Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Jul 10, 2007 Read more: CBC News 579,652
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422860 Feb 15, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>so you are now saying that people under the Old Covenant were never Saved.
tell that to old moses and lige.lol
THEY MADE IT, YOU GOT IT TO MAKE.
HANK, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, AND YOU SHOULD TELL SABAN THAT. EVEN AT MY ADVANCED AGE, I STILL AINT TO DULL WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORD OF GOD.
If you are not dull when it comes to the Word of God, Preston, then why can't you see what God has written in scriptures???

I didn't write these scriptures, God did....
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422861 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It matters if you make the claim and then counter-claim it, doesn't it?
Hang on here. I've NEVER said the Apostles were not the foundation. I disagreed with Peter being the ROCK you refer to when it is actually the confession of belief that Jesus is the son of God that is the ROCK.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422862 Feb 15, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>jESUS said to His diciples,"receive ye the Holy Ghost and He breathed on them'
John 20: 22
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
now since that has been settled as to WHEN they received the holy Ghost, you now need to know what this "Power on High"was, dont you? when you find out then, tell me.lol
I can read it and tell you easily. but I aint going to tell you, since you cant understand the Things of God.
and I am a [Witness] to you. I wondered WHY God wanted me to tell you in my last post to you.
Conclusion of His earthly ministry, Preston....

After Jesus' resurrection and before His ascension...

Jesus breathed on the apostles to reveal His identity as divine...

This was foreshadowing of the Spirit..... in which they were to receive on the day of Pentecost.

Wasn't it God's breath that brought Adam to life???

How about them dry bones??? lol...

‘I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.'

"Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it,‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’"

Physical breath is essential/necessary to physical life...

The Holy Spirit (God’s breath) is essential/necessary to spiritual life.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422863 Feb 15, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Hank, this is pathetic that you would ever stoop to this level, it does show that you are not Saved, that you have no testimony(witness) for the Lord.
1 Peter 3:15,“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.”
that my friend is a [WITNESS] that a Chrsitian is to give to any man that asks him.
had enough of this drivel. later.even catholic ignorance didnt cause me to want to puke as much as reading this from you and saban
Yes, a witness to the Word of God....

But, not a witness as in an apostle...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422864 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:

"It matters if you make the claim and then counter-claim it, doesn't it? "

New Age writes:

A perfect example of the "Catholic two-step".
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422865 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
.....and you believe that when the last Apostle drew his last breath, that was that.
Everyone was left to fend for themselves, with no authority to turn to for instruction.
Right?
No one was having to fend for themselves. God is with Christians. Christians are "in Christ". I have an authority to turn to for instruction (the Bible), and if those churches put in place the governing body that is found in scripture, they had Elders that met the requirements for elders and they had Deacons that met the requirements for Deacons. Those Apostles did their duty. There is no mention in scripture of them passing anything along except the faith they were instructed to teach.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422866 Feb 15, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Hank, this is pathetic that you would ever stoop to this level, it does show that you are not Saved, that you have no testimony(witness) for the Lord.
1 Peter 3:15,“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.”
that my friend is a [WITNESS] that a Chrsitian is to give to any man that asks him.
had enough of this drivel. later.even catholic ignorance didnt cause me to want to puke as much as reading this from you and saban
Preston,

You should know me by now....I don't put my business/testimony all over this forum....it is not necessary.....

To witness means to present Christ.

What success is in witnessing???

Sharing......sharing Christ with others.....

But, the sharing is determined by the openness of a person, Preston.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422867 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
No one was having to fend for themselves. God is with Christians. Christians are "in Christ". I have an authority to turn to for instruction (the Bible), and if those churches put in place the governing body that is found in scripture, they had Elders that met the requirements for elders and they had Deacons that met the requirements for Deacons. Those Apostles did their duty. There is no mention in scripture of them passing anything along except the faith they were instructed to teach.
Sure there is .

They ordained others.

Cmon, man-you're putting yourself out as the bible guy here. Why am I constantly pointing things out to you that are in scripture?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422868 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We aren't commanded to have "elders" as you use it-people older than ourselves.
Why would God use the word "elders???" And more than one???
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422869 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
No one was having to fend for themselves. God is with Christians. Christians are "in Christ". I have an authority to turn to for instruction (the Bible), and if those churches put in place the governing body that is found in scripture, they had Elders that met the requirements for elders and they had Deacons that met the requirements for Deacons. Those Apostles did their duty. There is no mention in scripture of them passing anything along except the faith they were instructed to teach.
Several examples in Acts.

Acts 6:6 to name one.

Did you tear this page out or something?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422870 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would God use the word "elders???" And more than one???
You used the word in context as "people older and more mature".
Patriot

Boulder, CO

#422871 Feb 15, 2013
METEORITE EXPLODES OVER RUSSIA, HUNDREDS INJURED

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp=5082077...

This is just a sample of what is to come when the appointed time for GOD'S final warnings to mankind arrive - His Wrath against wickedness - see Trumpets 2 & 3, I believe Trumpet 4 will be due to volcanic activity.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/8-6.h...

----

REMEMBER GOD'S Instructions AND Remember He wins this war that began in heaven, it could be no other way - Trust Him:

http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/14-6.... He describes His people in vs 12

http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/18.ht...

http://bible.cc/revelation/7-14.htm

Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422872 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Whom does the Church tell us is NOT in Heaven?
One or two names will suffice.
Myself for one.

I have been exposed to the (supposed) truth of the Church, but reject it outright.

Granted, the RCC has changed its former teachings dramatically. It now allows for the salvation of Protestants and even non-Christians.

But none for former Catholics according to what I've read.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422873 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The passage does tell us that the Apostles were Christ's audience, so yes, His commission was to the Apostles only.
No, it's not a sin for us to spread the Gospel, as I've said.
I do not possess ministerial authority, so I cannot instruct others on what I personally believe scripture to mean, but I can direct people to the Gospels all day and all night.
So in the Catholic church only an Apostle can baptize.?.?
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422874 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you can simply point out which of America's founders have been relegated to the infernal regions by the Catholic Church?
That should narrow your search.
The Council of Trent, 1545 to 1563... reaffirmed the necessity of the sacraments for salvation.

To the best of my knowledge, that teaching was not changed until well after the American Revolution.

Therefore, only two or three out of slightly over 200 Founders would have had any chance of salvation. According to RCC teaching at the time, here are a few of the Founders who your church teaching confined to Hell:

George Washington

Ben Franklin

Thomas Jefferson

James Madison

My only question is -- given that the pronouncements at the Council of Trent were surely considered "perfect teachings" -- when things changed, did George Washington et al get out of Hell?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422875 Feb 15, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Myself for one.
I have been exposed to the (supposed) truth of the Church, but reject it outright.
Granted, the RCC has changed its former teachings dramatically. It now allows for the salvation of Protestants and even non-Christians.
But none for former Catholics according to what I've read.
Me neither.

We're both still here on Earth.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422876 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You used the word in context as "people older and more mature".
And they are suppose to be older men and more mature men....it is scriptural....
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422877 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Whom does the Church tell us is NOT in Heaven?
One or two names will suffice.
Dan, your faith paints you into a corner with its prior claims.

The RCC has made at least three very strong de fide statements that there is no salvation outside the Church; and that "no one" is saved who does not submit to Her pope?

Now it has been back-peddling on those statements, which is a good thing. The problem is that they were made "infallibly," so the RCC can't just come out and admit it was wrong.

So you and others are left to spinning and twisting words.

Is Martin Luther in Hell? Has the RCC changed its teachings on this situation in the past 500 years?

Spin, spin, spin.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#422878 Feb 15, 2013
I don't agree. smh i grew up catholic but didn't like how many Hispanics and Latinos pray to the virgin Mary more then god. so when i was 12 I stop attending mass. I believe in god but not in the catholic church
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422879 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Several examples in Acts.
Acts 6:6 to name one.
Did you tear this page out or something?
Acts 6:6

6 They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

And what happened when the people that the apostles laid their hands on DIED???

The power DIED with them.....

Only the APOSTLES could hand it down....

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