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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 596817 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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socci

Lawson, MO

#423047 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:

They can claim it is igneous all they want, they need to PROVE it in a lab, because that is where science is proven, in a lab.

Just the opposite is found. When granite is heated and recooled it changes losing the inter-mix reclassified another mineral.

If they want to address the issue they will need to refute Dr Gentry in a published article since that is where his findings are, lab results & published science.

This will never happen however, since the evolutionary tards have no interest in the truth rather claim there is no god so stop using their work to try and support the Bible. Their theories have no proof.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423048 Feb 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
Look, just accept you been lied to by some Ideologue who fooled you into a conspiracy Christianity.

There was apostasy already at work at the time of Paul. Justine died in 165 AD. Yet the Nazarenes were keeping the true Sabbath.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423049 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
IF God WAS the *light*(of creation) why did He need to say "Let There Be Light" of creation?
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Of course God is Light. He has always been light. But there has not always been *creation*- and that is where you fail.

The question was, what was light for the first three days before the sun & stars was created. It was God's light that separated day/night. There was no other light.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423050 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
God CREATED the PHYSICAL UNIVERSE ... and the physics behind the PHYSICAL universe.
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We now have ways to measure the physics.
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"Granite cannot be heated to a molten state" ..
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How did granite GET HERE if it was not first MOLTEN?
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FYI: Granite SOLIDIFIED FROM A MOLTEN STATE!
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Therefore: YOU fail miserably.

No science.

How did the first tree get there, from a molten state? No, God created it.

Radio halos proves granite formed in less than 1 minute. God created it just 6000 years ago as the Bible says.

Bible right again!
socci

Lawson, MO

#423051 Feb 16, 2013

Constantine issued edicts enforcing Sunday observance.

Starting as early as 321 AD anti Sabbath laws enforcing sun worship began. Before then Constantine had not accepted Christianity and so persecuted all of them.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out anathema from Christ." Council of Laodicea, c. A.D. 364

"The word Judaizing was used particularly after the 3rd century of the Christian Era, to describe Jewish Christian groups like the Ebionites and Nazarenes....The term was also used in Spain at the time of the Spanish Inquisition, when it was used to describe any practice which even felt Jewish, such as lighting of candles on festivals or observing the Saturday Sabbath."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers
www.sabbathtosundaychange.com

"Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423052 Feb 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Impossible, unless you call Christ a liar. I showed you how the CC teachings are the same since the first century.
I understand you need to ignore whole lot of stuff.
What do you think about Justin Martyr in the 1st century describing Sunday Mass as we have it today.
Look, just accept you been lied to by some Ideologue who fooled you into a conspiracy Christianity.
I do NOT consider Justin Martyr one of the apostles his opinion carries no weight on Gods inspired scripture.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423053 Feb 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I've listened to Jehovah's and SDA people say over and over."Constantine changed the Sabbath, Constantine Constantine Blah Blah Blah.
How do you explain first century Christian celebrating mass on Sunday. 300 yrs before Constantine?
You don't understand, that when you lie, it raises a huge red flag as to where you get your spiritual guidance from.
you can find the apostles and early church coming together and braking bread the Lords supper, daily or as oft as they choose not only on the first day o the week.
guest

United States

#423054 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
Michael,
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The most rudimentary Law of Physics is: For Every Action There Is An Equal And Opposite Reaction.
A more complicated Law of Physics is: E=MC^2 ... where "C" is the speed of light.
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Now ... on Day One of Creation, when God said, "Let there be light." (Or, "Let there be a Big Bang.")... matter was moving MUCH FASTER than it is moving today - in fact, during the First Three Minutes of Creation - matter almost approached the speed of light. We don't know exactly how fast that was. We don't know how much time, from OUR perspective, it took for the initial expansion of the universe. We weren't there and we did not have the necessary tools to measure time. But there are theories.
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E=MC^2 ... E equals M C squared - where E is Energy, M is Mass and C is the Speed of Light squared (or, multiplied by itself).
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This we DO know, as per Einstein's Law of Relativity: TIME is relative to WHO you are and WHERE you are as it is occurring.
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WE were not here during the first 5 *days* of creation. Therefore segments of THAT time are not relative to us. We cannot measure it - we cannot accurately conceive of it - we cannot call it anything else except what God chose to call it, and HE chose to call each segment a "Day".
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From the Law of Relativity we NOW know that each of these segments were different lengths of time measuring into the Billions of Years ...
And from the Bible we know that a "day" to God, is different than a "day" is to us. Einsteins Law of Relativity describes this perfectly E=MC^2. It has even been proven in the *real world* when atomic clocks on satellites orbiting the EARTH must be recalibrated on a regular basis; since they are moving faster than the clocks on the ground they lose time. It is a fact that clocks on satellites mark time at a slower rate than clocks on the ground.
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Einsteins *Law* as given by God to men who had no concept of physics and a Big Bang:
Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 ... A THOUSAND YEARS ARE LIKE A DAY ...
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Maybe Dr. Gerald Schroeder (World Renowned Nuclear Physicist and Jewish Theologian) can explain it to you better than I can (if you want to know why the *sun* does not appear until day four, view part three first):
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
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MICHAEL wrote:
guest says....there are theories.
Michael says...thats all they are theories!
Sounds just like a 7 day cycle to me. The seventh day he rested.
...Day and night was seperated by light and darkness.
Sounds like a one rotation of the earth to me.
(lol) Why would God have to create day and night when they occur naturally with the earths rotation?
theories, theories and more theories...everyone has their theories. What we haven't got is the REAL TRUTH! and we never will.
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Until The Law of Relativity was proved ... it was called The Theory of Relativity.
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Whatever it *sounds* like to you, 7 day cycle, whatever... it doesn't matter. What matters is what it actually IS.
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With "big huge explosions" comes "light" ..now as the universe (plasma) expanded it was a huge fireball (for lack of a better word) and hot plasma pushing outwards in every direction - expanding. The hydrogen and helium glomming together to form heavier atoms LONG before the first structures formed.
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The first structures to form were quasars ... they are currently the most luminous objects in the universe and therefore emit *light* and with the presence of light comes a separation between darkness and light.
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But the earth had not yet formed and neither had the sun so there could be no "planetary" rotation to mark the 24 hour days into "day" and "night". The universe needed to cool before it could form planets. Again, Hydrogen and Helium banged together for an unknown period of time until they glommed together to form the heavier elements.
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God created the universe AND the physics along with it.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423055 Feb 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Impossible, unless you call Christ a liar. I showed you how the CC teachings are the same since the first century.
I understand you need to ignore whole lot of stuff.
What do you think about Justin Martyr in the 1st century describing Sunday Mass as we have it today.
Look, just accept you been lied to by some Ideologue who fooled you into a conspiracy Christianity.
Acts 2:44 (NKJV) Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising Yahweh and having favor with all the people. And Yahweh added to the assembly daily those who were being saved.

According to this scripture, breaking bread was not an uncommon thing to do on a daily basis. It was one of the customs in those days to eat their 'daily bread'. Even in Yahushua's prayer He said "Give us this day our daily bread".

So we cannot confirm that this scripture in Acts 20 is a Sabbath day observance. In fact, nowhere does it say that the first day of the week is the Sabbath. But the 7th day of the week is always called "the Sabbath" in the 'new testament.' Unless you don't believe in the New Testament, you would have to conclude that this was not a Sabbath meeting. So what was it really? Many may not realize that in scripture, a new day begins at sundown. This would mean that at sundown on 'Saturday', the first day of the week begins. This was most probably an 'after Sabbath' fellowship meal where Paul continued to speak until midnight because he wanted to get as much teaching in as possible before he departed the next day.

http://www.eliyah.com/85times.html
guest

United States

#423056 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
God CREATED the PHYSICAL UNIVERSE ... and the physics behind the PHYSICAL universe.
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We now have ways to measure the physics.
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"Granite cannot be heated to a molten state" ..
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How did granite GET HERE if it was not first MOLTEN?
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FYI: Granite SOLIDIFIED FROM A MOLTEN STATE!
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Therefore: YOU fail miserably.
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socci wrote:
No science.
How did the first tree get there, from a molten state? No, God created it.
Radio halos proves granite formed in less than 1 minute. God created it just 6000 years ago as the Bible says.
Bible right again!
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Granite "formed" from plasma at which temperature did it 'become' granite?
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Of course the Bible is correct. YOU are wrong.
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Once again. TIME as we know it is FAR different than TIME as God knows it. The Law of Relativity accounts for the difference in how we relate to time and how God relates to time.
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The inner core of the planet earth is plasma - melted rock ... which becomes GRANITE if cooled enough. I think that is all the "laboratory" proof that is needed. And guess what? God created it.
All of it. It was all first molten and then it solidified when it was cooled enough and then it formed planets and stars.
guest

United States

#423057 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
IF God WAS the *light*(of creation) why did He need to say "Let There Be Light" of creation?
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Of course God is Light. He has always been light. But there has not always been *creation*- and that is where you fail.
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socci wrote:
The question was, what was light for the first three days before the sun & stars was created. It was God's light that separated day/night. There was no other light.
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If the 'question' was,*what was light for the first three days before the sun & stars was created.*
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tell me ... what was "darkness"?
socci

Lawson, MO

#423058 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
Granite "formed" from plasma at which temperature did it 'become' granite?
The inner core of the planet earth is plasma - melted rock ... which becomes GRANITE if cooled enough. I think that is all the "laboratory" proof that is needed. And guess what? God created it.
All of it. It was all first molten and then it solidified when it was cooled enough and then it formed planets and stars.

Nooo science. No such thing has ever been observed.

The science shows there are radio halos that form >1 min disproving the molten formation theory. Also that granite cannot be heated/recooled and remain granite disproves the igneous claims.
www.halos.com/reports/science-1974-perspectiv...
www.youtube.com/watch...

You cannot give an educated reply until you read that or watch the video.

Interesting labs can produce all sorts of mineral, even diamond, but cant produce baserock granites.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423059 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
Until The Law of Relativity was proved ... it was called The Theory of Relativity.

You mean the Law of Gravity? We can observe gravity. There's no observing Einstein's theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relati...

Tesla correctly rejected the Theory of Relativity and big bangism.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423060 Feb 16, 2013
Tesla said:“...the relativity theory, by the way, is much older than its present proponents. It was advanced over 200 years ago by my illustrious countryman Ruder [Roger] Boškovi&#263;, the great philosopher, who, not withstanding other and multifold obligations, wrote a thousand volumes of excellent literature on a vast variety of subjects. Boškovi&#263; dealt with relativity, including the so-called time-space continuum...”(Nikola Tesla, 1936 interview)


“To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view.”(Nikola Tesla, New York Herald Tribune, 11 September 1932)

www.plasmacosmology.net/tesla.html
guest

United States

#423061 Feb 16, 2013
guest wrote:
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socci wrote:
They can claim it is igneous all they want, they need to PROVE it in a lab, because that is where science is proven, in a lab.
Just the opposite is found. When granite is heated and recooled it changes losing the inter-mix reclassified another mineral.
If they want to address the issue they will need to refute Dr Gentry in a published article since that is where his findings are, lab results & published science.
This will never happen however, since the evolutionary tards have no interest in the truth rather claim there is no god so stop using their work to try and support the Bible. Their theories have no proof.
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Just who is this Dr, Gentry and where can one find his "published science"?
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But, first tell me; did this Dr. Gentry recreate the conditions in the lab that are present in nature to form granite from plasma?
I highly doubt it - since there is no way he could - indeed he would have to be God himself and go about creating his own planet with the exact conditions of this one in order to conduct the experiment.
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YOU fail.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423063 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That's a pretty long post.
Why not simply respond "I was wrong and cannot locate their teachings that tell us who is in Hell".
Dan, you keep avoiding what I actually posted and re-posted.

I supposedly post things --- but when I ask you to show me the post, it somehow disappears. Join the club. It has been claimed by another here that I can have it removed by Topix. Maybe that's what happened.

I'll make it simple...

According to RCC teachings at the time of Thomas Jefferson's death, would Thomas Jefferson have had any hope of salvation?

Hint: Thomas Jefferson died years before Vatican 2.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423064 Feb 16, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Your whole life depends on the catechism? Can you make decisions yourself without going to the catholic playbook?
If you DAN can't trust your own church leaders to lead good moral lives, the catechism is just another book of rules and regulations that YOU MUST FOLLOW, but many church officials don't follow themselves.........BUSTED!
When authorities in your church, had stated that others were not worthy, do you Dan, say the church authorities are WRONG?......
You have yet to answer that........I wonder why!
Why do you FEAR to question your church leaders Dan? Popes who believed and informed others that non catholics were not worthy. Embroiled in scandal after scandal, as if the catechism never existed.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Something happens to their brains when they think their faith is reality.

De fide statements by three Pope and the Council of Trent suddenly were someho0w never relevant in RCC teaching.

The brain has exploded.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423065 Feb 16, 2013
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Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
There was. The Catholic Church is the church Christ established.
We're good here.
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Mah words:

Thanks for proving my words!!!! "But...Catholics deny the truth...that is their mainstay"...

History shows the Catholic Church did not come on the horizon until Emperor Constantine, in circa 312, from paganism, established it....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423066 Feb 16, 2013
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Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
There was. The Catholic Church is the church Christ established.
We're good here.
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Mah words:

Plus....Christ not referring to the seven churches in Rev 2 as "Catholic" or "the church in Rome"..because they were not...

The following shows "Pope" made the scent some 300 years after Christ, supposedly, made Peter the first Pope!!!!!

The title "Pope" was from the early 3rd century a general term used to refer to all bishops. From the 6th century the title began to be used particularly of the Bishop of Rome, and in the late 11th century Pope Gregory VII issued a declaration that has been widely interpreted as stating this by then established Western convention. By the same 6th century this was also the normal practice of the imperial chancery of Constantinople.
Clay

United States

#423067 Feb 16, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>I do NOT consider Justin Martyr one of the apostles his opinion carries no weight on Gods inspired scripture.
Ok, then who's opinion does carry weight according to you?
(remember, I'm not an idiot. I can see the chaos of opinions on here.)

Are you just going with your opinion as authoritative?

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