Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Since: Nov 08

usa

#422311 Feb 13, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
Seems the non-believers here, believe only what the tune is that they dance to. They seem to believe in only what they pick and choose to believe and not the Holy Spirit.
All those made up churches with their pastors seem to have no leadership of their church. They just preach and preach what they want to preach and what they seem to believe in at the time.
Can not believe people actually follow these people. Yet call a well established and well studied religion hog wash.???
Trust in God.
made up churches? you are including the catholic church as well as the others right? if not,that would be unfair,the c.c. is a man made up church (pagan/christian) just like the rest,they were just the first,pagan rome worshiped the sun as a god, guess on what date? tick tick tick tick tick tick tick,times up,the exact same day jesus was born according to the early church fathers,coincedence or what? every date used by the c.c. just happens to coincide with paganism,the odds of that happening are so high it's astronomical,beyond belief,it would make the odds of hitting the lottery seem like a 2 to 1 bet. i would call "hog wash" accurate.
Saban fan

United States

#422312 Feb 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why doesn't he speak directly to God?? I do.
how can he be the leader of God's Church and not talk to God.
Do you people even understand the importance of talking to God; and having a personal relationship with Him.
This is so sad, Dan
You caught ol' Dan with his boot in mouth.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422313 Feb 13, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
further to above clay
Acts 17:11 (NASB95)
11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
1 Corinthians 4:6 (NASB95)
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.
So we must ask the RCC why?
Matthew 15:3 (NASB95)
3 And He answered and said to them,“Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
BTW
Just so you know How I know Paul's writings are scripture and thus over 2/3 of the NT with out needing a false RCC
2Pe 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
2Pe 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
An apostle of God Peter no less recognizes Paul's writings as scripture
You've yet so show me where the Apostles say scripture is the ONLY thing. You got that? The only thing...not profitable; not good for teachings.. The Catholic Church couldn't agree more that scripture is profitable and good for teaching.

You're an Ideologue. A conspiracy Christian. Your opinion on what the Apostles taught mean nothing because you're not an authority on the teachings. They already revealed the faith to the Church a long long time ago. You and your team are way to late to come along and say "wait, they meant this they meant that...or everyone misunderstood for 1800 yrs.
truth

Perth, Australia

#422314 Feb 13, 2013
evil upon evil upon evil liars upon liars
nothing to do with real Creator.
not at all
truth

Perth, Australia

#422315 Feb 13, 2013
your law is not my law
Scribe Pharisee this and that evil upon evil liars upon liars
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422316 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
What the Bible says about the Catholic Church
http://apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/...
interesting site in the introduction alone i found this:Today many people, without knowing or considering
the past, raise the flag of Catholicism and defend it “to
the hilt.” Others answer inquiries about their Catholic
faith by saying that it is the religion of their parents, in
which they were born, and it is the one in which they will
stay until death. But they overlook the important fact
that this religion was forced upon their ancestors..........this is very truthful and accurate, it can be corroborated.
Saban fan

United States

#422317 Feb 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
"Does the Bible record the death of the apostles? How did each of the apostles die?"
Answer: The only apostle whose death the Bible records is James (Acts 12:2). King Herod had James “put to death with the sword,” likely a reference to beheading. The circumstances of the deaths of the other apostles are related through church tradition, so we should not put too much weight on any of the other accounts. The most commonly accepted church tradition in regard to the death of an apostle is that the apostle Peter was crucified upside-down on an x-shaped cross in Rome in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy (John 21:18). The following are the most popular “traditions” concerning the deaths of the other apostles:
Matthew suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia, killed by a sword wound. John faced martyrdom when he was boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote his prophetic book of Revelation on Patmos. The apostle John was later freed and returned to what is now modern-day Turkey. He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.
James, the brother of Jesus (not officially an apostle), was the leader of the church in Jerusalem. He was thrown from the southeast pinnacle of the temple (over a hundred feet down) when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a club. This is thought to be the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the temptation.
Bartholomew, also known as Nathanael, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed in present-day Turkey and was martyred for his preaching in Armenia, being flayed to death by a whip. Andrew was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Greece. After being whipped severely by seven soldiers, they tied his body to the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these words:“I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.” He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he died. The apostle Thomas was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church there. Matthias, the apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero in Rome in A.D. 67. There are traditions regarding the other apostles as well, but none with any reliable historical or traditional support.
It is not so important how the apostles died. What is important is the fact that they were all willing to die for their faith. If Jesus had not been resurrected, the disciples would have known it. People will not die for something they know to be a lie. The fact that all of the apostles were willing to die horrible deaths, refusing to renounce their faith in Christ, is tremendous evidence that they had truly witnessed the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
from gotquestions.org
That is what convinced me to become a Christian. Look at Peter's example before Christ's resurrection and his example afterwards. They denied him and fled from him and were frightened before Christ's death but afterwards they had NO FEAR! They saw something AMAZING - Jesus resurrected! And, if Jesus rose from the dead and has no grave He is who He says He is - the Son of God..........

We would be discussing him had he not risen from the grave and completely convinced those men.

Good stuff! I wish the 'Prove there is a God' thread could get it.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422318 Feb 13, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
further to above clay
An apostle of God Peter no less recognizes Paul's writings as scripture
No he does not. He calls Pauls writings 'letters' a couple times, then -with a little word play - you weakly could make the argument he implies 'scripture' when he says 'other scripture'.

If you say Peter thought Pauls writings were scripture, I would ask you what you thought about Pauls other letters that did not make the Biblical cut or were lost? If Paul automatically wrote scripture simply by writing, then the Bible is incomplete because we do not have the other 'scriptural' writings from Paul.

Also, at the time of this letter, there were a number of books not yet written (Jude, Hebrews, John 1,2, and 3, Revelation and Matthew)

Pretty though to be a sola scripturalist when you ain't got all the scripture??

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422319 Feb 13, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
YES--One Heavenly Father with Jesus Christ (His Son) as His (temporary) Earthly Representative (until His ascention) and appointing Peter as His earthly Representative to lead HIS Church until He (Jesus returns for the second time)
YES---and He gave us HIS "One True Church" in Matthew 16:13-21, the same Church that is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament:-----NOT 42,000 CONTRADICTING PROTESTANT (HODGE-PODGE OF PERSONAL OPINIONS The same One True Church which began at Antioch:(Acts 2) The same Church that that Paul refers to in His letters to the Churches in Ephesis, Corinth, Thessalonica, Colosses, Philippi, Galatia and on and on! NOT 42,000 INCONSISTENT PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS OF RELATIVE TRUTH----The same One True Church that has Bishops, priests, deacons and elders (Acts 2 -again): The same One True Church that is authoritative, visible and heirarchical (Acts 2) NOT 42,000 CONFLICTING SELF INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE
YES---and He gave us His One TRUE Body and Blood in the Eucharist (John 6:47-59)---"the spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF":------NOT WORDS FROM SOME "SELF APPOINTED HERETICAL PREACHER" WHO MIS=QUOTES, MIS-INTERPRETS AND MIS-USES the TRUE INTERPRETAION of Gods Word to "appease and satisfy his vengeance and hostility" against Jesus Christ HIMSELF and His (historically and biblically PROVEN One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church. God "never has" nor "ever will be" the author of your bible only Protestant "confusion, chaos and heresy"!!
HOJO:One True Church which began at Antioch..JETHRO:read the history of the church of antioch and you'll find it "WAS" a christian church until rome invaded and handed the church over to their man made church the C.C., the church of antioch is a prisoner of the catholic church just like the people that were forced into following the church or be crucified.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#422320 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
As I'm sure you're aware (but probably convinced yourself otherwise) that Pauls letter to Timothy was telling him that scripture is profitable for teaching...
The scripture Paul was referring to would be the Hebrew Books the Apostles considered scripture. It would not have been his letter Timothy was reading. Nor would it have been future letters or Johns Revelation - which came at a later date.
Even so, Paul did NOT say scripture is the ONLY thing. You guys said this 1600 yrs later.
In fact Paul says the exact opposite in his letter to the Thessalonians "Hold steadfast to your traditions, taught to you by word of mouth AND letter" 2Thess 2:15
Any mention of scripture in the New Testament by the Apostles is always referring to the OT.
I was hoping you would post 2Thess as the traditions he speaks of are the use of scripture.In the Greek the word is equal to teachings. Paul's letters are scripture as soon as they were penned as I posted in 2 Peter

2Pe 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Peter declares clearly equates all Paul's writings as scripture thus you are clearly wrong on both counts. Clearly Peter believes Paul's letter to Timothy is Scripture and so should you.

The Bible is for tradition where it supports the teachings of the apostles (2 Thess. 2:15) and is consistent with biblical revelation. Yet, it is against tradition when it "transgresses the commands of God" (Matt. 15:3). By Jesus' own words, tradition is not to transgress or contradict the commands of God. In other words, it should be in harmony with biblical teaching and not oppose it in any way.

The Bible clearly tells us that it is the standard of truth. We are not to exceed what the Scriptures say. "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other," (1 Cor. 4:6).

For further enlightenment Clay goto Is the Bible Alone Sufficient for Spiritual Truth? http://carm.org/bible-alone-sufficient-spirit...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#422321 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No he does not. He calls Pauls writings 'letters' a couple times, then -with a little word play - you weakly could make the argument he implies 'scripture' when he says 'other scripture'.
If you say Peter thought Pauls writings were scripture, I would ask you what you thought about Pauls other letters that did not make the Biblical cut or were lost? If Paul automatically wrote scripture simply by writing, then the Bible is incomplete because we do not have the other 'scriptural' writings from Paul.
Also, at the time of this letter, there were a number of books not yet written (Jude, Hebrews, John 1,2, and 3, Revelation and Matthew)
Pretty though to be a sola scripturalist when you ain't got all the scripture??
None of the books not written where from Paul, and yet the all Early Church Father's who knew the Apostles consider them Scripture we know this from their writings.

What writings of Paul were Lost, curricular reasoning on your part as if you knew they would not be lost.
What writings of Paul did not make the cut? Your listseems well not existent.

Peter Clearly, with out doubt equates All Paul's letters as Scripture.

The question if you were on the ball and knew your stuff would have been HOW do I know 2 Peter is scripture do I have do everything for you? if so I will wind up debating myself. Come on you need to take it up a level if you want to play with the big boys
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#422322 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You've yet so show me where the Apostles say scripture is the ONLY thing. You got that? The only thing...not profitable; not good for teachings.. The Catholic Church couldn't agree more that scripture is profitable and good for teaching.
You're an Ideologue. A conspiracy Christian. Your opinion on what the Apostles taught mean nothing because you're not an authority on the teachings. They already revealed the faith to the Church a long long time ago. You and your team are way to late to come along and say "wait, they meant this they meant that...or everyone misunderstood for 1800 yrs.
What a straw man Clay show you where they say the exact words you dream up in the moment.

2 Timothy clearly says scripture is sufficient and doess so with synonymous words.

Just like the doctrine of the Trinity, So by your retarded logic above we must believe you don't believe in the Trinity as no where in the Bible does any Apostle say God is a Trinity 3 persons one God.

You are posting like a 3 year old, If you continue your retarded illogical posts I will post through and not to you anymore. I hope you smarter than this last post.
preston

Waverly, OH

#422323 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Was Jesus baptized in water?
3000 received the Holy Ghost at baptism between Acts 2:38-41.
yeah, I will get to that. howev er I will tell you this. I dont like acoward hat when proven he is wrong, then diverts like you ahve done twice now. first you intorduced "strange fire" when there was no talk about that. now when i showed you that the [gopher wood] was not a cypress, you switch again.
so now Acts does NOT AGREE WITH YOUR FALSE THEOLOGY. Peter told them to repent,a word that you keep forgetting for some reason.lol
so what does the bible say, He preached to them, and they accepted the word of God(not Peters)and belIEved it(that saved them) and THEN THEY WERE BAPTISED."FOR IT IS WRITTEN, HOW SHALL THEY BE SAVED EXCEPT THEY HEAR AND HOW SHALL THEY HEAR, EXCEPT IT BE PREACHED".
they were Saved before they got Baptised by water.lol
UNLIKE WHAT YOUR FALSE TEACHERS HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT THESE VERSES,
now you know the rest of the story.
dont be like a liar and try to deceive and deflect. it shows a cowardiced like approach to the Biblical truths.
truth

Perth, Australia

#422324 Feb 13, 2013
since earth foundation they don't liked real Creator not at all
evil upon evil liars upon liars

liar from beginning
scripture recorded that too
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422325 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You caught ol' Dan with his boot in mouth.
I don't think Dan understands what he said.
According to the catholic church, the Pope is suppose to be the Vicar of Christ yet does not talk to God.
I thought the Holy Spirit lead the catholic church.

I guess he is busy talking to the dead ; you know Mary etc.
preston

Waverly, OH

#422326 Feb 13, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know, Marge, if this person is saved or not???
Were you there to experience it with him???
it is easy to discern.

IF A PERSON HAS NO TESTIMONY AS TO WHEN GOD SAVED HIM, THEN GOD DIDNT.

IF A PERSON SAYS THAT THEY GOT SAVED WHEN THEY WERE BAPTISED WHEN THEY WERE THREE MONTHS OLD, WE KNOW THEY WERENT.

IF A PERSON SAYS THEY GOT SAVED WHEN THEY WERE BAPTISED AS AN ADULT, WE KNOW THEY ARE LYING(EVEN IF THEY DO BELEIVE IT), SINCE WATER BAPTISM ALONE DOESNT SAVE ANYONE.
AS IT IS WRITTEN, WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS.SINS ARE ONLY WASHED AWAY BY HIS BLOOD NOT SOME RIVER WATER, NOR SOME CHLORINE FILLED WATER TUB.THAT CHLORINE WILL KILL LOTS OF DIFFERENT BACTERIA, BUT IT DOESNT KILL THE STENCH OF SIN.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422327 Feb 13, 2013
232 192
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
A minister of the Good-News Gospel of Jesus Christ should all Born-Again beleivers from Above have in them. Yes?
One should know how their Saved, Yes?
What you are saying is as close to sacrilegious as it gets...you are saying this is a lie!!!! Quote: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

You, evidently, are comfortable with that...hang in there....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422328 Feb 13, 2013
232
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>wonder who would know the jews or you.
The Jewish Encyclopedia believes it was most likely a translation of the Babylonian "gushure i÷ erini" (cedar-beams), or the Assyrian "giparu" (reed).[3] The Aramaic Targum Onkelos, considered by many Jews to be an official translation of the Hebrew scripture renders this word as &#1511;&#1491;&#15 12;&#1493;&#1505; (qadros) i.e., cedar[SEE THIS}.
The Syriac Peshitta translates this word as &#1829;&#1834;&#18 33;&#1808; (‘arqa), box wood.[4]
The Christian religions know the OT was translated from the Hebrew language...

Strong's Lexicon and the English dictionary says no one knows for sure if it was cypress..

Get help before you hurt yourself!!!!
preston

Waverly, OH

#422329 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
So then i would presume your experience was what the Apostles experienced in Acts 2:2-4? The mighty rushing wind, tongues like as of fire sitting upon you and the immediate ability to speak in languages you've never learned?
I'd like to hear more about that, except if you did claim your conversion experience was like this it would make Paul to be a liar when in Eph. 4:5 be specifically says there is only "one baptism". The Apostles' experience was unique to them at that time.
Which conversions in the Bible we're similar to yours?
Me? Well, there's Lydia, the Jailer, the Eunuch, Saul, The folks at Samaria (acts 8:5-13) and so on..
i GAVE YOU MY EXPEREINCE AS TO HOW i WAS FILLED WITH THE hOLY gHOST.

SO AGAIN, READ ABOUT IT IN JOHN 7;VERSE 37-39.AND THAT OCCURRED 9 MONTHS AND 1 DAY BEFORE I WAS BAPTISED IN WATER.

and I agree there is 1 baptism from God and that is the Holy Ghost experience.

and there is 1 baptism that is given by man.

you just dont know the difference, you are like the men from ephesus.
you received johns baptism, but still dont have God's baptism.

as hank as said twice, THINK SPIRITUAL, not carnal.lol

AND YES, I have heard that rushing mighty wind.ONCE

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#422330 Feb 13, 2013
241
atemcowboy wrote:
The Cypress tree flowers March through May. It is found all across Israel. The Cypress was brought by the Jewish National Fund at the end of the nineteen century. It was planted to break the wind around many orchards.
http://www.hebrewpodcasts.com/treesofisrael.h...
my question to ox would be this.
is the 19th century before the time of Noah?lol
Proof positive that you don't have an ounce of brain in your head..."my question to ox would be this.is the 19th century before the time of Noah?lol"

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