Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423098 Feb 16, 2013
What was the role of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament?
The first appearance of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was in a creating role:“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters”(Genesis 1:2). This also included the creation of humans:“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life”(Job 33:4).

The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was uniquely involved in the lives of men and women, as He “contended” with evil men (Genesis 6:3).

Nehemiah 9:20 reveals the Spirit’s Old Testament role in teaching:“You gave your good Spirit to instruct them”(see also verse 30). The Holy Spirit also teaches in Job 32:8 and Psalm 143:10.

The Old Testament also reveals that the Holy Spirit was a manifestation of God’s presence. When David confessed his sin, he pleaded with God:“Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me”(Psalm 51:11). Other passages also highlight this role (Psalm 139:7; Haggai 2:4-5).

The Holy Spirit also empowered individuals in the Old Testament in order to accomplish a divine plan. Samson’s mighty deeds were performed when “the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power”(Judges 14:6; see also 15:4). Other examples abound, including the Spirit’s work in Joseph (Genesis 31:8), Moses and the 70 elders of Israel (Numbers 11:17), Gideon (Judges 6:34), David (1 Chronicles 28:12), and many others. When the task was accomplished, the Holy Spirit would leave the person. This is in contrast to the Holy Spirit’s current role of indwelling believers and abiding with them “forever”(John 14:16).

A final important role regarding the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament is His relationship to the Messiah. Isaiah 42:1 prophesied,“Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.” Long before the coming of Jesus Christ, the prophets spoke of the Messiah as One who would have the Spirit upon Him. When Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River,“the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove,” clearly revealing Jesus as the Messiah (Luke 3:22).

The Holy Spirit may function in different roles at different times, yet, as the third Person of the Trinity, His nature is always the same. The same Spirit involved in the creation of the universe lives within those who follow Christ today. Christians enjoy the daily benefit of a personal relationship with God through the presence of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit who strengthened Samson and caused David to dance now empowers us and fills us with joy.“‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty”(Zechariah 4:6).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423099 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the human spirit?"

Answer: The human spirit is the incorporeal part of man. The Bible says that the human spirit is the very breath of Almighty God and was breathed into man at the beginning of God’s creation:“Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being”(Genesis 2:7). It is the human spirit that gives us a consciousness of self and other remarkable, though limited,“God-like” qualities. The human spirit includes our intellect, emotions, fears, passions, and creativity. It is this spirit that provides us the unique ability to comprehend and understand (Job 32:8, 18).

The words spirit and breath are translations of the Hebrew word neshamah and the Greek word pneuma. The words mean “strong wind, blast or inspiration.” Neshamah is the source of life that vitalizes humanity (Job 33:4). It is the intangible, unseen human spirit that governs man’s mental and emotional existence. The apostle Paul said,“Who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?”(1 Corinthians 2:11). Upon death the “spirit returns back to God who gave it”(Ecclesiastes 12:7; see also Job 34:14-15; Psalm 104:29-30).

Every human being has a spirit, and it is distinct from the “spirit,” or life, of animals. God made man differently from the animals in that He created us “in the image of God”(Genesis 1:26-27). Therefore, man is able to think, feel, love, design, create, and enjoy music, humor, and art. And it is because of the human spirit that we have a “free will” that no other creature on earth has.

The human spirit was damaged in the fall. When Adam sinned, his ability to fellowship with God was broken; he did not die physically that day, but he died spiritually. Ever since, the human spirit has borne the effects of the fall. Before salvation, a person is characterized as spiritually “dead”(Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). A relationship with Christ revitalizes our spirits and renews us day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16).

Interestingly, just as the human spirit was divinely breathed into the first man, so the Holy Spirit was breathed into the first disciples in John 20:22:“And with that [Jesus] breathed on them and said,‘Receive the Holy Spirit’”(John 20:22; see also Acts 2:38). Adam was made alive by the breath of God, and we, as “new creations” in Christ, are made spiritually alive by the “Breath of God,” the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 5:17; John 3:3; Romans 6:4). Upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God joins with our own spirit in ways we cannot comprehend. The apostle John said,“This is how we know that we live in Him and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit”(1 John 4:13).

When we allow the Spirit of God to lead our lives, the “Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children”(Romans 8:16). As children of God, we are no longer led by our own spirit but by God’s Spirit, who leads us to eternal life.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423100 Feb 16, 2013
"What is the difference between the soul and spirit of man?"

Answer: The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial aspects that Scripture ascribes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two. The word “spirit” refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26), while unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). In Paul's writing, the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer (1 Corinthians 2:14; 3:1; Ephesians 1:3; 5:19; Colossians 1:9; 3:16). The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God. Whenever the word “spirit” is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that “connects” with God, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24).

The word “soul” can refer to both the immaterial and material aspects of humanity. Unlike human beings having a spirit, human beings are souls. In its most basic sense, the word “soul” means “life.” However, beyond this essential meaning, the Bible speaks of the soul in many contexts. One of these is humanity’s eagerness to sin (Luke 12:26). Humanity is naturally evil, and our souls are tainted as a result. The life principle of the soul is removed at the time of physical death (Genesis 35:18; Jeremiah 15:2). The soul, as with the spirit, is the center of many spiritual and emotional experiences (Job 30:25; Psalm 43:5; Jeremiah 13:17). Whenever the word “soul” is used, it can refer to the whole person, whether alive or in the afterlife.

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423101 Feb 16, 2013
"Do we have two or three parts? Body, soul, and spirit? Dichotomy or trichotomy?"

Answer: Genesis 1:26-27 indicates that there is something that makes humanity distinct from all the other creations. Human beings were intended to have a relationship with God, and as such, God created us with both material and immaterial parts. The material is obviously that which is tangible: the physical body, bones, organs, etc., and exists as long as the person is alive. The immaterial aspects are those which are intangible: soul, spirit, intellect, will, conscience, etc. These exist beyond the physical lifespan of the individual.

All human beings possess both material and immaterial characteristics. It is clear that all mankind has a body containing flesh, blood, bones, organs, and cells. However, it is the intangible qualities of mankind that are often debated. What does Scripture say about these? Genesis 2:7 states that man was created as a living soul. Numbers 16:22 names God as the “God of the spirits” that are possessed by all mankind. Proverbs 4:23 tells us,“Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life,” indicating that the heart is central to man’s will and emotions. Acts 23:1 says,“Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said,‘My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.’” Here Paul refers to the conscience, that part of the mind that convicts us of right and wrong. Romans 12:2 states,“Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” These verses, and numerous others, refer to the various aspects of the immaterial part of humanity. We all share both material and immaterial qualities.

So, Scripture outlines far more than just soul and spirit. Somehow, the soul, spirit, heart, conscience, and mind are connected and interrelated. The soul and spirit, though, definitely are the primary immaterial aspects of humanity. They likely comprise the other aspects. With this is mind, is humanity dichotomous (cut in two, body/soul-spirit), or trichotomous (cut in three, body/soul/spirit). It is impossible to be dogmatic. There are good arguments for both views. A key verse is Hebrews 4:12:“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” This verse tells us at least two things about this debate. The soul and spirit can be divided, and the division of soul and spirit is something that only God can discern. Rather than focusing on something we cannot know for sure, it is better to focus on the Creator, who has made us “fearfully and wonderfully”(Psalm 139:14).
guest

United States

#423103 Feb 16, 2013
Vatican's leaked documents - bad for the church ,,, good for the truth.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style...
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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423104 Feb 16, 2013
"What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"

Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.

The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament,“LORD” is distinguished from “Lord”(Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD”(Numbers 27:18) and from “God”(Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.

cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423105 Feb 16, 2013
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature.“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”(Romans 11:33-34).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423106 Feb 16, 2013
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature.“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”(Romans 11:33-34).
truth

Perth, Australia

#423107 Feb 16, 2013
every spirit is not holy
wicket satanic spirit..noooooooooooooo
cuti ces na svetoj pricesti
kako se cerakaju i kikoce u mjesini..o yes honest people can hear that..evil spirit is not holy

Jesus say;''go out from him or her''.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423108 Feb 16, 2013
065 028 015

Dan wrote:

There was. The Catholic Church is the church Christ established.
We're good here.
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Mah words:

Thanks for proving my words!!!! "But...Catholics deny the truth...that is their mainstay"...

History shows the Catholic Church did not come on the horizon until Emperor Constantine, in circa 312, from paganism, established it....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423109 Feb 16, 2013
066 032 015

Dan wrote:

There was. The Catholic Church is the church Christ established.
We're good here.
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Mah words:

Plus....Christ not referring to the seven churches in Rev 2 as "Catholic" or "the church in Rome"..because they were not...

The following shows "Pope" made the scent some 300 years after Christ, supposedly, made Peter the first Pope!!!!!

The title "Pope" was from the early 3rd century a general term used to refer to all bishops. From the 6th century the title began to be used particularly of the Bishop of Rome, and in the late 11th century Pope Gregory VII issued a declaration that has been widely interpreted as stating this by then established Western convention. By the same 6th century this was also the normal practice of the imperial chancery of Constantinople.
truth

Perth, Australia

#423110 Feb 16, 2013
your law is not my law..no
truth

Perth, Australia

#423111 Feb 16, 2013
trgovci i bankari=your law
no my law
i am not trgovac or bankers..nooooooooooooooo

did you sold your soul..how much 3x silver

byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
truth

Perth, Australia

#423112 Feb 16, 2013
we are in zavit=prayers without shoes and socks..
when you stay before priest without shoes if he is real priest he will know meaning
zavite is convent
http://bible.cc/psalms/63-2.htm
psalm 63
Who seek my life must died?

it is written
no place
for Jesus Christ and his mother
they been rejected..
its lips
they not honor me
less love me
not at all
truth

Perth, Australia

#423113 Feb 16, 2013
satanic evil people liked posses what is belong to
righteousness..
satanic wicket corupt liars killers and so on

i say to you
your law is not my law
law for righteousness people not exist

its cross
cross tell you about killers
truth

Perth, Australia

#423114 Feb 16, 2013
remember
who can go into kingdom of god
as child
is your child 40
no
its can be 100 years old if you have pure soul as child

your Creator call you
childreen of God..
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423115 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Drivel.
The NT didn't provide any instructions on how Chrit's church was to be organized.
No Dan, it is not "drivel". The NT does in fact "provide instructions" on "how Christ's church was to be organized." Some just choose to ignore it and instead operate in the 'new and improved' way man feels is best.

Pay attention to the verses below. You will notice I have left out Pope's and Cardinals and whatever else you might be aware of in the Catholic church. Had those offices been mentioned in the Bible I would've included them as a part of the Biblical organization of the church.

1 Tim. 3:1-13
Titus 1:5-9
1 Pet. 5:1-5
Eph. 4:11-16
Heb. 13: 7, 17
Acts 14:23, 11:30, 15:2, 4, 6, 22-23, 16:4, 20:17, 21:18
James 5:14
1 Pet. 5:1, 5
1 Tim. 5:17, 19
John 10:1-19
Matt: 20:20-28
1 Thess. 5:12
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423116 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The importance is which Church was described in scripture. That WAS your question, recall?
The Catholic Church resembles the scriptural church and I gave a few examples why - beliefs and practice found in scripture. None of those beliefs are held by the Church of Christ.
Those were the beliefs I asked you to explain. You mentioned a few things but you never explained their importance.

You've spun me in so many posts now I can't remember what they were.
guest

United States

#423117 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
The importance is which Church was described in scripture. That WAS your question, recall?
The Catholic Church resembles the scriptural church and I gave a few examples why - beliefs and practice found in scripture. None of those beliefs are held by the Church of Christ.
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Saban fan wrote:
Those were the beliefs I asked you to explain. You mentioned a few things but you never explained their importance.
You've spun me in so many posts now I can't remember what they were.
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He can't remember what they are, either. All Catholics remember is what the pope tells them to remember.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423118 Feb 17, 2013
that aint right wrote:
Guest~
If I may, what you have just described is why there are protestants and catholics. When the Church split, these were the topics that were discussed.
A Catholic will stand with their denomination just as a Baptist will theirs.
that is the problem, we all should stand with God.
God alone is the start and finisher of our faith.
Denomination means absolutely nothing.
We are not to stand on our denomination, but on the Rock of our Salvation, Jesus Christ.

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