Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Full story: CBC News 545,061
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
preston

Waverly, OH

#422332 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
If it was good enough for Jesus to do it, I'm convinced. Did a man baptize him?
lol, Jesus didnt need to be Baptsied, He did that so John would know that the Messiah had really come. hhe thought so but that Baptism showed him 4 sure.

that Baptism shows everyone(well except cults) that Baptism doesnt save, Jesus wasnt lost.lol

you come on here after studying false thelogy and think that you can teach people on here. I have forgot more Bible than you will ever know.

any person should have done some research before proclaiming that [gopher wood] was a cypress tree which is not native to that region of the world.lol
preston

Waverly, OH

#422333 Feb 13, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Gopher wood could have been cypress wood.....
Cypress trees grow right in water in swamps....
The main thing is Noah did as he was commanded by God....
One door to the ark....
One door to the church.....
lol, when the Jewish people began to resettle the land they found ONE AREA that was swampy land, and to combat that area, they brought in eucalyptas trees, jsut as they introduced the cypress trees to keep the soil fom blowing away in trees that they had planted.

learn some knowledge of the Land before you proclaim untruths.

The Eucalyptus tree flowers April through October. It is found all over Israel. The Eucalyptus is an Australian tree. It was brought to Israel at the end of the nineteen century to dry the swamps because it grows so quickly.
Cypress brosh &#1489;&#1512;&#14 93;&#1513;
The Cypress tree flowers March through May. It is found all across Israel. The Cypress was brought by the Jewish National Fund at the end of the nineteen century. It was planted to break the wind around many orchards.and it grows primarily in dry land, not swamps
http://www.hebrewpodcasts.com/treesofisrael.h...
preston

Waverly, OH

#422334 Feb 13, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
and you want us to believe you follow Christ.
Let me show the folks your post on a Michelle Obama Forum and they can decide.
Fedup said: Michelle will have power and reign over the dumb azz people on this forum.
**I have many more upon requests. Like I've always said, you're a fraud Fedup.
looks like jac was fooled by fed up. it behooves us to find out who belongs to the Lord and who doesnt.
clay just said that saban is a christian because he decided to get baptised by his uncle I think he said.what clay doesnt know about this cult that saban belongs to is that they are really pushed into getting baptised, and they dont get baptised because they got saved at their church.
their cult doesnt believe in getting blessed by the lord and shouting his Praises. once along time ago, i went to [round town] to a meeting and on the other side of the tabernacle, i heard a woman hollering and shouting, and I told a friend of mine that I would be right back, that I wanted to go find my sister.since I knew it was her and it was. thousands of people there and she wasnt afraid to Praise her Savior, but if saban would do that at his church, those elders would set on him big time.lol
fedupwiththemess

Ashburn, VA

#422335 Feb 13, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
and you want us to believe you follow Christ.
Let me show the folks your post on a Michelle Obama Forum and they can decide.
Fedup said: Michelle will have power and reign over the dumb azz people on this forum.
**I have many more upon requests. Like I've always said, you're a fraud Fedup.
Your mammy is a fraud...jackazz. What I said is true and I believe in the teachings of JESUS CHRIST. Never said I was perfect.
fedupwiththemess

Ashburn, VA

#422336 Feb 13, 2013
No it is not. It is not even mentioned in the bible.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422337 Feb 13, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
What a straw man Clay show you where they say the exact words you dream up in the moment.
2 Timothy clearly says scripture is sufficient and doess so with synonymous words.
Just like the doctrine of the Trinity, So by your retarded logic above we must believe you don't believe in the Trinity as no where in the Bible does any Apostle say God is a Trinity 3 persons one God.
You are posting like a 3 year old, If you continue your retarded illogical posts I will post through and not to you anymore. I hope you smarter than this last post.
Face it. You lost. You've failed to convince me or anyone that sola scripture is what Christ and His Apostles taught. All you shown is that you're able to manipulate the verses.

Don't get mad at me because you're embarrassed by trying to be an intellectual expert on Christianity. You came across as smug, and now you look stupid.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422338 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered that question already. I'm not familiar with Paul contradicting Jesus in any way. You might be able to enlighten me. I believe Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit in his writing so I don't think there would be any contradiction between him and Christ.
What does it matter? What's your punch line?
No you didn't. You adverted the question altogether.

Again - I haven't said "Paul" contradicted Jesus, I asked, "why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?", considering the Bible is littered with his letters, but very few of the teachings by Jesus.

That is the question I initially asked. You are the one who diverted with implying that "Paul" and Jesus haven't any contradictions.

Please stay focussed.
preston

Waverly, OH

#422339 Feb 13, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
James the Less was the first bishop of Jerusalem, he died in the yr. 66. He was an apostle and cousin to Jesus. This is written in the catholic bible. so in your mind this is Jesus' 1/2 brother?
IF(and he isnt) James(not the less either)the JUST is a cousin of jesus, is he the brother of John the Baptist?and if he is a cousin, why is he always running around with mary?and with those others that the bible says are siblings of Jesus?

so tqaking all of that into account. YES I CAN SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THIS JAMES THE JUST IS THE HALF BROTHER OF JESUS.

and to help you out(free of charge of course)LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL 12 DISCIPLES AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE TWO JAMES. ONE IS THE BROTHER OF JOHN AND NOW THIS SHOULD HELP YOU OUT. THE OTHER JAMES IS [JAMES THE LESS] SINCE HE WAS NOT AS WELL KNOWN AND THE BROTHER OF JOHN.

three james.

james the brother of john

james[the less] the other , not as well known.

james the just, the brother of our lord, as Paul also confirms what the Gospel writers claim.tho of course, your catholic bible written by jerome, knows much better than those who walked with jesus and who knew the siblings of Jesus intimately.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422340 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
As respectfully as possible, I simply cannot follow where you are going. You don't make sense to me.
Then ask questions. What is it that you don't understand?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422341 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
As respectfully as possible, I simply cannot follow where you are going. You don't make sense to me.
Also - if I don't make sense to you, it is because you are probably so wrapped up in what men have given you to believe, you probably never researched Christianity before accepting what those men gave you to believe.

If you had done the research, you wouldn't be wondering what I am talking about.

You did research the religion before joining, right?

Or more aptly, you were probably indoctrinated with it through your childhood, and told to never question, huh?

You've been duped.
preston

Waverly, OH

#422342 Feb 13, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
232
<quoted text>
The Christian religions know the OT was translated from the Hebrew language...
Strong's Lexicon and the English dictionary says no one knows for sure if it was cypress..
Get help before you hurt yourself!!!!
I will take Jewish knowledge over that of Strongs. you are welcome to believe which ever you prefer.

as for me, the jewish people would know more about their religion and their land ,than you, me or strongs.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422343 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
As I'm sure you're aware (but probably convinced yourself otherwise) that Pauls letter to Timothy was telling him that scripture is profitable for teaching...
The scripture Paul was referring to would be the Hebrew Books the Apostles considered scripture. It would not have been his letter Timothy was reading. Nor would it have been future letters or Johns Revelation - which came at a later date.
Even so, Paul did NOT say scripture is the ONLY thing. You guys said this 1600 yrs later.
In fact Paul says the exact opposite in his letter to the Thessalonians "Hold steadfast to your traditions, taught to you by word of mouth AND letter" 2Thess 2:15
Any mention of scripture in the New Testament by the Apostles is always referring to the OT.
Does 1 Cor. 15 make your last sentence false? Does this scripture stand with your or against you?

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422344 Feb 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
King James Bible (
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
The enemies of Christ would be thought desirous to know their duty, when really they hoped that which soever side he took of the question, they might find occasion to accuse him. Nothing is more likely to insnare the followers of Christ, than bringing them to meddle with disputes about worldly politics. Jesus avoided the snare, by referring to the submission they had already made as a nation; and all that heard him, marvelled at the great wisdom of his answer. Many will praise the words of a sermon, who will not be commanded by the doctrines of it.
Just out of curiosity LTM - do you know what this passage means? If so, please post your explanation.

"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."

Thanks for responding.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422345 Feb 13, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>
John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Hi 7th Day - your point is?

The discussion is about "Paul", not "John".

Please try to stay focussed.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422346 Feb 13, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>
John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Do you find it odd that you only accept a portion of what Jesus taught?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422347 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah those guys are really 'out there.'
Far out there.
Say, I just remembered conversing with a member of your church last year. He was on Topix (a different thread) all the time and then disappeared. Prior to him leaving, we combed over every inch of Catholicism. It was cool and respectful. I always wondered if he converted to the Catholic Church. Seriously.
Anyway, you alluded to something I remember him talking about. And that's playing music in Church. I find this rather puzzling. How is it we are not allowed to use our talents to create beautiful music for God and use during worship?
Just curious.
Pssst....Clay, I'm just one guy.

And no, I am not far out there, but you do find it difficult that I believe in all of what Jesus taught, whereas, you don't.

IMO - you are not "far out there", but "lacking the understanding of what Jesus taught".

Why don't you believe Jesus?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#422348 Feb 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You read the bible but you don't know it. HOJO , satan knows the bible word for word. He has blinded you from the truth.
Or else you would not be in the catholic church , you are believing a pagan doctrine, an ancient religion .
Jesus has drawn a line in the sand alos and it starts at the cross, and the temple was torn in two from top to bottom,
WRONG as usual LTM which is no surprise to ANY of us Catholics who know the TRUTH of the Bible and Apostolic Church History. Jesus first"drew a line in the sand" in Matt 16:13-21 when IN HIS OWN STATED WORDS, He established, formed and initiated His One True Apostolic Catholic Church, it ended at the Cross and began again with the Resurrection. Your distorted and bogus Protestant "personal opinionated (half-truth, half-heresy) Christianity, has never, nor WILL EVER, change the TRUTH that has existed for over 2000 years. This constant bible only (merry-go-round) of Protestant "made up" hear-say bible history of myths and legends has been around since the Reformation, all of which have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS of biblical or historical truth to back up ANYTHING that it teaches.....42,000+ Protestant denominations that are ALL Contradicting,inconsistent,and conflicting with each other,--- ALL spinning "around in circles" in a "hodge-podge" of confusion, chaos and deceit!! Go argue and debate with your other 42,000 "mish-mash" of self-interpreting bible verse "cherry pickers" of the scriptures. For us Catholics, there is NOTHING to dicuss, NOTHING to argue about and NOTHING to debate! Historical and biblically PROOF has been confirmed over and over again for over 2000 years, that Jesus Christ DID IN FACT established His One True Universal-Catholic Church. Heretics, hypocrits, bigots, liars and deceiving preachers and ministers have "CONE AND GONE" for over 2000 years------YET----the Church (HAS) in the past, IS NOW in the present and WILL CONTINUE, in the future to LIVE ON!!!--because Jesus said it would!!!
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422349 Feb 13, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
None of the books not written where from Paul, and yet the all Early Church Father's who knew the Apostles consider them Scripture we know this from their writings.
What writings of Paul were Lost, curricular reasoning on your part as if you knew they would not be lost.
What writings of Paul did not make the cut? Your listseems well not existent.
Peter Clearly, with out doubt equates All Paul's letters as Scripture.
The question if you were on the ball and knew your stuff would have been HOW do I know 2 Peter is scripture do I have do everything for you? if so I will wind up debating myself. Come on you need to take it up a level if you want to play with the big boys
Cor 4 :16 "and when this letter is read before you, have it also read in the Church in Laodiceans. And you yourself read the one from Laodicea"

Pssst my bible doesn't have Paul's letter to the Laodiceans. Does yours?

You're a joke.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422350 Feb 13, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, I will get to that. howev er I will tell you this. I dont like acoward hat when proven he is wrong, then diverts like you ahve done twice now. first you intorduced "strange fire" when there was no talk about that. now when i showed you that the [gopher wood] was not a cypress, you switch again.
so now Acts does NOT AGREE WITH YOUR FALSE THEOLOGY. Peter told them to repent,a word that you keep forgetting for some reason.lol
so what does the bible say, He preached to them, and they accepted the word of God(not Peters)and belIEved it(that saved them) and THEN THEY WERE BAPTISED."FOR IT IS WRITTEN, HOW SHALL THEY BE SAVED EXCEPT THEY HEAR AND HOW SHALL THEY HEAR, EXCEPT IT BE PREACHED".
they were Saved before they got Baptised by water.lol
UNLIKE WHAT YOUR FALSE TEACHERS HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT THESE VERSES,
now you know the rest of the story.
dont be like a liar and try to deceive and deflect. it shows a cowardiced like approach to the Biblical truths.
Sure they had to repent, but if they were save when they repented why does the verse read:

38 Peter replied,ôRepent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Could they have been added to their number without baptism?

Weren't you the person I asked to find me an example of a conversion just like yours in scripture? If it wasn't you, still, can you do it? Should be easy, shouldn't it!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#422351 Feb 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>

Why don't you believe Jesus?
We, as Catholics do believe Jesus--but "more important" we believe (What HE Said)--in Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One (AND ONLY) True (Universal-Catholic) Church and in John 6:47-59 regarding His TRUE BODY AND TRUE BLOOD --"in the Eucharist"---The bigger question for you New Age-- Why don't you believe the (spoken, stated and expressed words) of Jesus --in the Gospels?????????

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Pope Benedict XVI Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's... (Apr '08) 1 hr Lorenzo 8,323
Pope's visit will change Philippines, Cardinal ... 6 hr TheRealOzzy 14
Allah is great.... (Jul '13) 9 hr Delilahblue 171
Catholic Church the only body 'effectively acti... 11 hr Nulli Secundus 1
Vatican exorcism conference warns the Devil is ... Mon Sherlayne 21
Catholics react to pope remarks on gays, abortion (Sep '13) Mon Gapin Garrika 12
Philippines and Vatican release Pope Francis po... (Mar '14) Sep 26 KidlatNgayon 88

Pope Benedict XVI People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE