Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422777 Feb 15, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
No mike that's not what i'm saying? Just as your statement is typical of those on these sites with no formal education on subjects. You pick and choose what you want to believe in the bible and push these unsupported statements on those who would believe repunzel spun gold out of straw.


Most people of faith are so based on what family belief system they were indoctrinated into from childhood. Right? Right! I am sure if you were born a Jew, you would believe their theories, and you wouldn't find your way to catholicism.

The bible a group of books of confusion.

Jews theories disagree with christian beliefs. Protestants disagree with catholics, catholics disagree with protestants.....all groups using the very same so called inspired words of god to establish their own conflicting doctrines.

Why would God create a book that even today creates confusion for world theologens, arguing against its meanings, and trained religious interpretors disagreeing with each other over word terminologies.

Wouldn't God have a set of books created that were crystal clear for all to understand the same?

Unless you can prove your belief trumps everyone elses. The bible is BUSTED!
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422778 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We know the Church has authority. See Christ's commission to the apostles.
I'm sure you know the chapter/verse.
The "main problem", if there is one, is that you continue to proclaim against evidence provided that the Catholic church does indeed have scriptural basis for its beliefs.
A straw man argument.
How can you prove that Christ's commission to the Apostles carried on beyond the Apostles to anyone other than Christians - and Christians only. Christians are priests (Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6).

The Apostles did their job. They are the foundation of the church, but they are also gone. They've died and reached their reward and those that are saved will see them someday.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422779 Feb 15, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>nope, it is just your understanding of what is written. first you used the words of the rushing wind which they couldnt see.
now you are TALKING about what has happened after they are filled and BAPTISED, and they could [see] the RESULTS, which is just what I said, about the FRUITS OF THE HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY GHOST.
you cant [see] the Holy Ghost so dont act dumb, since I know that you arent. as i said that morning, I heard the Holy Ghost, but I did not see Him, and I knew what he wanted me to do(fruits) and I did it(fruits),but this was months after I was already baptised in water , and almost two years after I was Saved and Baptised by the holy Ghost.
you will never know what you are now talking about until you first get saved, and you arent now. and that is to bad. we need all of the soldiers that we can get, but as it is now, you are against us and God by believing and teaching these false doctrines of your church.
and my words now are what some people wanted me to say to you beforehand but I didnt until you bring up these false teachings.
What were the apostles suppose to be for Jesus???

WITNESSES....

And, what were the apostles suppose to wait for???

Luke 24:46-49

46 He told [[[them,]]](APOSTLES)“This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

47 [[[[[and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.]]]]]

48 ~~~~~You are witnesses of these things.~~~~~

49 I am going to SEND YOU (APOSTLES) what my Father has PROMISED; but [[[[[stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”]]]]]

Apostles were going to receive the Holy Spirit Baptism....beginning of Acts Chapter 1....apostles have to be WITNESSES.....

Acts 1:8

8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my [[[WITNESSES]]] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Acts 2:2-3

2 Suddenly a sound like the [blowing of a violent wind] came from HEAVEN and filled the whole house where they were sitting.

3 They [[[SAW]]] what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

Acts 2:4

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to [SPEAK] in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

The Holy Spirit baptism was one measure of the Holy Spirit given to the apostles, the select few in the upper room, and the House of Cornelius.

Only Christ had the Holy Spirit without measure.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#422780 Feb 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen..
There has also been a desire in mn to worship and Idol..as the Roman Catholics do today.
THESE THINGS WRITTEN ABOVE DON'T JUST HAPPEN THEY ARE CAUSE...
THEIR IDOLATRY is the reason that their priest have turned to sexual perversion, sodomy and homosexuality.
What a bunch of anti-catholic BS!!!Confrinting--this is just more of the same old (bible only) distortion of the TRUTH,--lies and deceit that YOU (and you alone) are "so famous for"...... Satan must be rejoicing, knowing that he has a "so-called Christian minister" working for him, spreading his lies, venom and hate against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church....... Idol worship??? Your "snake oil" condemning and judgmental ministry does not speak for God. Never has---Never will... Until you come to the TRUTH of true salvation in Jesus Christ, knowing that he is the ecumentical Savior of the World. Your hostile, hate-filled, antagonistic attacks against the TRUE faith of other Christians--especially Catholics will continue... Until that time comes, your bible only ministry is "nothing but a hoax and fraud.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422781 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We know the Church has authority. See Christ's commission to the apostles.
I'm sure you know the chapter/verse.
The "main problem", if there is one, is that you continue to proclaim against evidence provided that the Catholic church does indeed have scriptural basis for its beliefs.
A straw man argument.
Dan,

We (Christians) are all commissioned to share the gospel....not just the apostles....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422783 Feb 15, 2013
Are we (Christians) suppose to be witnesses for Christ today???

NO!!!!

Why???

Because we NOW have the Word of God.....

We are disciples of Christ or followers of Christ...not witnesses....
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422784 Feb 15, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I gotta hand it to you Saban...
All of Protestantism for the first 300 yrs, at least acknowledged the historic fact, that the Catholic Church were the ones started by the Apostles. But they claim they got all messed up when Constantine legalized the faith. Then the Church went on a downward spiral until the invention of the printing press enabled the regular folk to get their hands on the Bible.
Even Martin Luther didn't deny the obvious historic truth:
"we are compelled to concede to the Papist, that they have the word of God. We received it from them, and without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all"
But you and the Church of Christ??
Heck, you just throw out all historic fact and claim you were the ones from the beginning!!! You carried the Bible for 1500 yrs. YOUR monks hand copied it word for word.
That is as bold as it gets.
Saban, that is as cult as it gets!
The Word can be effective and protected through the good and the bad. Some of the most credible witnesses to the fact that there was a Jesus and there was a resurrection were writers of old that tried to discredit it. In their attempt to discredit the Christ God used them to help bring credibility to the facts that cannot be denied, Jesus lived, walked the earth, and has no grave.

I'm not sure if the point I'm trying to make will be understood, but God's Word will survive. History shows that the Word has spread most effectively when Christians are being persecuted for their faith and when all they believe in seems to be lost.

Look at the worship practices and the church government the inspired Apostles implemented and we read about in scripture. Does that look like the Catholic church or the church of Christ?
truth

Perth, Australia

#422785 Feb 15, 2013
God words is alive +
God words is trustworthy truthful +
God words never died +
Everything will past my words not.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422786 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader
This forum is to debate the merits of the assertion that the RCC is the one true church.
If you wish to go to the Christianity forum and debate the above I would be glad to you would be easy pickens.
However over the years all I have seen you do here is try to stir the poo poo.
With regards to your first assertion Jesus never said he was God yes he did it is Biblical if you wish to make a proper thread for this let me know and I will be there.
For Now let me show you are a biblical dumb dumb.
Exodus 3:14 (NASB95)
14 God said to Moses,“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said,“Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
John 8:58 (NASB95)
58 Jesus said to them,“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” you can not say it any clearer Jesus clearly says he is the I AM the name God gave himself in the OT.
Who did John say Jesus was
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Jn 1:6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
Jn 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
Jn 1:8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Who did Paul say Jesus was
Colossians 2:9 (NASB95)
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
This has all been gone over in the past, and still nothing stated by Jesus to confirm he says he is "God". But you will still paly the misleading card. Why?

All I see in your posts are insults towards me, and lots of men saying Jesus is "God", but yet you didn't supply one specific quote from Jesus saying, "I am God".

Why do you read more into the text than what is necessary?

This is your error. You've accepted what men have stated - without researching these words, all the while, not going by what Jesus stated.

Back to Christianity 101 for you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422787 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
However over the years all I have seen you do here is try to stir the poo poo.
Yes - Christianity is "poo-poo" and I am stirring in the things to cleanse it.

If that is a crime, I'll speak with your "God" when I get there.

Thanks for your concern.

Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422788 Feb 15, 2013
truth wrote:
Every spirit is not holy.
Stop trying to mislead.

You don't knwo this to be true or false.

Unless you can physically show evidence of your claim that there are good and bad spirits.

If not, admit your fault and move on.
truth

Perth, Australia

#422789 Feb 15, 2013
Yes to all Christ promise.
truth

Perth, Australia

#422790 Feb 15, 2013
nevaehheaven
nn evaehheave is that your jahve
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo
http://bible.cc/numbers/14-14.htm
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422791 Feb 15, 2013
.. Catholics believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs, will spend all of Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering, yet you boast and consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

More christians per capita in american prisons than non believers....UNBLIEVABLE!

BUSTED!
truth

Perth, Australia

#422792 Feb 15, 2013
remember your convent with us
remember your convent with us
remember your convent with us

name of creator heaven is alive
name or real creator is truth
name of real creator is for ever alive never died

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422793 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually you are stating more than is printed in you assertion because at http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#ii
Where you copied these verses it is to show he is the God the Son there is no reference that he is or is not God almighty.
However Jesus is God and Jesus is the Christ and Jesus is the Son of God who Created the Heavens and the Earth and all that is found in them. That makes him Almighty as is the Holy Spirit and is the Father as they are all God and there is only one God and God is Almighty.
Just so you know.
Why do you believe men?

Please post the exact quote where Jesus calls himself "God".

Point of interest....

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-long.htm...

If Jesus is explaining to John in this ancient text, referring to his Father, as:
"[It is the] invisible [Spirit], and It is not appropriate [to consider It] to be like the g[o]ds or that It is something similar. For It is more than divine,[without anything] existing over It. For nothing lords [over It]. It can­not be [limi]ted because there is nothing [before It] to limit It.[It is] inscrut[able because there] is no one who exists before It [to scrutinine It.][It is im]measurable because there is nothing [which exists before It to measure] It.[It is] in[visible because there is] no one to see [It. It is an eternity existing] eternally.[It is ineffable because] there is no one able to comprehend It in order to sp[eak about It.] It is [un]nameable because [there is no one before It] to name [It.] It is [the immeasurable light,] which is pure,[holy, and unpolluted. It is in]effable [being perfect i]n incorruptibility.(It does)[not](exist) in per[fection], blessed[ness, or] divini[ty] but It is [far] supe­rior (to these)."

- not "God".

Jesus never called himself "God", why should you?

In fact, he refers to "God" as an 'mistake'.

"10 Sophia of the Epinoia, being an Aeon, thought a thought from within herself and the thought of the invisible Spirit and Foreknowledge. She willed a likeness to appear from within herself without the will of the Spirit—It had not approved—and without her partner and without his consideration. For the countenance of her masculinity did not approve, and she had not found her partner. She deliberated apart from the will of the Spirit and the understanding of her partner. She brought forth.

Because of the unconquerable power within her, her thought did not remain idle. And an imperfect product appeared from her, and it was different from her pattern because she created it without her partner. And it was not patterned after the likeness of its Mother, for it had a different form. When she saw (the product of) her will, it was dif­ferent, a model of a lion-faced serpent. His eyes were like flashing fires of lightning. She cast him out from her, outside of those places so that none among the immortals might see him, for she had cre­ated him in ignorance."

Again, the RCC teaches what it wants, in order to appease followers, and to have them part of their organization.

Incomplete information leads to an incomplete belief.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422794 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you prove that Christ's commission to the Apostles carried on beyond the Apostles to anyone other than Christians - and Christians only. Christians are priests (Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6).
The Apostles did their job. They are the foundation of the church, but they are also gone. They've died and reached their reward and those that are saved will see them someday.
They ordained others, thus their ministerial authority succeeded beyond them. This is related in scripture. All Christians did not receive the commission by Christ, Saban. The Apostles received it.

Why would a non-Christian receive (or want) authority to teach Christ's message, Saban? What an odd question.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422795 Feb 15, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
.. Catholics believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs, will spend all of Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering, yet you boast and consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
More christians per capita in american prisons than non believers....UNBLIEVABLE!
BUSTED!
Can you cite the Catehcism that relates this teaching, Micheal?

We'd love to see something approaching proof for your claim here.

Thanks
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422796 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you prove that Christ's commission to the Apostles carried on beyond the Apostles to anyone other than Christians - and Christians only. Christians are priests (Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6).
The Apostles did their job. They are the foundation of the church, but they are also gone. They've died and reached their reward and those that are saved will see them someday.
Earlier, you denied that Christ founded the Church with St. Peter as earthly head.

Now, you claim that the Apostles were, in fact, the foundation of the Church.

What happened to change your thinking?
truth

Perth, Australia

#422797 Feb 15, 2013
pride is sin
cross
you judge righteousness
you set up on wicket satanic evil way

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