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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653900 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423425 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I already told them about the catechism's are changed , they didn't believe me.
There really isn't much that hasn't been prove through scriptures ex catholic's and protestant, and out of the mouth of their own pope. To know that we are not liars.
Catholics know intellectually that the Catechism has changed -- many times.

Catholics simply can't accept that fact. Their belief system is exposed by 2000 years of irrefutable historical facts. Today, these facts are at our finger-tips, which causes Catholics here a great deal of anxiety.

"Tradition" is vital to their faith, yet all Catechisms and "perfect teachings" prior to Vatican 2 are conveniently forgotten.

Their tradition is like a lunch buffet of beliefs. Some is chosen to be consumed, and the rest goes into the trash.

Selective tradition = zero integrity.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423426 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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aaaahmm....
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If that example is "Apostolic Succession" then anyone can see just how warped the RCC truly is.
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Matthias was chosen to replace an Apostle that proved unfaithful and who turned on Jesus.
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The Popes are 'supposedly' chosen to replace Christ in succession.
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Furthermore there is no Apostolic Succession when it comes to Mathias ... there's only the (supposed)succession of Peter.
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Your argument is devoid of logic - but that is no surprise to those outside the Catholic church since it is, in essence, how a Catholic brain is trained by the church to respond to any argument about True Christianity vs. The Roman Catholic Church.
NO, it’s the One True Church Started by Christ vs. 42K different church started by 42k men/women.[none in agreement, judging from this board]

WRONG... the Pope DOES NOT REPLACE CHRIST!!

There is only ONE Christ.

The Pope is only the expounder!

Apostolic succession .....

Acts 1:20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership.'

Book of Psalms: 108: 8

‘Let his encampment become desolate,

and may no one dwell in it.’ and another TAKE HIS PLACE OF LEADERSHIP.'
[ http://bible.cc/psalms/109-8.htm ]

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423427 Feb 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Self.
Advice for all, especially you.:)

StarC wrote:
One week before Lent 2.13.13
Give Ups for Lent and always...
Give up bitterness; turn to forgiveness.
Give up hatred; return good for evil.
Give up negativism; be positive.
Give up complaining; be grateful.
Give up pessimism; be an optimist.
Give up harsh judgments; think kind thoughts.
Give up worry; trust Divine Providence.
Give up discouragement; be full of hope.
Give up anger; be more patient.
Give up pettiness; be more mature.
Give up gloom; enjoy the beauty around you.
Give up jealousy; pray for trust.
Give up gossiping; control your thought.
Give up sin; turn to virtue.
guest

United States

#423428 Feb 18, 2013
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Dan: "The Pope does not create doctrine himself."
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ok then, I'll bite:... who creates the *doctrine*?
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Dan wrote:
Scripture informs Church doctrine. Christ's teachings.
Doctrinal formation is a lengthy process.
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You really don't have a clue what you just said here, do you?
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Dan: "Scripture informs Church doctrine. Christ's teachings."
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*IF* scripture informed church doctrine you would NOT be calling priests Father. That is CHRIST'S teaching.
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but rather,*church doctrine* waits until everyone is sufficiently *comfortable* with a new teaching and then makes it doctrine - whether or not it is aligned with Christ's teachings.
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DAN: "Doctrinal formation is a lengthy process."
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I guess it takes a while for some things to become sufficiently comfortable for the Catholic Church to declare it as doctrine.
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There is nothing more disgusting than the church's practice of BLATANTLY IGNORING Christ's teachings.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423429 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What apology was issued at Vatican II?
Can you cite it? I googled for same and located what I provided-JPII's papcy is Post-Vatican II.
To my knowledge, the Catechism did not teach that any non-Catholic persons are to go to Hell.
I assume that since you're leaning on some 1826 iteration of the Catechism that you actually have it as a reference. Am I incorrect in this assumption?
During Vatican 2, there was an apology issued to Protestants. I quoted and posted a link. Here's the link again:

http://www.netplaces.com/catholicism/moderniz...

It summarizes the apology.

If you wish to hide from your own church history, I cannot force facts on you. Read what the Council of Trent stated regarding salvation. I quoted it for you.

Read the de fide statements by threes Popes that were referenced here by myself and Micheal.

Or not. Then you can keep fooling yourself.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423430 Feb 18, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Jesus declares baptism a requirement for salvation without any exceptions made.
You would deny an infant baptism as the infant cannot perform an act to your satisfaction. This contradicts scripture.
John 6 has Jesus telling us that we must partake in His Body and Blood. If (I don't know) you believe that your Lord's Supper is simply symbolic of this, this belief contradicts scripture.
You can let me know at your convenience.
Horse puckette!!!!

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

There is no Scripture that says: If thou be baptized thou are saved!!!!!!

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423431 Feb 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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That should tell you ...that you should not be following Constantin's
fables and conjecture....His dogma, traditions, and lies while
including his pagan calisthenics and rituals in your worship.
Jesus said..
Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
==>Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.<==
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Why do you serve other gods...
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith...
Heb_12:2 --> Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Constantine is the author and finisher of yours.
You Roman Constantinians glory in the shame that Jesus despised and
display a corruptible man (a crucifix) 0f what supposed to be ... Christ
upon a cross every where you can.
==>THE CROSS IS NOT GREATER THAN HIS GRACE..
HIS GRACE ... that you do not share with any one but your own Constantinian cult.
Since the word lil' Aimee is not in the Bible why do you go with her teachings???
Why do you follow a drug addicted adulteress ?? Let go of the AIMEE CULT OF THE 1920’s!!!!!!!!!!
Read a history book and the Bible, so-called pastor!!!

“In the years that followed, Sister Aimee continued her preaching and international tours, but her love affair with the press had ended, and rumors persistently followed her. She MARRIED A THIRD TIME in 1931, then divorced in 1934. She died in 1944 from an OVERDOSE of barbituates. She is buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, California. The Angelus Temple still is a church for the Foursquare Gospel, which today claims over two million members worldwide.”
http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/la/scan...
Canadian born Aimee Semple McPherson,
In 1922 she founded the Foursquare Gospel, a Pentecostal mission

THE TRUE CHURCH = CATHOLIC
If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13,
Jesus established only ONE Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on, and so on, and so on….). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423432 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The treaty did not establish diplomatic immunity, so you're factually incorrect.
Again.
Please cite the slave labor used in construction of the Vatican.
Nice spin... Try some reality.

The treaty made the Vatican an independent state - a church-state unlike anything seen before.

As a state, the Vatican was given the power to invoke diplomatic immunity.

As for slave labor that mined the gold used on the Vatican, sorry, obviously I am mistaken. The Indians were unionized and paid a great wage, plus benefits. They loved working in the mines.

Plus the Vatican at the time showed a great deal of concern for the unionized Indian workers. My mistake. We don't want to upset your view of reality.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423433 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What "public treasury" pays for a Cardinal's stipend?
All along I thought it was contributions by the faithful.
Does this work differently in your church? How do you pay the minister?
with a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot... LOL
guest

United States

#423434 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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aaaahmm....
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If that example is "Apostolic Succession" then anyone can see just how warped the RCC truly is.
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Matthias was chosen to replace an Apostle that proved unfaithful and who turned on Jesus.
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The Popes are 'supposedly' chosen to replace Christ in succession.
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Furthermore there is no Apostolic Succession when it comes to Mathias ... there's only the (supposed)succession of Peter.
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Your argument is devoid of logic - but that is no surprise to those outside the Catholic church since it is, in essence, how a Catholic brain is trained by the church to respond to any argument about True Christianity vs. The Roman Catholic Church.
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StarC wrote:
NO, it’s the One True Church Started by Christ vs. 42K different church started by 42k men/women.[none in agreement, judging from this board]
WRONG... the Pope DOES NOT REPLACE CHRIST!!
There is only ONE Christ.
The Pope is only the expounder!
Apostolic succession .....
Acts 1:20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership.'
Book of Psalms: 108: 8
‘Let his encampment become desolate,
and may no one dwell in it.’ and another TAKE HIS PLACE OF LEADERSHIP.'
[ http://bible.cc/psalms/109-8.htm ]
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StarC: "WRONG... the Pope DOES NOT REPLACE CHRIST!!"
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and everybody knows it, too, it's as plain as the nose on your face.*replace* is a bad word choice BUT your church is guilty of bad word choice, too. RCC says the pope *represents* Christ on earth. No. He doesn't.
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And to say the pope speaks for Christ is a lie. The Pope is not spokesperson for Christ - how can he possibly be?...*especially* when covering up for pedophiles! And that is where the Catholic mindset is most warped - when they say the pope speaks for Christ.
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There are political ambassadors who *speak* for the Head of State they represent. They actually relay the same exact message that the person they represent wants to be relayed.
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so tell me, StarC .... how do the following quotes from your pope BENEDICT XVI *speak* for Christ? how does it *expound* for Christ?:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-...
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In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.
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“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something FULLY in CONFORMITY with man and EVEN WITH CHILDREN,” the Pope said.
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explain it to me like I am one of the thousands upon thousands of children raped by a priest.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#423435 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
StarC: "WRONG... the Pope DOES NOT REPLACE CHRIST!!"

You may believe that, but what does the Pope and Church teach?

As recent as JPII, his book, just inside the front cover he made the claim to be in place of "God on earth"..

http://alltheinternet.net/...

I dont have a link to the book but this pastor reads the quote

www.youtube.com/watch...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423436 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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NON-CONTEXTUAL??
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lol - since WHEN is a Catholic interested in CONTEXT?
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The Pope upholds and *clarifies* church doctrine. Yeah, Dan, we saw that. It is OK to consider "pedophilia" as normal in today's society and the Pope *upheld* and *clarified* that ... for the whole world could see.
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POPE BENEDICT XVI: In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.
POPE BENEDICT XVI:“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.
POPE BENEDICT XVI:“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”
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POPE BENEDICT XVI:.... There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'.
Well, I will have to say that Christianity is "better than" Catholicism.
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It is amazing to me how Catholics can compartmentalize everything, and in so doing, make excuses for everything it does wrong. While claiming that Jesus himself gave them that right.
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The Catholic church's excuse making and compartmentalizing mindset allowed this man to rack up no fewer than 130 victims:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan
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lol Catholics are not interested in context, so don't pretend to be here.
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The TRUTH will set you free! and the gates of hell will not prevail against the truth!
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have the gates of hell prevailed against the Catholic Church? the Catholic church OPENED THE GATES WIDE and walked right in.
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murder
torture
pedophilia
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Here is what PETER said about this sort of thing:
http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_peter/4.htm
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. 2 As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For YOU HAVE SPENT ENOUGH TIME IN THE PAST DOING WHAT PAGANS DO-LIVING IN DEBAUCHERY, LUST, DRUNKENNESS ORGIES, CAROUSING AND DETESTABLE IDOLATRY. 4 They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.
When context matters.

The Pope wasn't affirming pedophila nor indicatiing that it should be considered "normal".

You're either illiterate or you think I am.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423437 Feb 18, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Dan, you are getting crazier by the hour with your absurdities. I believe if we were talking about any other subject, you would be coherent.
Irrefutable facts....
I never sited the Catechism as a source and thus never posted a link to the Catechism.
You sited the Catechism as a source but never posted a link.
I did post a link to back up my claim about the Vatican 2 apology, which Dan turned into John Paul's apology 40 years later.(Called avoidance)
Poor Dan has lost it. Arguments which penetrate into Dan's magic aura are not dealt with rationally but by absurdities and contradictions.
Dan, I back up my claims with links. You should try it.
Right-
You never cite the Catechism, which IS Church teaching, when you expound upon Church teaching.

You didn't cite a Vatican II apology. You linked a site where two women were holding court about what Vatican II did. That isn't a citation to a source. Again, it's another of your links to sources where people SAY what they think the Church teaches. You never link to the actual teachings.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423438 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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You may believe that, but what does the Pope and Church teach?
As recent as JPII, his book, just inside the front cover he made the claim to be in place of "God on earth"..
http://alltheinternet.net/...
I dont have a link to the book but this pastor reads the quote
www.youtube.com/watch...
Of course-

No citation to the source. An anecdote

Are you a student of the "Free Mind Guide to Research"?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#423439 Feb 18, 2013
StarC wrote:
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Advice for all, especially you.:)
StarC wrote:
One week before Lent 2.13.13
Give Ups for Lent and always...
Give up bitterness; turn to forgiveness.
Give up hatred; return good for evil.
Give up negativism; be positive.
Give up complaining; be grateful.
Give up pessimism; be an optimist.
Give up harsh judgments; think kind thoughts.
Give up worry; trust Divine Providence.
Give up discouragement; be full of hope.
Give up anger; be more patient.
Give up pettiness; be more mature.
Give up gloom; enjoy the beauty around you.
Give up jealousy; pray for trust.
Give up gossiping; control your thought.
Give up sin; turn to virtue.
"Advice for me"

All of what you write is exactly Self. Thanks for proving my point that humans choose to be and do what they want.

No religion is needed - especially the RCC.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#423440 Feb 18, 2013
StarC wrote:
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Advice for all, especially you.:)
StarC wrote:
One week before Lent 2.13.13
Give Ups for Lent and always...
Give up bitterness; turn to forgiveness.
Give up hatred; return good for evil.
Give up negativism; be positive.
Give up complaining; be grateful.
Give up pessimism; be an optimist.
Give up harsh judgments; think kind thoughts.
Give up worry; trust Divine Providence.
Give up discouragement; be full of hope.
Give up anger; be more patient.
Give up pettiness; be more mature.
Give up gloom; enjoy the beauty around you.
Give up jealousy; pray for trust.
Give up gossiping; control your thought.
Give up sin; turn to virtue.
Why don't you believe Jesus?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423441 Feb 18, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Catholics know intellectually that the Catechism has changed -- many times.
Catholics simply can't accept that fact. Their belief system is exposed by 2000 years of irrefutable historical facts. Today, these facts are at our finger-tips, which causes Catholics here a great deal of anxiety.
"Tradition" is vital to their faith, yet all Catechisms and "perfect teachings" prior to Vatican 2 are conveniently forgotten.
Their tradition is like a lunch buffet of beliefs. Some is chosen to be consumed, and the rest goes into the trash.
Selective tradition = zero integrity.
Their actual teachings are at your fingertips, but you refuse to cite them while making claims about them backed with........peoples' opinions on the internet. Anecdotes.
Zero integrity indeed.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423442 Feb 18, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Nice spin... Try some reality.
The treaty made the Vatican an independent state - a church-state unlike anything seen before.
As a state, the Vatican was given the power to invoke diplomatic immunity.
As for slave labor that mined the gold used on the Vatican, sorry, obviously I am mistaken. The Indians were unionized and paid a great wage, plus benefits. They loved working in the mines.
Plus the Vatican at the time showed a great deal of concern for the unionized Indian workers. My mistake. We don't want to upset your view of reality.
A citation will do for the slave labor statement.

The Vatican is now responsible for India?

Reality would be refreshing from you, FM.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423443 Feb 18, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Horse puckette!!!!
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
There is no Scripture that says: If thou be baptized thou are saved!!!!!!
John 3:5 says it.

That's scripture, isn't it?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423444 Feb 18, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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During Vatican 2, there was an apology issued to Protestants. I quoted and posted a link. Here's the link again:
http://www.netplaces.com/catholicism/moderniz...
It summarizes the apology.
If you wish to hide from your own church history, I cannot force facts on you. Read what the Council of Trent stated regarding salvation. I quoted it for you.
Read the de fide statements by threes Popes that were referenced here by myself and Micheal.
Or not. Then you can keep fooling yourself.
Your link does no such thing RE: an apology issued to protestants.

You can't even tell me what was said and by whom or to whom other than what the two hausfraus at netplaces.com had to say about it.

What a clown. You'd flunk a middle school research paper with this type of "citation".

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