh, I don't see Christ ordering anyone to compile a Bible. Do you?
Don't you think that this is why the New Testament wasn't even written until 30-50 yrs after Jesus Christ died??
right clay, they wrote God's Word without God knowing about it lol.
guest

United States

#423226 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church did not hide our Bible silly.
Folks for 2,000 yrs could here the Gospel at every mass; everyday. We recite two readings from the OT and two from the New.
I suppose you'll say the CC had the technology of the printing press for a thousand yrs- but kept it hidden so you people couldn't read our scripture.
Oops, I hope i didn't just insert another conspiracy theory into your brain.
It's

NOT

YOUR

BIBLE.
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BUT

the

Catholic

Church

Murdered

*heretics*

for

reading

it.
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Folks did NOT hear the gospel every day for 2000 years. lol
They heard what the Catholic Church wanted them to hear.
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The Catholic church did NOT have the printing press.
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But they had something FAR MORE IMPORTANT. They had the BIBLE and they kept it hidden from the people.
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THERE IS NO BLASPHEMY WORSE THAN THAT.
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I WOULD GO SO FAR A TO SAY THAT IS THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
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Denying the power of Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.
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Knowledge brings greater responsibility and the church suppressed the full body of knowledge of the Scriptures - thus denying God's Holy Spirit.
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/hebrews/10.htm
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
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CLAY ...
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IF you keep Jesus' words, "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."
from what?
you will be set free from all the lies.
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But how can one "keep Jesus' words" if the Catholic church hides them from the people?
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Once again:
THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR A TRUE CHRISTIAN TO HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#423228 Feb 17, 2013
Saint wrote:
I do not believe in any Catholic authority, however, my church, Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) are taught NOT to judge other religions! Many good and godly people can be found in each of them. One has no "God Given" right to judge them, even when beliefs differ. This is what we need to do, especially as fellow Christians - does not the Bible say: "Judge not, least ye be judged!" ?
I must admit that's a nice attitude, thank you.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#423229 Feb 17, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
right clay, they wrote God's Word without God knowing about it lol.
marge, you're smart :)

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#423230 Feb 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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<quoted text>
Then your words are nothing but hot air...
Quote: Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me where the Catholic Church AND Catholics believe sacred tradition, catechism and Magistrium is "above the Bible?
Its Sunday Ox, I really don't think you should be bearing false witness today.(or any day for that matter)
Oh, the RCC relies heavier on Tradition than anything else. I don't fall for that manmade stuff. No insult to you, honest.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#423231 Feb 17, 2013
ironman77 wrote:
<quoted text>
The holy bible belongs to all whom receive its intended purpose just as Jesus saves those who believe in him you fool! How dare you tell someone they have no business teaching the bible when you have no idea what a quarter of the scripture means and that's obvious based on the fact that your a catholic!
There have no doubt been hundreds of religious books written - so why is the bible the only one taken seriously?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#423232 Feb 17, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
It's
NOT
YOUR
BIBLE.
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BUT
the
Catholic
Church
Murdered
*heretics*
for
reading
it.
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Folks did NOT hear the gospel every day for 2000 years. lol
They heard what the Catholic Church wanted them to hear.
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The Catholic church did NOT have the printing press.
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But they had something FAR MORE IMPORTANT. They had the BIBLE and they kept it hidden from the people.
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THERE IS NO BLASPHEMY WORSE THAN THAT.
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I WOULD GO SO FAR A TO SAY THAT IS THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
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Denying the power of Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.
-
Knowledge brings greater responsibility and the church suppressed the full body of knowledge of the Scriptures - thus denying God's Holy Spirit.
-
****
http://niv.scripturetext.com/hebrews/10.htm
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
****
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CLAY ...
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IF you keep Jesus' words, "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."
from what?
you will be set free from all the lies.
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But how can one "keep Jesus' words" if the Catholic church hides them from the people?
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Once again:
THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR A TRUE CHRISTIAN TO HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE.
For two thousand yrs, people could come into the Church building and hear 4 readings from the Bible as well as experience the scriptures come alive during the Eucharistic Liturgy. Now you tell me how the CC kept it hidden? Man, they brought the Gospel to every corner of the Earth and many died proclaiming it.
Of course, what you realty mean, is the CC didn't print it off and hand it to nut job Ideologues to 'figure out their own Christianity'. Duh

Jesus wouldn't want 42,000 Guests running around telling people what the scriptures are saying.

Question Guest,

WHY WOULD GOD

ESTABLISH
THE
HOLY
BIBLE WITHOUT
AN EARTHLY
AUTHORITY TO SAFEGUARD
AND
INTERPRET IT
FOR THE
FAITHFUL?

Guess what Guest, He did. Its the Holy Catholic Church. You are on the outside of it and have no business teaching on sacred scripture.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#423233 Feb 17, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, the RCC relies heavier on Tradition than anything else. I don't fall for that manmade stuff. No insult to you, honest.
If you been to a Catholic Mass, you'd hear more Bible then you ever heard at any gathering of Christians.
There is the readings (two from the OT and two from the NT) then there is constant prayers that are all mirrored in scripture. Then there is the Liturgy of the Eucharist that is straight from the Bible.
The Mass is sacred tradition. And witnessing it is experiencing Holy Scripture and tradition forever entwined and inseparable.
This is the way it was in every decade since Christ.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423234 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah. Been there done that.
Go toy around with the Mormons scriptures. Leave ours alone.
Mormon writtings are not from Gods Chosen people the Jews which was a vessel of his inspired word that we as gentiles are grafted into by becoming the children of promise through Christ. This how we also become Abrahams seed through Grace not the Catholic Church and it's false doctrine that is contrary to scripture.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#423235 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
who were the Saints bringing the prayers before God in the book of Revelation?
After the Apostles died, many heretics arose (under the guidance of the Devil). They began preaching whatever they wanted about Jesus. most of it fizzled away; it didn't stick. Some of it came back 1,600 yrs later. It still doesn't stick, Confrint.
When people were confused after the Apostles died, they looked to the newest Bishops who were disciples of the Apostles. Ignatius, Polycarp, and Clement of Rome. They had the authority to decide what was valid. They walked with the Apostles and new them personally. The Holy Spirit steered them to truth. After they died, the Holy Spirit did the same with the next group.
Would Christ have it any other way? Would He have a conspiracy ministry until the Ellen Smith arrived 1800 yrs later??
You need to read what the Apostolic fathers thought about Christianity - since they had the luxury of hearing the Gospel in detail from the Apostles mouths.
Catholicbridge.com/catholic/early_church_fath...
~~~

You waste your time....you have proved nothing ..but ...that you can

exercise your fingers..

YOU ARE.... AS A MAN ATTEMPTING TO PULL HIMSELF OUT OF QUICK-SAND BY HIS OWN BOOT STRAPS.

YOU CANNOT LIFT YOUR SELF ONE INCH OFF THIS EARTH WHEN JESUS COMES FOR HIS BRIDE.

WITH YOU OWN BOOTSTRAPS..YOUR FABLES

THERE MUST BE THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE MAN..(. LIKE STEEL BEING LIFTED BY A MAGNET.)FOR ANY ONE TO BE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE COMING OF CHRIST..

THAT EVENT ONLY COMES TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT..(REGENERATED)

JESUS PUT IT THIS WAY...

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see)

to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.

the kingdom of God.

~~

YOU ARE A PART OF A PHYSICAL EARTHLY DYNASTY IN ROME....

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM ...

IT WILL BE A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM ... UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS TO SET UP HIS PHYSICAL KINGDOM IN THE MILLENNIUM.

THE REPRESENTATIVE OF JESUS,... CURRENTLY..UPON THE EARTH ..IS THE HOLY GHOST...THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GOD HEAD...

NOT YOUR POPE,.. WHO IS A USURPER OF THE POSITION OF THE HOLY GHOST.

JESUS SAID...

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

JESUS SAID

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and -->they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.<--

your conjecture has no validation nor credibility from the Bible
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423237 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh??
Um, ugh.. Duh, I don't see Christ ordering anyone to compile a Bible. Do you?
Don't you think that this is why the New Testament wasn't even written until 30-50 yrs after Jesus Christ died??
Owa Christ's own Apostles and their scribes that wrote the Books we find in the New Testament. They still stand today at Gods will not because man compiled and bound them into one Bible. This goes along with scripture were it is written what thou bound on earth will be bound in heaven fulfilling scripture. Diffrent sects/churchs within a Roman controlled culture had the scripture in their synagouges of worship only to be conviscated by the governing authorities over the next 350 years are so and kept from the masses for a time,times and half time.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#423239 Feb 17, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Mormon writtings are not from Gods Chosen people the Jews which was a vessel of his inspired word that we as gentiles are grafted into by becoming the children of promise through Christ. This how we also become Abrahams seed through Grace not the Catholic Church and it's false doctrine that is contrary to scripture.
Who's we?

The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.

Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#423240 Feb 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You waste your time....you have proved nothing ..but ...that you can
exercise your fingers..
YOU ARE.... AS A MAN ATTEMPTING TO PULL HIMSELF OUT OF QUICK-SAND BY HIS OWN BOOT STRAPS.
YOU CANNOT LIFT YOUR SELF ONE INCH OFF THIS EARTH WHEN JESUS COMES FOR HIS BRIDE.
WITH YOU OWN BOOTSTRAPS..YOUR FABLES
THERE MUST BE THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE MAN..(. LIKE STEEL BEING LIFTED BY A MAGNET.)FOR ANY ONE TO BE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE COMING OF CHRIST..
THAT EVENT ONLY COMES TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT..(REGENERATED)
JESUS PUT IT THIS WAY...
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see)
to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.
the kingdom of God.
~~
THE WAY OF SALVATION (TO BE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT) WHICH IS PRESENTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS..GIVEN TO US ... BY THE APOSTLE PAUL
IN
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
___
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
NOTE
Act 11:14 -->Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
guest

United States

#423241 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
For two thousand yrs, people could come into the Church building and hear 4 readings from the Bible as well as experience the scriptures come alive during the Eucharistic Liturgy. Now you tell me how the CC kept it hidden? Man, they brought the Gospel to every corner of the Earth and many died proclaiming it.
Of course, what you realty mean, is the CC didn't print it off and hand it to nut job Ideologues to 'figure out their own Christianity'. Duh
Jesus wouldn't want 42,000 Guests running around telling people what the scriptures are saying.
Question Guest,
WHY WOULD GOD
ESTABLISH
THE
HOLY
BIBLE WITHOUT
AN EARTHLY
AUTHORITY TO SAFEGUARD
AND
INTERPRET IT
FOR THE
FAITHFUL?
Guess what Guest, He did. Its the Holy Catholic Church. You are on the outside of it and have no business teaching on sacred scripture.
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He did.
First to the Jews. They did a very FINE job. They had Jewish scribes who would hand-copy the text meticulously. They kept it in the Temple for everyone to read.
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Contrast that with the Catholic church who murdered and tortured those who DARED to read or translate the words that GOD gave to man.
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I think we need to start quoting the "Bishop of Rome":

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423242 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church has never veered from scripture. Ever.
No Pope, Bishop or Priest has any authority to go against scripture. Everything that was revealed from the Apostles concerning scripture is done. This is why 2,000 yr later, the Catholic and Orthodox look so much different than you 40,000 +. We have not changed you have!
The so-called 'church of Christ' looks like any other fundie sect that's popped up in the last 200 yrs. You guys cherry picked your own religion based on private interpretation of the Catholic Bible.
Rob mentioned another group who tried to build a tower to Heaven. Do you remember them from the Old Testament?
Weren't you one of the ones that said I was being unscriptural by being scriptural? Now you tell me the Catholic Church is completely scriptural. Shouldn't that make them unscriptural in your and Dan's opinions??

You guys are impossible. How can you have a serious topical debate with folks that choose whatever argument is convenient for the current question, nevermind that it completely contradicts the way you answered earlier questions.

Since the Pope, Cardinals etc are supposedly scriptural please point out the requirements for those offices in scripture. Or, you can just suck it up and admit they are not there (meaning, NO they ARE NOT they are in FACT veerings from scripture).
Guest55

Sikeston, MO

#423243 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
Born again Christians.

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