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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667738 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

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#422823 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
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What were the apostles suppose to be for Jesus???
WITNESSES....
And, what were the apostles suppose to wait for???
Luke 24:46-49
46 He told [[[them,]]](APOSTLES)“This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47 [[[[[and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.]]]]]
48 ~~~~~You are witnesses of these things.~~~~~
49 I am going to SEND YOU (APOSTLES) what my Father has PROMISED; but [[[[[stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”]]]]]
Apostles were going to receive the Holy Spirit Baptism....beginning of Acts Chapter 1....apostles have to be WITNESSES.....
Acts 1:8
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my [[[WITNESSES]]] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
Acts 2:2-3
2 Suddenly a sound like the [blowing of a violent wind] came from HEAVEN and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3 They [[[SAW]]] what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
Acts 2:4
4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to [SPEAK] in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
The Holy Spirit baptism was one measure of the Holy Spirit given to the apostles, the select few in the upper room, and the House of Cornelius.
Only Christ had the Holy Spirit without measure.
jESUS said to His diciples,"receive ye the Holy Ghost and He breathed on them'

John 20: 22
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

now since that has been settled as to WHEN they received the holy Ghost, you now need to know what this "Power on High"was, dont you? when you find out then, tell me.lol

I can read it and tell you easily. but I aint going to tell you, since you cant understand the Things of God.

and I am a [Witness] to you. I wondered WHY God wanted me to tell you in my last post to you.

Since: Jun 10

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#422824 Feb 15, 2013
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concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Actually you are stating more than is printed in you assertion because at http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#ii
Where you copied these verses it is to show he is the God the Son there is no reference that he is or is not God almighty.
However Jesus is God and Jesus is the Christ and Jesus is the Son of God who Created the Heavens and the Earth and all that is found in them. That makes him Almighty as is the Holy Spirit and is the Father as they are all God and there is only one God and God is Almighty.
Just so you know.
There is no cure for it!!!!

"Where you copied these verses it is to show he is the God the Son there is no reference that he is or is not God almighty."

Of course there is no Scripture that teaches Christ is God Almighty...that would be in conflict with Scripture quoted by the SBC that teaches He is the incarnate eternal Son of God, and is not God Almighty... Hello???!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422825 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
Well, Christ was fully man and fully God.
He "created" the beliefs.

New Age wrote:
Sure - but no specific quote by Jesus to indicate this.

Why are you making up things you cannot substantiate?

You've been duped.
Dan wrote:
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"Quote by Jesus" to indicate what?
While you seem to refuse to pay attention to even the simple questions, you are right on cue to try and play dumb with this.

Please stay focussed.

Please post the "quote by Jesus" that has himself calling himself "God".

You are better than this "Dan".

Since: Jan 08

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#422826 Feb 15, 2013
and hank, as far as that Power,

ONLY gif and myself can testify to it.you cant.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422827 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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What I claim does not matter it is what the Bible teaches us that matters. The Bible says:
Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Peter preached the first sermon and he was the first that taught to the initial 3000 that entered into the church how to do so.
It matters if you make the claim and then counter-claim it, doesn't it?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422828 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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What I claim does not matter it is what the Bible teaches us that matters. The Bible says:
Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Peter preached the first sermon and he was the first that taught to the initial 3000 that entered into the church how to do so.
.....and you believe that when the last Apostle drew his last breath, that was that.

Everyone was left to fend for themselves, with no authority to turn to for instruction.

Right?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422829 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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They ordained others, thus their ministerial authority succeeded beyond them. This is related in scripture. All Christians did not receive the commission by Christ, Saban. The Apostles received it.
Why would a non-Christian receive (or want) authority to teach Christ's message, Saban? What an odd question.
Tell me where I would find the ordaining process.

"All Christians did not receive the commission of Christ"?????

So you think the following was to the Apostles only?

Matthew 28:16-20
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Would a normal member of the Catholic church be sinning if they spread the Gospel themselves?

Since: Jan 08

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#422830 Feb 15, 2013
Truth wrote:
Are we (Christians) suppose to be witnesses for Christ today???
NO!!!!
Why???
Because we NOW have the Word of God.....
We are disciples of Christ or followers of Christ...not witnesses....
Hank, this is pathetic that you would ever stoop to this level, it does show that you are not Saved, that you have no testimony(witness) for the Lord.

1 Peter 3:15,“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.”

that my friend is a [WITNESS] that a Chrsitian is to give to any man that asks him.

had enough of this drivel. later.even catholic ignorance didnt cause me to want to puke as much as reading this from you and saban
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422831 Feb 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Dan wrote:
Well, Christ was fully man and fully God.
He "created" the beliefs.
New Age wrote:
Sure - but no specific quote by Jesus to indicate this.
Why are you making up things you cannot substantiate?
You've been duped.
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While you seem to refuse to pay attention to even the simple questions, you are right on cue to try and play dumb with this.
Please stay focussed.
Please post the "quote by Jesus" that has himself calling himself "God".
You are better than this "Dan".
Here are a few:

John 8:24 -“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them,“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them,“I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them,“Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying,“For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him,“I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him,“Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say,'Show us the Father'?”
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422832 Feb 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Dan wrote:
Well, Christ was fully man and fully God.
He "created" the beliefs.
New Age wrote:
Sure - but no specific quote by Jesus to indicate this.
Why are you making up things you cannot substantiate?
You've been duped.
<quoted text>
While you seem to refuse to pay attention to even the simple questions, you are right on cue to try and play dumb with this.
Please stay focussed.
Please post the "quote by Jesus" that has himself calling himself "God".
You are better than this "Dan".
Please ask a direct question next time.

You could have been asking me for quotes to support "fully man", "fully God" and/or those that substantiated His having "created the beliefs".

Since: Jan 08

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#422833 Feb 15, 2013
one more thing, I might as well tell you so you wont be ignorant for very Long.

the Power that was spoken about is this.

TEH ANOINTING TO PREACH HIS WORD AS EVERY MINISTER CALLED BY GOD KNOWS.

IN OURSELVES WE CAN DO NOTHING(AND i AM GETTING BLESSED BY THE LORD)BUT WHEN THE ANOINTING COMES, PEOPLE CAN GET SAVED JUST AS THEY DID WHEN THE ANOINTING CAME OVER PETER THAT DAY.

AND I NEVE EXPECTED YOU TO KNOW THAT. YOUR CHURCH CANT GIVE THAT INFO TO YOU ONLY GOD DOES THAT.

AND YOU HAVE BEEN WITNESSED TO TODAY. YOUR SOUL LIES IN THE BALANCE.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422834 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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.....and you believe that when the last Apostle drew his last breath, that was that.
Everyone was left to fend for themselves, with no authority to turn to for instruction.
Right?
....bearing in mind nothing akin to the Bible had been committed to paper nor made available for a mass audience at this time.

Continue.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422835 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It looks like the Catholic Church.
It's visible and hierarchal, as in scripture, and they believed that Baptism was salvific and that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ.
They did this with a uniformity of belief without making reliance on their personal interpretation of Christ's teaching. They also did it in the absence of a Bible.
And they wore their costumes and spent their money on and listened to their tremendous pipe organs during worship in the castles they constructed to impress people.- No - it's NOT there.

Apostacy took place rendering it man's church. A denomination. Not Christ's church.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422836 Feb 15, 2013
Justice wrote:
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As I understand the RCC teaching no one knows another's salvation.
100% untrue.

Not only does the RCC tell us of some who are "surely" in Heaven (saints), the RCC has always taught that certain persons are excluded.

The excluded ones have changed throughout RCC history.

As Protestants or deists of the day, 99% of America's founders would have been officially excluded. Not so today.

Why does the RCC God keep changing His mind on such things?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422837 Feb 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Tell me where I would find the ordaining process.
"All Christians did not receive the commission of Christ"?????
So you think the following was to the Apostles only?
Matthew 28:16-20
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Would a normal member of the Catholic church be sinning if they spread the Gospel themselves?
The passage does tell us that the Apostles were Christ's audience, so yes, His commission was to the Apostles only.

No, it's not a sin for us to spread the Gospel, as I've said.

I do not possess ministerial authority, so I cannot instruct others on what I personally believe scripture to mean, but I can direct people to the Gospels all day and all night.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#422838 Feb 15, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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God created two cement tablets with 5 commandments on each. God said if anyone breaks any of these rules and does not repent, you will be sent to a fire pit called hell, where you will burn, and suffer, and scream! and be tortured, and agonize in terrible pain! for ever and ever...
but Jesus loves you!
Inspirational.

I will never boil a goat in it's mother's milk either --- even though that one was removed a few years ago.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422839 Feb 15, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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100% untrue.
Not only does the RCC tell us of some who are "surely" in Heaven (saints), the RCC has always taught that certain persons are excluded.
The excluded ones have changed throughout RCC history.
As Protestants or deists of the day, 99% of America's founders would have been officially excluded. Not so today.
Why does the RCC God keep changing His mind on such things?
Whom does the Church tell us is NOT in Heaven?
One or two names will suffice.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422840 Feb 15, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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100% untrue.
Not only does the RCC tell us of some who are "surely" in Heaven (saints), the RCC has always taught that certain persons are excluded.
The excluded ones have changed throughout RCC history.
As Protestants or deists of the day, 99% of America's founders would have been officially excluded. Not so today.
Why does the RCC God keep changing His mind on such things?
Perhaps you can simply point out which of America's founders have been relegated to the infernal regions by the Catholic Church?

That should narrow your search.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422841 Feb 15, 2013
Clay wrote:
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It looks like the Catholic Church- as described by all the Apostolic fathers.
I never even heard of you guys til a couple yrs ago. You say you were the ones from the beginning and I find that bizarre. Did you have Pope Clement or Linus? Did you have Ignatius of Antioch in your group? These men were members of the same Church the Apostles set up. The latter, Ignatius describes themselves as Catholic and his writings look Catholic.
I don't know what to tell you Saban, you guys seemed to have convinced yourselves of something... But I'm not sure what.
Romans 16:16b - All of the Catholic churches send greetings.?.?.?

How many Catholic churches were there? How many are there today? One? Many?

Oh wait, the actual quote is "all of the churches of Christ send greetings"

You WON'T see any significance here because you refuse to, yet it seems very significant to me that the one church that answers Bible questions with Bible answers and goes to great pains to make sure everything they do is in strict coordination with biblical teaching is in fact the church of Christ.

You're right we never had those pope's. We've been struggling for 1000's of years to find the word *pope* in the Holy scriptures and we've failed every time we've tried.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422842 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Here are a few:
All quotes of John, quoting Jesus - second hand sources are not viable.

Besides, I asked you to show me where Jesus, actually calls himself "God".

In none of these, I don't see it.
Dan wrote:
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John 8:24 -“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”
Jesus explaining that his death is to promote others to believe in his teachings.

Shoot - you refuse to believe in him and most of his teachings, and now you claim this?
Dan wrote:
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John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them,“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Again - John quoting, and nothing to show Jesus actually saying "I am God."

Strike two.
Dan wrote:
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John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them,“I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them,“Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying,“For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
Jesus and I are one....one in Spirit. You will notice, he states, "My Father" - designating he is not of the same level.

Again, nothing to show Jesus is calling himself "God". But showing us that he is a part of "God" and that we all can become this - through death, and the transcendence of the material world to the spiritual world.

Why can't you understand that we are all part of "God" and will return to him? In other words, "I and my Father are one" applies to us all - that was Jesus' message that you refuse to acknowledge and accept. Why?

Strike three.
Dan wrote:
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John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him,“I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
And still yet another quote by John, quoting Jesus, which doesn't have Jesus calling himself "God".

Why do you so-called "Christians" read more into the words than is necessary? Oh yeah - because other men told you what to believe.

DOH!!

Strike four....NEXT BATTER!!
Dan wrote:
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John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him,“Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say,'Show us the Father'?”
Jesus implying and still stating that he and the Father are of one substance.

Not Jesus calling himself "God".

Maybe you should just sit on the bench for a while, as we've gone over all of these before.

What else you got, since you want to play this silly game and let me continue to prove you wrong.

Why do you believe men and not Jesus?

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