Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422943 Feb 16, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol. if a person belongs to a cult, they are not Saved.period.
ellen white is one of those people that I have in mind, the devil was her buddy. and campbell is another person who didnt beleive in a"know so" Savation, so if you dont know or think that God saved you, then he didnt.
Matt. 7:21
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422944 Feb 16, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why is it that cults wish for us to accept the opinions of another man when the Bible is clear as to how we are to lead our lives?
What is the Biblical definition of cult?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422945 Feb 16, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
THE TRUE BELIEVER..(THOSE THAT BE-ALIVE IN CHRIST...
-->ARE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT..
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,--> Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,--> Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 --> Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
THEY HAVE MATURED TO BECOME SONS OF GOD,...
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS...
2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
HAVE BEEN CIRCUMCISED IN THEIR HEARTS,
Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
-->AND ARE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS..
2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; -->that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
WE ARE FELLOW CITIZENS WITH THE SAINTS..
A PART OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD
Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
THEY ARE..-->
Eph 4:11 And he gave some,
--> apostles; and some,
prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some,
pastors and
teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
The question is:
How are you "born again" and placed "in Christ"?
Everyone should be able to give several conversion examples in the Bible for their answer to that last question.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422946 Feb 16, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why is it that cults wish for us to accept the opinions of another man when the Bible is clear as to how we are to lead our lives?
You just admitted to belonging to a denomination. By the definition of denomination, is it possible for a denomination to not be accepting the opinions of MAN.

I've always been told it takes one to know one. Maybe it is the person from the cult that's accusing others of being a cult...
Clem

Hamilton, Canada

#422947 Feb 16, 2013
truth wrote:
you are against real Creator..you are against me and my family..you are all sinners..did i know you..
did i need say to you
be bless
i say to you
you judging me
accuse me abuse me assault me judge me and so on
did i need bless you
i say to you
you are against heaven and earth and everything what is been as well come..
by
Jerry Sandusky for pope.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#422948 Feb 16, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow.
I hope this is someone faking being Clay.
The Malachy stuff is pur drivel.
It's a bit like that fraud John Edwards, with his parlour tricks for communicating with the dead.
The way you do it (horoscopes too) is to be vague, so that the interp is all in the mind of the interpreter.
If I'm john Edwards, I get up and say, "I'm getting a very strong sense ... of a deceased male presence ... something involving money ... or a will .. perhaps ... there was a question ... involving ....
"
All the while, he is watching the faces and body language of his audience, and he's good at it. He phrases what he says so that it is GUARANTEED that in any large gathering, there will be several people who could apply it to themselves, and think that he is "communicating" with the spirit of their loved one.
The Malachy predictions ... "Ship and Sea" is supposed to have "predictted the election of JPII. But those three words are so vague you could apply them to ANYONE.
Suppose I had been elected Pope, instead of JPII, back in 1978.
Okay. I was born in Hoiston, which is a seaport, and I "shipped" myself back to Oklahoma from HS in the northeast US. So "ship and sea" could be made to apply to me.
Or to anyone.
Such "prophecy" is drivel, and unimportant to Catholics.
Will Christ return today, and commence the Final Judgement? Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe next week.
Maybe next year, or in ten years, or in the thousand years.
I don't care when it happens.
If I am living my faith, placing my trust in the Teaching of Jesus Christ, and living what He commanded (let's not forget that part, though many of our Prot brothers and sisters call that "Salvation by works," and thereby set aside what He commanded), it does not matter when He comes. I'll be ready.
That is the Catholic Faith.
We don't waste time trying to decode the book of "Revelations" to "predict the future," because that is NOT what Sacred Scripture is for.
Don't waste your time on Malachy, either.
It's drivel. Pure and simple.
Rob
I was joking. I know better then to get involved with that doomsday stuff. I hardly read those prophecies and was wondering if you have. The last two I did see, and it looked interesting so I wanted your thoughts.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#422950 Feb 16, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why is it that cults wish for us to accept the opinions of another man when the Bible is clear as to how we are to lead our lives?
Its a bit ironic that the Evangelical born again movement was once considered a small cult. And it is still looked at as a cult by many. They grew and grew over the last 200 yrs in America. You started out as a small sect of former Methodist and Lutherans in Europe. In this country during the "Great Awakening" is when you went from small cult to bigger. You guys decided to read the Bible like a normal book and came up with all sorts of new teachings on Christianity as a result.

But even those people in the 18th century do not resemble you guys today. "neo Evangelicals" spawned off of the original Evangelicals and really mixed things up a bit. You guys became increasingly anti Catholic. And believe it or not, the original Methodist, Lutherans and other Prots who became the evangelicals, were not that anti Catholic.

Wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

The real question is: What's next? What will your grandkids introduce?
My guess is, eventually, there will be a systematic persecution of the Catholic Church led by the Evangelicals. I base this on the growing hatred of the Church, Papacy, Mary and all things Catholic.

I see the lies and deceit from your side, so I'm well aware which spirit is guiding your team.

Cardinal Francis George of Chicago said this last year:

"I expect to die in my bed. My successor will die in prison and his successor shall die a Martyr in the public square"
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422951 Feb 16, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain those please.
Qualities of the original Church written of in scripture-and who ash it -the Catholic Church or the Church of Christ. That was your post I was responding to.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422952 Feb 16, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
How about organizing the church in a way not prescribed in scripture for starters.
The organization of the Church wasn't prohibited in scripture.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422953 Feb 16, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan keeps spinning.
1... I never wrote that the RCC teaches that a specific person is in Hell. However, we can easily infer who they would be by RCC teachings on what was specifically required for salvation.
2... I DID write that the RCC teaches that specific persons are in Heaven.
Did the RCC specifically teach that Thomas Jefferson was in Hell? Of course not. But according to RCC teachings at the time, Thomas Jefferson would surely be in Hell.
Dan is left to playing word games.
You said that they know who's in Heaven and who's in Hell.

Who's in Hell, according to the RCC?

Third time asking.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422954 Feb 16, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
You avoided the specific example I gave...
I asked -- "Is Martin Luther in Hell? Has the RCC changed its teachings on this situation in the past 500 years?"
Dan is left spinning.
Please show me when they ever taught that Martin Luther was in Hell.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422955 Feb 16, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, a deacon is also an ordinary minister of baptism.
Anyone can baptize validly; they are not even required to be a Christian.
All that is required is water and a Trinitarian formula, and the desire to do what Christians do when Christians baptize.
The preferred method would be immersion, but pouring would be considered acceptable.
Sprinkling would generally be frowned upon, although I suppose aargument could be made for its validity at great need. It would be valid but illicit, I think. I will have to look it up.(In a situation where a priest would be resorting to this, there really would not be time for niceties.. The plane would be going down, I think.)
Water is to be used. All kinds of arguments have been made about saliva or other liquids.
Again, I think it would come down to valid but illicit, as one would only resort to these other things when no water was available.
Rob
Deacons don't perform baptism in my Diocese, nor do we immerse. Do they regularly in Tulsa (if that's actually where you're from)?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422956 Feb 16, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't have to say it in the catechism.
[Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, UNLESS HE HAS REMAIMED IN THE BOSOM AND UNITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH"
The highest church officials, at least 3 PREVIOUS POPES have said it at different councils of the church authority at 3 different times in history.
Are you saying DAN that these Popes were wrong in saying this? Are you saying the gospel writer Matthew is wrong 25:41?
Don't blame me for what the church leaders stated.
.......The fate of non-Catholics, as stated prior to Vatican II:
Before Vatican II, the Church consistently taught that only Roman Catholics had a chance to be saved and attain Heaven. Followers of other Christian denominations and of other religions would be automatically routed to Hell for all eternity:
....Pope Innocent III (circa 1160 - 1216 CE) is considered "one of the greatest popes of the Middle Ages..." 1 At the Fourth Lateran Council (a.k.a. the General Council of Lateran, and the Great Council) he wrote:
"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved."
....Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy). He wrote, in part:
"Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed....Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." 2
....Pope Eugene IV,(1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads:
"It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart 'into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels'[Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." 4
Catholics on this forum consistantly say that the catholic church was better off pre-vatican II.
Yes, unfortunately for you, it DOES have to say it in the Catechism.
If it's not in the Catechism, it's not a teaching of the Church.

The early part of the 15th Century isn't what's termed commonly as "pre-Vatican II", as Vatican II was held 500+ years from that time.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422957 Feb 16, 2013
Guest55 wrote:
I wonder if this is the possible reason for the pope's resignation. http://itccs.org/2013/02/14/pope-benedict-to-...
Yeah.

Sure.

An "International Tribunal" apparently consisting of one Canadian makes allegations on a website and the Pope resigns.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#422958 Feb 16, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
932
<quoted text>
KJV....
Well, as you can see then, that verse IS in it.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#422959 Feb 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Its a bit ironic that the Evangelical born again movement was once considered a small cult. And it is still looked at as a cult by many. They grew and grew over the last 200 yrs in America. You started out as a small sect of former Methodist and Lutherans in Europe. In this country during the "Great Awakening" is when you went from small cult to bigger. You guys decided to read the Bible like a normal book and came up with all sorts of new teachings on Christianity as a result.
But even those people in the 18th century do not resemble you guys today. "neo Evangelicals" spawned off of the original Evangelicals and really mixed things up a bit. You guys became increasingly anti Catholic. And believe it or not, the original Methodist, Lutherans and other Prots who became the evangelicals, were not that anti Catholic.
Wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
The real question is: What's next? What will your grandkids introduce?
My guess is, eventually, there will be a systematic persecution of the Catholic Church led by the Evangelicals. I base this on the growing hatred of the Church, Papacy, Mary and all things Catholic.
I see the lies and deceit from your side, so I'm well aware which spirit is guiding your team.
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago said this last year:
"I expect to die in my bed. My successor will die in prison and his successor shall die a Martyr in the public square"
Good observations Clay! You have "definitely have "got it (absolutely) right" with these (contradicting) "bible only {Protestants"! They "all" live in a world of hostility, vengeance, condemnation and judgmental (hate) of Catholics, in denial of the TRUTH of TRUE CHURCH history and Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church. All "anyone" has to do on this forum, is read the "conflicting arguments" that (continually exist) between the "inconsistent interpretations" of the bible that each of these (so-called) "bible only"popes!!!. They ALL (lay claim) claim to have the truth--except we as Catholics know that there is "only one TRUTH" (NOT 42,000 nodge-podge of personal opinions) and that TRUTH (has, is and will always be) in "Our Lords" One True Catholic Church,(the Bride of Christ).
PoPz

Rio Rancho, NM

#422960 Feb 16, 2013
Remember me? So the Beast continues to turn against the Harlot. It is as plain as day. Prophecy continues to be fullfiled. Catholics must really like Bill Maher
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422961 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Qualities of the original Church written of in scripture-and who ash it -the Catholic Church or the Church of Christ. That was your post I was responding to.
That ash doesn't explain those differences you mentioned. I asked whether you could explain the differences and the importance of those differences you highlighted.
PoPz

Rio Rancho, NM

#422962 Feb 16, 2013
There is hope. My son's friend Mac was saved from the lies of the "Mother of all Apostasies" Yes my Son played a role in Saving Mac from catholicism. catholicism is more and more irrelevant as it should be.
PoPz

Rio Rancho, NM

#422963 Feb 16, 2013
People believe in all kinds of crap. islam, rat worship, mormonism, hinduism, and ....catholicism. Man incredible what crap people are duped by!

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