Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422801 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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The Word can be effective and protected through the good and the bad. Some of the most credible witnesses to the fact that there was a Jesus and there was a resurrection were writers of old that tried to discredit it. In their attempt to discredit the Christ God used them to help bring credibility to the facts that cannot be denied, Jesus lived, walked the earth, and has no grave.
I'm not sure if the point I'm trying to make will be understood, but God's Word will survive. History shows that the Word has spread most effectively when Christians are being persecuted for their faith and when all they believe in seems to be lost.
Look at the worship practices and the church government the inspired Apostles implemented and we read about in scripture. Does that look like the Catholic church or the church of Christ?
It looks like the Catholic Church.

It's visible and hierarchal, as in scripture, and they believed that Baptism was salvific and that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ.

They did this with a uniformity of belief without making reliance on their personal interpretation of Christ's teaching. They also did it in the absence of a Bible.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422802 Feb 15, 2013
Justice wrote:
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In the OT God renames Abram Abraham. Making him the foundational figure of Judaism. Likewise in the NT Jesus renames Simon, Peter, meaning rock. He says on this rock he will build his church. The "church" is built upon Peter. Hell will not prevail against the church. So its still here after 2000 years. And Peter is given the "keys". Passing on these keys to his successors ensures that teachings are kept the same and the church divinely protected.
Since "Abram", came from Ur in Sumer/Chaldean, and their gods included "Marduk", "Sin", and others - are you saying Abraham converted to a new god?

Do you have some sort of evidence outside the Bible that states he revoked his allegiance to any other god?

This article posits those same questions.....but shows many good points that shows the biblical stories are not accurate.

http://home.comcast.net/~theseeker/ABRAM.htm
Abraham: Vassal of the Elohim/Anunnaki?
The tales of Abraham's interaction with the entity that singled him out to become a people are written in the early chapters of the book of Genesis. Only later during the time of Moses does the entity name himself as Yahweh. It is not known if the entity with whom Abraham spoke, even fed, was the same as he who manifested to Moses five hundred years later. According to Genesis, Abraham saw the face of his god; Moses did not. In the time of Moses, approximately 1500 BC, the family of Abraham was living in the land of Egypt and had fallen back into the practice of worshiping many gods; the same gods that had comprised the Sumerian pantheon, as well the early Chaldean. The entity that led the Hebrew people from Egypt claimed to be one and the same as the god of Abraham. He claimed that he had come to fulfill his promise to Abraham by making his descendents a people, and give them the land wherein their father Abraham had lived and died. He forbade them to recognize any other god but himself, by force convincing them during forty years of wandering in the wilderness that he was the One and only God.
Did Terah leave the land of Chaldea in rejection of Marduk? Was his patron god another, or did he continue to recognize the older pantheon? The bible does not tell us. It is certain that he took with him from Chaldea the notion of many gods; his relatives in Harran continued worshiping the pantheon. Genesis 31:29-35 tells us Rachel stole the household gods. In verse 29 we hear Laban naming only one of those gods as Abraham's. Through Joseph we understand that the notion of this one god as patron of Abraham's descendents survived into Egypt. The god was forgotten, and then by force 're'-manifested to bring the Hebrews out of slavery.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422803 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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All of us do not have ministerial authorty.
We can share it all day. We all cannot teach it.
Even protestants have ministers, yes?
"ministerial authorty"
- men approving other men to preach beliefs created by men.

PERFECT!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422804 Feb 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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"ministerial authorty"
- men approving other men to preach beliefs created by men.
PERFECT!!
Well, Christ was fully man and fully God.

He "created" the beliefs.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422805 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, Christ was fully man and fully God.
He "created" the beliefs.
Sure - but no specific quote by Jesus to indicate this.

Why are you making up things you cannot substantiate?

You've been duped.
Clay

United States

#422806 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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The Word can be effective and protected through the good and the bad. Some of the most credible witnesses to the fact that there was a Jesus and there was a resurrection were writers of old that tried to discredit it. In their attempt to discredit the Christ God used them to help bring credibility to the facts that cannot be denied, Jesus lived, walked the earth, and has no grave.
I'm not sure if the point I'm trying to make will be understood, but God's Word will survive. History shows that the Word has spread most effectively when Christians are being persecuted for their faith and when all they believe in seems to be lost.
Look at the worship practices and the church government the inspired Apostles implemented and we read about in scripture. Does that look like the Catholic church or the church of Christ?
It looks like the Catholic Church- as described by all the Apostolic fathers.
I never even heard of you guys til a couple yrs ago. You say you were the ones from the beginning and I find that bizarre. Did you have Pope Clement or Linus? Did you have Ignatius of Antioch in your group? These men were members of the same Church the Apostles set up. The latter, Ignatius describes themselves as Catholic and his writings look Catholic.
I don't know what to tell you Saban, you guys seemed to have convinced yourselves of something... But I'm not sure what.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422807 Feb 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Sure - but no specific quote by Jesus to indicate this.
Why are you making up things you cannot substantiate?
You've been duped.
"Quote by Jesus" to indicate what?
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422808 Feb 15, 2013
truth wrote:
pray for them who judge you
pray for them who prosecuted you
pray for them who accuse you
pray for them who abuse you
pray for them who assault you
CROSS is foolish for you
Yep, folks in Australia suffer much persecution and abuse too.

I too will pray for those who do that terrible stuff to you.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422809 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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All of us do not have ministerial authorty.
We can share it all day. We all cannot teach it.
Even protestants have ministers, yes?
The people of today have not witnessed Jesus and he miracles nor His death, burial, and resurrection....nor His ascension into heaven....

But, every believer is commissioned, commanded and constructed to share the Gospel with a lost world.

How are people today in a lost and dying world going to learn that Jesus saves???

How are people today going to learn what sin is and that sin separates us from God???
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422810 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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They ordained others, thus their ministerial authority succeeded beyond them. This is related in scripture. All Christians did not receive the commission by Christ, Saban. The Apostles received it.
Why would a non-Christian receive (or want) authority to teach Christ's message, Saban? What an odd question.
Wrong, Dan!!!

The body of believers have a command and a mission to share the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection and that Jesus saves!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422811 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The people of today have not witnessed Jesus and he miracles nor His death, burial, and resurrection....nor His ascension into heaven....
But, every believer is commissioned, commanded and constructed to share the Gospel with a lost world.
How are people today in a lost and dying world going to learn that Jesus saves???
How are people today going to learn what sin is and that sin separates us from God???
I agreed that we can all share the Gospel with our fellow man. We're supposed to do that.

What I said is that all of us do not possess ministerial authority-I cannot interpret scripture myself.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422812 Feb 15, 2013
Justice wrote:
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I have noticed that Bible only Christians do seem to be inconsistent in their views about women priests. They insist that we should all take the Bible alone in all matters, but at the same time attend churches who ordain women pastors which appears to contravene what is written about in the Bible. Just pointing out the inconsistency there.
I, nor any of my family, will ever attend services at a church that has a woman pastor...the Bible forbids women to do so...any teaching opposite of this is not based on the Word of God...it can't be, because that would make His Word fallible...which it is not....
marge

Ames, IA

#422813 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It looks like the Catholic Church.
It's visible and hierarchal, as in scripture, and they believed that Baptism was salvific and that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ.
They did this with a uniformity of belief without making reliance on their personal interpretation of Christ's teaching. They also did it in the absence of a Bible.
wrong wrong wrong if baptism and communion saved Jesus would not have to gave Himself for us.

You have to trust in Him alone. You have to believe this or your not obeying and He won't send you His Spirit.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#422814 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Suggested reading:
If you're Baptist
http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_...
If you're Lutheran
http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_...
Iam neither and if you would have paid attention to my posts you could easily have garenred that info.

I belong to a Holiness Denomination which believes in [Two] Definite Works of grace given to us by God.

First a person gets Saved and then they receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, exactly the way it is given in the NT and in that Order of course.

I got Saved on 8/25/82; Baptsied by the Holy Ghost on 8/27/82 and then water Baptism followed on 5/28/83.

so you see, I dont need the opinion or opinions of others to tell me what I believe and know is Factual.I was there.and less than ayear after I was Baptised in water, I was Called to Preach and I have been doing that for almost 30 years.so you aint dealing with a pilgrim
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422815 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Wrong, Dan!!!
The body of believers have a command and a mission to share the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection and that Jesus saves!
We do have a responsibility to share the Gospel.

We have not all individually been comissioned to promulgate our own personal interpretation of scripture as Gospel.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#422816 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The simple question would be:
Was this man 'outside of Christ' or 'in Christ'???
Outside of Christ...there is NO forgiveness of his sins....
In Christ....there is forgiveness of sins through the precious blood of Jesus.....
why in the world are so you hung up on this stupidity of being "in Christ". If a person is Saved, then Christ is inside of us. the complete opposite of what you love to tell us.

In Christ....there is forgiveness of sins through the precious blood of Jesus.....

I am sorry, but this statement has to be the dumbest that you have ever made.look at what you are saying and hopefully you will see what I see and that is a BIG CONTRADICTION.LOL

this foolishness or yours can stop at any time. you never acted like this for many years until this "newbie "came on board.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422817 Feb 15, 2013
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concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Whats your point Oxbow why did you feel the need to post this to me.
My post is in full agreement with the SBC statement of faith.
SBC believes Jesus is Fully God and Eternal.
II. God
There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.
B. God the Son
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.
No misunderstanding...

Your Words: With regards to your first assertion Jesus never said he was God yes he did it is Biblical if you wish to make a proper thread for this let me know and I will be there.

And...you quoted Scripture to support your words...

There is a big difference in saying the Bible teaches Christ said He was God, and Him being fully God...in that, as the Catholics so well put it:

The Incarnation implies three facts:(1) The Divine Person of Jesus Christ; (2) The Human Nature of Jesus Christ; (3) The Hypostatic Union of the Human with the Divine Nature in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ.

And: Jesus Christ, is really and truly God,--i.e. has the nature of God, and is a Divine person. The Divinity of Jesus Christ is established by the Old Testament, by the New Testament and by tradition.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422818 Feb 15, 2013
marge wrote:
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wrong wrong wrong if baptism and communion saved Jesus would not have to gave Himself for us.
You have to trust in Him alone. You have to believe this or your not obeying and He won't send you His Spirit.
All this stuff I outlined is in the Bible, Marge. Jesus said all of it.

I trust Him.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#422819 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
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BTW, Preston, I like you, too....
I believe that you love the Lord, too....
but the difference between me and You is this. I am like Paul, you are like the men of ephesus, You dont know what it is like to have the holy Ghost in your life since you are not Saved.that water did no more to Save you than the Catholics tap water experience.

all it did was get you wet. that is it.and I am telling you this for your own good.(God told me to let you know that)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422820 Feb 15, 2013
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Justice wrote:
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In other words you believe in the Catholic creeds, but would not call it such.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth...that is crude.....

Oxbow wrote:
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As a member of a SBC church, I fully agree with their teaching:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.

It is clear I am speaking of their teaching on the incarnation of Christ and only the incarnation of Christ..

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