Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
truth

Perth, Australia

#423087 Feb 16, 2013
http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-john/pas...
http://bible.cc/2_john/1-13.htm

i am not going where you going
i don't believe like you..

Since: May 12

Stoughton, MA

#423088 Feb 16, 2013
Elizabeth wrote:
As someone who is catholic and was raised in the faith, I find this truly offensive that the Pope would make a statement like this. It is making me seriously consider leaving the church. As long as popele believe in God and the holy trinity, why does it matter whether they believe as catholics, methodists, lutherans, etc? I think Benedict has gone too far with this statement and I do believe it is going to hurt the catholic church in the long run.
What you beleve is the thing, not how you do it. If a native living in the Amazon forest worships a tree and belleves in that tre the he is equal to any Minister, Preacher, Cardinal.How you celebtate your belief is not important, what is important is your believe. I might go to church once in 10 years, but a believe in the "Father,The Sun, and The Holy Ghost". Let people practice the believe any way they want. We are all the same under our skin.
truth

Perth, Australia

#423089 Feb 16, 2013
''its written''
for Jesus Christ no room no for his mother and her as well..
whats deference today..nothing..
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
truth

Perth, Australia

#423090 Feb 16, 2013
very sad

its written
no room for Jesus Christ
no for his mother as her family

its written
cross

you not love Jesus
as well you don't know who is Jesus

you are all with deceiver
many will come in my name its not me
Jesus Christ words is pure

i am not going where you going

byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#423091 Feb 16, 2013
I really do not find it wise to be under the same umbrella and arguing who is right and wrong. The Bible is percieved in numerous ways with numerous denominations.
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United States

#423093 Feb 16, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Martyr, also known as just Saint Justin (AD 100–ca.165
We know he didn't get it directly from the horses mouth and also you will find in John's scriptures that the church's had already fell to corruption.
Also the scriptures also say even Now there are many Anti-Christ.
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[QUOTE who="Clay"
So that quickly, Jesus already let the Church fall into corruption, even tho He promised to be with them til the end of the world... He promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it?
To skirt around this - without directly calling Christ a liar - you simply say that Jesus didn't really mean a Church, He meant something else.
He promised to be with the Apostles, not anyone else.. So He must have meant something different..
I know I'm putting words in there on what I think you might say. If I'm wrong then tell me the conspiracy scenario you guys subscribe to, because its really confusing for me to follow along.[/QUOTE]
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You have made many posts that are so very sad but this one is one of the saddest. Jesus did not "let" the church fall into corruption. If he "let" the church fall into corruption, then that would imply that everyone living at that time was perfectly aligned to following Christ and somehow Christ, himself, messed up by "allowing" corruption to take hold. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
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Jesus did not "let" the church fall into corruption!
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/18.htm
Jesus answered,“You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. EVERYONE ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH LISTENS TO ME.”
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Not everyone listened to Jesus and the Catholic Church is a shining example of that. They did NOT listen when Jesus said, "Call no man your Father." They're not listening still.
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In the first century the church was already dealing with apostates. Jesus didn't *let* that happen! An apostate sold him out for 30 pieces of silver! Did Jesus let THAT happen? No. Did he know it was going to happen? Yes. Just as he knew some would not listen to his words and would insist on calling mere clergymen, "Father."
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/acts/15.htm
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to CONFIRM BY WORD OF MOUTH WHAT THEY ARE WRITING.
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The WRITTEN word of God is what we have to live by. For 1500 years it was hidden from the masses by the Catholic Church. WHY?
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WHY? Why did the church (Pope) think it was the ONLY one capable of interpreting the word of God? Just ONE person is capable of understanding, correctly, the word of God? and everyone has to obey that one person?
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If that is so, why would God leave the Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures) for all of mankind if only the Pope would be qualified to interpret them? Didn't Jesus go to the Temple to read the Word of His Father? Didn't Jesus quote from the Word of His Father?
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When the Catholic Church refused to allow the common man to read and study the Word of God is when confusion in Christianity arose.
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THERE IS NO GOOD REASON THAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN WOULD HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE.
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Whatever for? A TRUE Church would NEVER do that - because a TRUE church would have NOTHING TO HIDE.
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But more and more we are seeing that the Catholic Church is hiding, and has been hiding, quite a bit form the people.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423094 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the power of the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The power of the Holy Spirit is the power of God. The Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, has appeared throughout Scripture as a Being through and by whom great works of power are made manifest. His power was first seen in the act of creation, for it was by His power the world came into being (Genesis 1:1–2; Job 26:13). The Holy Spirit also empowered men in the Old Testament to bring about God’s will:“So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the Lord came upon David in power”(1 Samuel 16:13; see also Exodus 31:2–5; Numbers 27:18). Although the Spirit did not permanently indwell God’s people in the Old Testament, He worked through them and gave them power to achieve things they would not have been able to accomplish on their own. All of Samson’s feats of strength are directly attributed to the Spirit coming upon him (Judges 14:6, 19; 15:14).

After His resurrection and before His ascension to heaven, Jesus promised the Spirit as a permanent guide, teacher, seal of salvation, and comforter for believers (John 14:16-18). He also promised that the Holy Spirit’s power would help them to spread the message of the gospel around the world:“But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth”(Acts 1:8). The salvation of souls is a supernatural work only made possible by the Holy Spirit’s power at work in the world.

When the Holy Spirit descended upon believers at Pentecost, it was not a quiet event, but a powerful one.“When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them”(Acts 2:1–4). Immediately afterward, the disciples spoke to the crowds gathered in Jerusalem for the Feast of Pentecost. These people hailed from a variety of nations, and therefore spoke many different languages. Imagine their surprise and wonder when the disciples spoke to them in their own tongues (verses 5–12)! Clearly, this was not something the disciples could have accomplished on their own without many months—or even years—of study. The Holy Spirit’s power was made manifest to a great number of people that day, resulting in the conversion of about 3,000 (verse 41).

During His earthly ministry, Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:15), led by the Spirit (Luke 4:1, 14), and empowered by the Spirit to perform miracles (Matthew 12:28). After Jesus had ascended to heaven, the Spirit also equipped the apostles to perform miracles (2 Corinthians 2:12; Acts 2:43; 3:1–7; 9:39–41). The power of the Holy Spirit was manifest among all the believers of the early church through the dispensation of spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophesying, teaching, wisdom, and more.

All those who put their faith in Jesus Christ are immediately and permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11). And, although some of the spiritual gifts have ceased (e.g., speaking in tongues and prophecy), the Holy Spirit still works in and through believers to accomplish His will. His power leads us, convicts us, teaches us, and equips us to do His work and spread the gospel. The Holy Spirit’s powerful indwelling is an amazing gift we should never take lightly.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#423095 Feb 16, 2013
Guest~
If I may, what you have just described is why there are protestants and catholics. When the Church split, these were the topics that were discussed.

A Catholic will stand with their denomination just as a Baptist will theirs.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423096 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: Galatians 5:22-23 tells us,“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.” The fruit of the Holy Spirit is the result of the Holy Spirit’s presence in the life of a Christian. The Bible makes it clear that everyone receives the Holy Spirit the moment he or she believes in Jesus Christ (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14). One of the primary purposes of the Holy Spirit coming into a Christian's life is to change that life. It is the Holy Spirit's job to conform us to the image of Christ, making us more like Him.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is in direct contrast with the acts of the sinful nature in Galatians 5:19-21,“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” This passage describes all people, to varying degrees, when they do not know Christ and therefore are not under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Our sinful flesh produces certain types of fruit that reflect our nature, and the Holy Spirit produces types of fruit that reflect His nature.

The Christian life is a battle of the sinful flesh against the new nature given by Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). As fallen human beings, we are still trapped in a body that desires sinful things (Romans 7:14-25). As Christians, we have the Holy Spirit producing His fruit in us and we have the Holy Spirit's power available to conquer the acts of the sinful nature (2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13). A Christian will never be completely victorious in always demonstrating the fruits of the Holy Spirit. It is one of the main purposes of the Christian life, though, to progressively allow the Holy Spirit to produce more and more of His fruit in our lives—and to allow the Holy Spirit to conquer the opposing sinful desires. The fruit of the Spirit is what God desires our lives to exhibit and, with the Holy Spirit's help, it is possible!
guest

United States

#423097 Feb 16, 2013
re-posted for corrections of typos:
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Martyr, also known as just Saint Justin (AD 100–ca.165
We know he didn't get it directly from the horses mouth and also you will find in John's scriptures that the church's had already fell to corruption.
Also the scriptures also say even Now there are many Anti-Christ.
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Clay wrote:
So that quickly, Jesus already let the Church fall into corruption, even tho He promised to be with them til the end of the world... He promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it?
To skirt around this - without directly calling Christ a liar - you simply say that Jesus didn't really mean a Church, He meant something else.
He promised to be with the Apostles, not anyone else.. So He must have meant something different..
I know I'm putting words in there on what I think you might say. If I'm wrong then tell me the conspiracy scenario you guys subscribe to, because its really confusing for me to follow along.
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You have made many posts that are so very sad but this one is one of the saddest. Jesus did not "let" the church fall into corruption. If he "let" the church fall into corruption, then that would imply that everyone living at that time was perfectly aligned to following Christ and somehow Christ, himself, messed up by "allowing" corruption to take hold. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
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Jesus did not "let" the church fall into corruption!
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/18.htm
Jesus answered,“You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. EVERYONE ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH LISTENS TO ME.”
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Not everyone listened to Jesus and the Catholic Church is a shining example of that. They did NOT listen when Jesus said, "Call no man your Father." They're not listening still.
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In the first century the church was already dealing with apostates. Jesus didn't *let* that happen! An apostate sold him out for 30 pieces of silver! Did Jesus let THAT happen? No. Did he know it was going to happen? Yes. Just as he knew some would not listen to his words and would insist on calling mere clergymen, "Father."
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/acts/15.htm
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to CONFIRM BY WORD OF MOUTH WHAT THEY ARE WRITING.
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The WRITTEN word of God is what we have to live by. For 1500 years it was hidden from the masses by the Catholic Church. WHY?
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WHY? Why did the church (Pope) think it was the ONLY one capable of interpreting the word of God? Just ONE person is capable of understanding, correctly, the word of God? and everyone has to obey that one person?
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If that is so, why would God leave the Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures) for all of mankind if only the Pope would be qualified to interpret them? Didn't Jesus go to the Temple to read the Word of His Father? Didn't Jesus quote from the Word of His Father?
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When the Catholic Church refused to allow the common man to read and study the Word of God is when confusion in Christianity arose.
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THERE IS NO GOOD REASON THAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN WOULD HIDE THE WORD OF GOD FROM THE PEOPLE.
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Whatever for? A TRUE Church would NEVER do that - because a TRUE church would have NOTHING TO HIDE.
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But more and more we are seeing that the Catholic Church is hiding and has been hiding quite a bit *FROM* the people.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423098 Feb 16, 2013
What was the role of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament?
The first appearance of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was in a creating role:“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters”(Genesis 1:2). This also included the creation of humans:“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life”(Job 33:4).

The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was uniquely involved in the lives of men and women, as He “contended” with evil men (Genesis 6:3).

Nehemiah 9:20 reveals the Spirit’s Old Testament role in teaching:“You gave your good Spirit to instruct them”(see also verse 30). The Holy Spirit also teaches in Job 32:8 and Psalm 143:10.

The Old Testament also reveals that the Holy Spirit was a manifestation of God’s presence. When David confessed his sin, he pleaded with God:“Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me”(Psalm 51:11). Other passages also highlight this role (Psalm 139:7; Haggai 2:4-5).

The Holy Spirit also empowered individuals in the Old Testament in order to accomplish a divine plan. Samson’s mighty deeds were performed when “the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power”(Judges 14:6; see also 15:4). Other examples abound, including the Spirit’s work in Joseph (Genesis 31:8), Moses and the 70 elders of Israel (Numbers 11:17), Gideon (Judges 6:34), David (1 Chronicles 28:12), and many others. When the task was accomplished, the Holy Spirit would leave the person. This is in contrast to the Holy Spirit’s current role of indwelling believers and abiding with them “forever”(John 14:16).

A final important role regarding the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament is His relationship to the Messiah. Isaiah 42:1 prophesied,“Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.” Long before the coming of Jesus Christ, the prophets spoke of the Messiah as One who would have the Spirit upon Him. When Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River,“the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove,” clearly revealing Jesus as the Messiah (Luke 3:22).

The Holy Spirit may function in different roles at different times, yet, as the third Person of the Trinity, His nature is always the same. The same Spirit involved in the creation of the universe lives within those who follow Christ today. Christians enjoy the daily benefit of a personal relationship with God through the presence of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit who strengthened Samson and caused David to dance now empowers us and fills us with joy.“‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty”(Zechariah 4:6).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423099 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the human spirit?"

Answer: The human spirit is the incorporeal part of man. The Bible says that the human spirit is the very breath of Almighty God and was breathed into man at the beginning of God’s creation:“Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being”(Genesis 2:7). It is the human spirit that gives us a consciousness of self and other remarkable, though limited,“God-like” qualities. The human spirit includes our intellect, emotions, fears, passions, and creativity. It is this spirit that provides us the unique ability to comprehend and understand (Job 32:8, 18).

The words spirit and breath are translations of the Hebrew word neshamah and the Greek word pneuma. The words mean “strong wind, blast or inspiration.” Neshamah is the source of life that vitalizes humanity (Job 33:4). It is the intangible, unseen human spirit that governs man’s mental and emotional existence. The apostle Paul said,“Who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?”(1 Corinthians 2:11). Upon death the “spirit returns back to God who gave it”(Ecclesiastes 12:7; see also Job 34:14-15; Psalm 104:29-30).

Every human being has a spirit, and it is distinct from the “spirit,” or life, of animals. God made man differently from the animals in that He created us “in the image of God”(Genesis 1:26-27). Therefore, man is able to think, feel, love, design, create, and enjoy music, humor, and art. And it is because of the human spirit that we have a “free will” that no other creature on earth has.

The human spirit was damaged in the fall. When Adam sinned, his ability to fellowship with God was broken; he did not die physically that day, but he died spiritually. Ever since, the human spirit has borne the effects of the fall. Before salvation, a person is characterized as spiritually “dead”(Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). A relationship with Christ revitalizes our spirits and renews us day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16).

Interestingly, just as the human spirit was divinely breathed into the first man, so the Holy Spirit was breathed into the first disciples in John 20:22:“And with that [Jesus] breathed on them and said,‘Receive the Holy Spirit’”(John 20:22; see also Acts 2:38). Adam was made alive by the breath of God, and we, as “new creations” in Christ, are made spiritually alive by the “Breath of God,” the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 5:17; John 3:3; Romans 6:4). Upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God joins with our own spirit in ways we cannot comprehend. The apostle John said,“This is how we know that we live in Him and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit”(1 John 4:13).

When we allow the Spirit of God to lead our lives, the “Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children”(Romans 8:16). As children of God, we are no longer led by our own spirit but by God’s Spirit, who leads us to eternal life.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423100 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the difference between the soul and spirit of man?"

Answer: The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial aspects that Scripture ascribes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two. The word “spirit” refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26), while unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). In Paul's writing, the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer (1 Corinthians 2:14; 3:1; Ephesians 1:3; 5:19; Colossians 1:9; 3:16). The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God. Whenever the word “spirit” is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that “connects” with God, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24).

The word “soul” can refer to both the immaterial and material aspects of humanity. Unlike human beings having a spirit, human beings are souls. In its most basic sense, the word “soul” means “life.” However, beyond this essential meaning, the Bible speaks of the soul in many contexts. One of these is humanity’s eagerness to sin (Luke 12:26). Humanity is naturally evil, and our souls are tainted as a result. The life principle of the soul is removed at the time of physical death (Genesis 35:18; Jeremiah 15:2). The soul, as with the spirit, is the center of many spiritual and emotional experiences (Job 30:25; Psalm 43:5; Jeremiah 13:17). Whenever the word “soul” is used, it can refer to the whole person, whether alive or in the afterlife.

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423101 Feb 16, 2013
"Do we have two or three parts? Body, soul, and spirit? Dichotomy or trichotomy?"

Answer: Genesis 1:26-27 indicates that there is something that makes humanity distinct from all the other creations. Human beings were intended to have a relationship with God, and as such, God created us with both material and immaterial parts. The material is obviously that which is tangible: the physical body, bones, organs, etc., and exists as long as the person is alive. The immaterial aspects are those which are intangible: soul, spirit, intellect, will, conscience, etc. These exist beyond the physical lifespan of the individual.

All human beings possess both material and immaterial characteristics. It is clear that all mankind has a body containing flesh, blood, bones, organs, and cells. However, it is the intangible qualities of mankind that are often debated. What does Scripture say about these? Genesis 2:7 states that man was created as a living soul. Numbers 16:22 names God as the “God of the spirits” that are possessed by all mankind. Proverbs 4:23 tells us,“Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life,” indicating that the heart is central to man’s will and emotions. Acts 23:1 says,“Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said,‘My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.’” Here Paul refers to the conscience, that part of the mind that convicts us of right and wrong. Romans 12:2 states,“Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” These verses, and numerous others, refer to the various aspects of the immaterial part of humanity. We all share both material and immaterial qualities.

So, Scripture outlines far more than just soul and spirit. Somehow, the soul, spirit, heart, conscience, and mind are connected and interrelated. The soul and spirit, though, definitely are the primary immaterial aspects of humanity. They likely comprise the other aspects. With this is mind, is humanity dichotomous (cut in two, body/soul-spirit), or trichotomous (cut in three, body/soul/spirit). It is impossible to be dogmatic. There are good arguments for both views. A key verse is Hebrews 4:12:“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” This verse tells us at least two things about this debate. The soul and spirit can be divided, and the division of soul and spirit is something that only God can discern. Rather than focusing on something we cannot know for sure, it is better to focus on the Creator, who has made us “fearfully and wonderfully”(Psalm 139:14).
guest

United States

#423103 Feb 16, 2013
Vatican's leaked documents - bad for the church ,,, good for the truth.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style...
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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423104 Feb 16, 2013
"What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"

Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.

The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament,“LORD” is distinguished from “Lord”(Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD”(Numbers 27:18) and from “God”(Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.

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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423105 Feb 16, 2013
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature.“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”(Romans 11:33-34).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423106 Feb 16, 2013
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature.“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”(Romans 11:33-34).
truth

Perth, Australia

#423107 Feb 16, 2013
every spirit is not holy
wicket satanic spirit..noooooooooooooo
cuti ces na svetoj pricesti
kako se cerakaju i kikoce u mjesini..o yes honest people can hear that..evil spirit is not holy

Jesus say;''go out from him or her''.

Since: Jun 10

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#423108 Feb 16, 2013
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Dan wrote:

There was. The Catholic Church is the church Christ established.
We're good here.
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Mah words:

Thanks for proving my words!!!! "But...Catholics deny the truth...that is their mainstay"...

History shows the Catholic Church did not come on the horizon until Emperor Constantine, in circa 312, from paganism, established it....

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