Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422494 Feb 14, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
As I understand the RCC teaching no one knows another's salvation.
(lol) Eternal salvation was the theme in most pagan beliefs that came over 1,000 years before the Jesus story. Christianity ran with it and it worked for them.

Baptism, holy sacrificial meal, demons, virgin births, apostles, god/man, angels, all formed the beliefs from long ago that christianity stole and used themseleves.

don't believe me? Read and be enlightened about what came long before Jesus.

http://pocm.info/
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#422495 Feb 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
How can someone manage to post from Perth, Australia and Waverly, OH in the same day?
strange.
It is some kind of flaw in the Topix algorithm, or perhaps has to do with internet routing, which is complex.

For example, when I post from a McDonald's, it usually says I am in Texas, I think (Houston?), even though I have not left Oklahoma, and even when I am in northeastern Oklohoma, quite q ways from the atexas border.

I would not put much on location oddities on Topix.

arob
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#422496 Feb 14, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Baptism, holy sacrificial meal, demons, virgin births, apostles, god/man, angels, all formed the beliefs from long ago that christianity stole
I wouldnt believe everything you read on the internet. Some people make up lies deliberately to discredit other points of view. The borrowing is equally as likely to have been the other way around. No one can say for sure as the evidence isnt clear.
jesus licks hairy balls

Pittston, PA

#422497 Feb 14, 2013
the pope borrowed molesting boys from jesus blowing the 12 apostles.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#422498 Feb 14, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Yep you make it easy for the devil...
with your LATIN VERSION/translation OF THE BIBLE
What difference does the translation make?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422499 Feb 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan understand what he said.
I was replying to a post that directly inferred that the Pope talked to God as if He was in the room with the Pope all day long.
Of course, you removed all the context and made a silly response.
Sorry Dan that isn't what your post said , I will go back a few days and I will find it .
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422500 Feb 14, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
Lent is in the Bible
- 40 is the number of judgment and testing (Gn 7:4, Ex 24:18, 34:28, Nm 13:25, 14:33, Jon 3:4).
Christ spent 40 days fasting in the desert before entering into his public ministry (Mt 4:1-11). Plus instructing his disciples on fasting (Mt 6:16-18).
It is my understanding that 10 is a number for *completeness* and 4 is an earthly number.
With 3 being a number for deity (Ex. Holy, Holy, Holy or the trinity)
10 (completeness) x 3 (deity)= 1000
(see Rev. Chapter 20, I think, which basically points to Jesus' eternal Kingdom and also see Psalm 50:2)
3 (Holy)+ 4 (earthly)= 7 (perfect earthly number)
6? Well, its short of perfect.=failure.
3 (diety) 6's (short of perfect)= well, you get the point...

Also, for example, if a beast were described with 4 heads and 10 horns it would probably mean the beast was something with *complete**earthly power*.

Whatever the number 10 means, the bottom line:
There's BIG difference in a religious tradition and a Biblical commandment. I've already posted to scriptures that point that out with undeniable clarity (Col. 2:20-23 and Matt. 15: 1-20).

Ignore them if you choose.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422501 Feb 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan understand what he said.
I was replying to a post that directly inferred that the Pope talked to God as if He was in the room with the Pope all day long.
Of course, you removed all the context and made a silly response.
this is your post and my answer Dan.

Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
No one thinks the Pope speaks directly to God.
You're simply misinformed. xxxxx
xxxxxxx

Why doesn't he speak directly to God?? I do.

how can he be the leader of God's Church and not talk to God.
Do you people even understand the importance of talking to God; and having a personal relationship with Him.
This is so sad, Dan
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422502 Feb 14, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldnt believe everything you read on the internet. Some people make up lies deliberately to discredit other points of view. The borrowing is equally as likely to have been the other way around. No one can say for sure as the evidence isnt clear.


How does one know the writings in the bible are evidence of its time? Can you verify the 4 names associated with the 4 gospels are the actual people who wrote them? There are no originals just copies of copies of copies. Thats not good.

.......Centuries before Jesus, When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth.

When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth.


When ancient writers (long before Jesus) tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth.

..... When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth.

.....When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth.

......When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth.

..... When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth.

....When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.


..... When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we understand that as a myth.

......When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman,we understand that as a myth. >>


.... When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

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how come when Jesus is described as
....the Son of God,
...born of a mortal woman,
..according to prophecy,
..turning water into wine,
.. raising girls from the dead, and
.. healing blind men with his spittle,

Why is this the truth, when the same customs/traditions were practiced by man/god myths centuries before.

Not very much UNIQUE about christianity, from what people believed before.

INDOCTRINATION of family hand me down traditions is what has kept christianity going. Without being born into the faith to become just like mom and dad, christianity would have suffered the same fate as the mythical gods and their stories thousands of years before.






Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422503 Feb 14, 2013
Correction on that last post - I was trying to go from memory...

The correct verse in Psalm is 50:10 not 50:2

Basically 1000 is an indefinite number that represents all there is.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422504 Feb 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan understand what he said.
I was replying to a post that directly inferred that the Pope talked to God as if He was in the room with the Pope all day long.
Of course, you removed all the context and made a silly response.
I didn't remove any context Dan, the fact is when we pray to God He is with us in Spirit listening to every word we say.
Your flesh won't let you see from a spiritual perspective Dan.
If you did post , a {reply to a post that directly inferred that the Pope talked to God as if He was in the room with the Pope all day long.) I didn't see it.
So it would seem I own you an apology.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422505 Feb 14, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all I am not a Catholic. I merely was admiring the logic and arguments made in the above post.
The problem with protestant fundies is that they have very poor thinking skills. Protestants typically pick and choose what they believe through private interpretation. Any reasonable person can see the flaw with this. To give an example Martin Luther added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 to teach his private interpretation of scripture that you are saved by faith alone and not by works. Delusional protestant fundies have no problem with private interpretation, and this is why there is 42000 denominations. This makes no sense. You should really ask yourself why there are so many denominations, and why this is a good thing to be so divided?
All religious groups do the same thing,pick an choose it quite obvious if you study the truth behind every religion,people of religion do not do this,because they taught that it's not necessary to do so "we will teach you everything you need to know" is a religious cults favorite phrase,you call protestants fundies why? you think your religious cult is smarter? how can that be if all groups use the same scriptures? all there is is one set of scriptures and thanks to constantine and his band of 100 merry men that created the catholic religion took it upon itself to burn over 20+ books,they had no right to do that,IF we are suppose to be guided by one god for all the scriptures belong to all,not just one group,the catholic church has hidden away in their archives biblical books which they don't allow anyone to see outside of the church to see them,and that is wrong,they belong to the world,you can't make a rational decission when you don't have the whole truth in front of you,and that can never happen thanks to constantine and israel they did not take the scripts. seriously and tore some of them up and sold them to tourists as souveigniers,it was not until some professor who's name i can't remember took a good hard look at the scripts and declared them devine writtings by holy men starting with moses and continued on with other suspect writers,we really have no proof who the first writer really was or who the last one was,it's guess work,there is nothing to corroborate the truth of the one god theory,nothing exists,if you look you'll see the same stories written decades/centuries earlier than the scripts were,read the books written by gilgamesh,and the book of sumaria which was part of the bible then removed by the C.C. there you'll find a story written about a man named adamus,it's identical to the story of adam an eve,yet written way before the bible was,that is why it was removed from lets say for the sake of argument a list of books considered to be holy.is it really fact or fiction?? we'll never know unless jesus/god appears before us.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422506 Feb 14, 2013
Looks like my last post has disappeared...?

Anyway, if it did, I was making a correction to my previous post where i cited Psalm 50:2 and should've cited 50:10.

Helps provide clarity to the definition of 1000.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422507 Feb 14, 2013
O..K..

Now they're both there.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422508 Feb 14, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldnt believe everything you read on the internet. Some people make up lies deliberately to discredit other points of view. The borrowing is equally as likely to have been the other way around. No one can say for sure as the evidence isnt clear.
Many more christians are born into the faith than those that actually find the faith themselves.

Today christianity in the western world is at a crossroads. Protestantism is dying, and MOST roman catholics today just in the past 50 years have quit practicing the faith or left it altogether. Once they work through the system with their lack of religious indoctrination to their children, western world catholicism will within a few generations become much smaller in size and believers.

Right across america and western world more churches are closing then new ones opening. That is not a good sign.

Declining membership....

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/michigan...

....

......In Germany as a whole, more than 400 Roman Catholic churches and more than 100 Protestant churches have been closed since 2000, according to one estimate. Another 700 Roman Catholic churches are slated to be closed over the next several years.

.....By contrast, there are now more than 200 mosques (including more than 40 mega-mosques), 2,600 Muslim prayer halls and a countless number unofficial mosques in Germany. Another 128 mosques are currently under construction, according to the Zentralinstitut Islam-Archiv, a Muslim organization based in Germany.

.......In neighboring France, mosques are being built more often than Roman Catholic churches, and there now are more practicing Muslims in the country than practicing Catholics.

......Nearly 150 new mosques are currently under construction in France, home to the biggest Muslim community in Europe.

.....The total number of mosques in France has already doubled to more than 2,000 during just the past ten years, according to a research report, "Constructing Mosques: The Governance of Islam in France and the Netherlands." The rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, has called for the number of mosques in the country to be doubled again -- to 4,000 -- to meet growing demand.

......By contrast, the Roman Catholic Church in France has built only 20 new churches during the past decade, and has formally closed more than 60 churches, many of which are destined to become mosques, according to research conducted by La Croix, a Roman Catholic daily newspaper based in Paris

...times are a changing!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422509 Feb 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU read it!! TRUE, authenticated and verifiable Apostolic Church History by the Apologist Historian writers from (both Catholic and Protestant.---They overwhelmingly agree that Jesus Christ established ONE UNIVERSAL (Catholic) CHURCH beginning with the Church at Antioch. Paul letters to the Churches in Ephesis, Corinth, Galatia, Thessalonica, and on and on, confirm this, over and over agin. The fact is that your anti-catholic "hear-say" history books of legends are just plain "made up", distorted and in denial of the truth of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY....... Your, "imaginative" history myths belong in the library section of "fictitious Protestant stories"!
if it's verifiable as you claim, why don't you do so,show undeniable proof the catholic church is the true church of jesus/god,show me where he says this? what book is it written in? been waiting a long time for you to prove what you say is true,but you never follow through,if it's not written how can it be true?we are suppose to take the word of a man in charge of an tirantical religious group? a group that used torture,starvation,murder to get people to follow the churches false traditions? not likely,and the fact you never answer a question straight on makes me suspect,why don't you do that? you speak of the book of mathew quite often,i've read it,and it does not state anywhere that "MY CHURCH" means the catholic church. prove it.
preston

Waverly, OH

#422510 Feb 14, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
It is some kind of flaw in the Topix algorithm, or perhaps has to do with internet routing, which is complex.
For example, when I post from a McDonald's, it usually says I am in Texas, I think (Houston?), even though I have not left Oklahoma, and even when I am in northeastern Oklohoma, quite q ways from the atexas border.
I would not put much on location oddities on Topix.
arob
pay attention. saban is trying to say that truth, a catholic is me.

and anyone that has been on here for some time knows that she is a refugee from the muslim/serbian war against catholics

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422511 Feb 14, 2013
447
hojo wrote:
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Quite frankly---there is not one Catholic on this forum or any of the other 1.6 Billion Catholics around the world, "could care less" what you think..... The Church that Jesus Christ instituted was historically Proven to be "Universal (Catholic)" one in the same. Call it Universal if you want--it is still One Universal Catholic Apostolic Church.----"Who says" that the word Catholic has to be in the bible in order for it to be true. "Who says" that every word, every phrase, every sentence, must be in the bible in order in order for it to be true! Bible only Protestants, in their dillusional, distorted and twisted anti-catholic thinking are the only ones that say so.---Where is the (exact) word "bible" in the bible? Where are the words bible only??Where is the word Trinity? Where is the word Sola Scriptura? ANSWER: NOWHERE!!! Where does it say "in the bible" that God chose to transmit His infallible word ONLY in the bible! Answer again: NOWHERE!!----You bible only "fundies" just keep "making things up" to fit your anti-catholic animosity, vengeance and hatred--as you "go along"---desperately "hoping that something sticks" and that someone ANYONE will believe in your "hear-say" history book legends and myths. As an ex-Protestant for over 35 years, I know the "bible only game" of contradicting and inconsistent self-interpreting "of the bible" all too well. It is a game of "half-truth, half-heresy" Christianity where your "personal opinions" are the final authority. 42,000+ conflicting denominations of Protestant confusion and chaos, growing and growing in confusion--each and every day. YOU CAN HAVE IT!!!---IT IS ALL YOURS!!!
You are not facing the truth!!!! You have got to be a Catholic through and through!!!

I said not one word about "what I think"...I asked two questions...which you flat refuse to answer...because you know the answer will reveal the truth..

Oxbow wrote: 440
In Rev 2, Christ addresses the seven (7) churches.
Why did He not refer to any of them as "Church"....why did not He refer to any as the Roman Catholic Church???!!!!

Since: Feb 13

Fishers, IN

#422512 Feb 14, 2013
As a person who was raised in a very traditional Catholic family, I am not in the least surprised that the Pope thinks the RCC is the only true church.

In fact, the papal bull Unam Sanctam states at the end: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff".

Personally, I think it's an utterly silly idea.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422513 Feb 14, 2013
462
confrinting with the word wrote:
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The First gentiles that were born again is the Household of Cornelius
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the -->Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days
___
UNTIL the Household of Cornelius WAS SAVED...THE GENTILES WERE CONSIDERED DOGS...
READ ABOUT IT...
Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
Not even close...

440

There is no cure for stupid....

Christ was a Jew...He taught in their synagogues...

What can be more asinine than to think He built a church only for Gentiles (non Jewish) and not for Jewish people!!!!

Think about it....how many Jews attend a Catholic church service!!!!!

FYI: There is no issue with Jews attending Catholic funerals from the perspective of the Catholic Church. However, most Jews will not enter a church due to Jewish law prohibiting participating in religious services of another religion.

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