Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422281 Feb 13, 2013
marge wrote:
It really irks me that the people that water-baptized you people didn't show you the Way to Jesus.
Do you still want to talk about works?
I was baptized with the Holy Spirit 2 months before water baptism Marge.
That doesn't mean a person can't recieve the Baptism in the Holy Spirit after water baptism, or at the time of water baptism.
Being born again, recieving Christ as Lord and Savior , the Holy Spirit leads us to the truth, that is the "IN FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT"
I asked Christ into my heart twice, the first time I believe I wanted it , but it was all head knowledge there was no change in my life.
The second time was in Sept 1984 , I was baptized in the Holy Spirit to say I was electrified is putting it mildly.

Two months later I was baptized in water. I back slid once MArge, and it was torture to say the least, when I repented and re-dedicated my life to God I felt like I had left a battle zone I was shell shocked.

God is a loving forgiving Father, I believed in God from the time I was 3, but didn't know Him.
Every day I learn something new about Him, if someone needs to be lifted up , Just sit back close your eyes and start lifting up the name of Jesus , wow the Power in the name of Jesus .
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.


Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.


Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.


Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Love you dear little sister,
Stephen

Roodepoort, South Africa

#422282 Feb 13, 2013
I wholeheartedly agree to the response to this initial statement. Catholic need to learn the Faith or risk losing their souls too.
Troy wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you said that the Pope's statement is making you 'seriously consider leaving the church', just reinforces why it does matter whether people are Catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. Spiritual relativsm is not new, you and those like you, who believe that the truth of what the Church teaches is somehow subject to whether you agree with it or not are exactly why the Pope is saying what he is saying. He's not saying something new, it's what the Church has ALWAYS taught! Your comments are just proving the points that the Pope made in the homily he gave at conclave before his election: http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Art...
You would do well to read this and anyone else who may be guilty of "being tossed to and fro by every wave of doctrine"... Eph. 4:14
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422283 Feb 13, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
*IMPOSSIBILITIES IN OUR WORLD :
*
*1. YOU can't count your hair
2. YOU can't wash your eyes with soap
3. YOU can't breathe when your tongue is out
Put your tongue back in, dummy...I really didn't think*
*you'd fall for it...
9. Things I know about you...
1) YOU are reading this
2) YOU are human.
3) YOU can't say the letter ''P'' without separating your lips
4) YOU just attempted to do it
6) YOU are laughing inwardly at yourself
7) YOU have a smile on your face and you skipped No.5
8) YOU just checked to see if there is a No.5
9) YOU laugh at this because you are an idiot & everyone does it too.
LOL that is funny , I tried to breath with my tongue out . HA HA I can't believe I did that .
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#422284 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Even under the criteria set forth by the born again movement, Saban would be covered, because in his heart he chose to be baptized. He chose Christ by going to the Baptismal fountain. The initial act of choosing Jesus Christ; or choosing to be baptized came before the water was poured...it couldn't be any other way unless his uncle tackled him and forced water upon him.
His heart sought and accepted Christ when he initially decided to be baptized.
Catholics are different, our parents bring us to Jesus. And their faith and commitment initiates us into Christianity like the Jews at circumcision. Are we automatically saved at 3 months? Of course not. Nobody is automatically saved as long as you have free will. You can lose your salvation anytime you want.
Correct except in the case of converts, who undergo insruction, and then are asked if they wish to be baptized in the faith the have professed.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422285 Feb 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote
When God instructed Noah to build the Ark with Gopher wood was any other wood forbidden?
The answer would be yes...
God deals in specifics.
If Noah had used another kind of wood...In the length of time that Noah took to build the ark...the first part of the structure would have rotted before the final work was finish,..and would not have held up in the flood.
It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.
Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.
God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..
The New Testament is a contract..a BLOOD covenant...it cannot be edited, added to deleted from..IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.
Consecrated and signed by the Blood of Jesus
==>who is called the TESTATOR in Hebrews 9:16
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 ==> For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. <==
-->NOTE<--
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
JESUS CAME FORTH,... FROM THE GRAVE
TO BE THE EXECUTOR OF HIS/GOD'S WILL,
==>He is seated at the right hand of the Father seeing to it
that the will is being carried out.
Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,==>who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
WHEN WE GO TO THE HOUSE OF GOD...
WE GO FOR THE READING OF HIS WILL..
WHICH IS HIS WORD...THE BIBLE..THE DOCUMENT OF OUR INHERITANCE...
~~~
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE GOD'S WILL ...
BUT
IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHANGE A WILL AFTER THE TESTATOR HAS DIED.
Great post Confrinting,

{It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.
Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.
God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..)

Absolutely The church is as old as God.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422286 Feb 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
No one thinks the Pope speaks directly to God.
You're simply misinformed.
Why doesn't he speak directly to God?? I do.

how can he be the leader of God's Church and not talk to God.
Do you people even understand the importance of talking to God; and having a personal relationship with Him.
This is so sad, Dan
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422287 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>nost proable is this woman is Israel as the Bible shows in its harnony with the book of daniel.
the 12 stars are considered the 12 tribes of israel, the sun and the moon are Josephs mom and dad. that aint hard to figure out.
the catholics believe it is mary, the christian scientists founder mrs eddy thinks it is her, but john wrote from a jewish perspective and is clearly showing that it is Israel.
Then [Joseph] dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said,“Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him,“What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?”—Gen 37:9-11
Clearly, in this first use of the sun/moon/stars metaphor, Jacob understands that the sun/moon refer to Joseph’s forebears (i.e., mom and dad), and that the stars refer to his siblings (i.e., the future fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel). He probably doesn’t “get” that Joseph is also a type of Christ to whom the entire nation will one day bow. Nevertheless, this first use establishes for us a basis for understanding the “great sign”/the woman in Revelation 12. Remember: John was a Jew; he wrote from a Jewish perspective and understanding of the scriptures. He was aware of the portion of scripture describing Joseph’s dream—he was familiar with this particular celestial metaphor.
TO BAD THE CATHOLICS ARE TO BLINDED BY FALSE TEACHINGS THAT THEY CANT SEE THIS.
Amen Preston, Proof the catholic don't read or understand the Bible.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422288 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Where were you guys for 1900 yrs? In hiding?
At which point, did everyone (except you guys) mess up the Ministry of Christ?
you have to ask that question when you know very well if anyone opposed the catholic church they were tortured , and put to death.
The Church of God has always been, Clay. The catholic church has only been around for 2000 years
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422289 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>saban belongs to the [denomination] called church of christ. a campbellite cult that believes that they get saved when they get baptised in THEIR church, and IF you dont belong to their church you are not a Christian.
dont believe everything that he says.in fact, I dont believe anything that he says.
I am paying attention to details Preston. thank you.:)
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422290 Feb 13, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>I have to agree with you,religion can and does change people,a lot of serial killers claim they killed because they were told to do so by god (son of sam)or read something in the bible that triggered them to kill,is it true or just a way to get sent to a hospital instead of life in prison,or the death penalty? lets look at the serial killer well known in this era,son of sam,he said that god talked to him through his neighbors dog (black lab),is he lying or telling the truth? there are many stories in the bible about god talking to people (donkey,burning bush),and we are suppose to except it as truth,but today you are considered insane if you say that god talked to me through my dog/cat/ bird etc. why is it that religious people kill more than non-religious people? "dis-regard the fact that most of the population believes in a god in one form or another". people do become what i'd call over-religious,they take it to the extreme, a guy i used to work with, out of the blue became very religious what seemed like an over night event,dove head first into it that he became very annoying and was not doing his job,he was let go for this reason.he he would stand by the door in the morning where the time clock is and hand out religious pamphlets every day,it was rediculous.
Around the world the vast majority of Roman Catholics are poor uneducated people living below the equator or in the middle east grasping at anything coming their way. Catholic/protestant missionairies compete fiercely for their souls in every one of these countries.

In the USA less than 1 in 4 americans claims to be roman catholic, and according to the bishops of america less than 1 in 4 of those, actually practice their faith.

Same number of catholic churches in america in 1965 as today.

Where is the beef?



LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422291 Feb 13, 2013
truth wrote:
who wrote revelation Paul or Jesus or someone else
ha ha ha ha
don't used real god name in vain
John wrote revelations 'truth'
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#422292 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Even under the criteria set forth by the born again movement, Saban would be covered, because in his heart he chose to be baptized. He chose Christ by going to the Baptismal fountain. The initial act of choosing Jesus Christ; or choosing to be baptized came before the water was poured...it couldn't be any other way unless his uncle tackled him and forced water upon him.
His heart sought and accepted Christ when he initially decided to be baptized.
Catholics are different, our parents bring us to Jesus. And their faith and commitment initiates us into Christianity like the Jews at circumcision. Are we automatically saved at 3 months? Of course not. Nobody is automatically saved as long as you have free will. You can lose your salvation anytime you want.
Clay says...

....Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.

Michael says......WHY? You Clay, have already condemned the rest of us to HELL!
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#422293 Feb 13, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
On November 1, 1950, Pope Pius XII solemnly declared:
that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory
**Question for you. How does he know this for sure?
How do you know it isn't true? Knowing of what I know of previously known as Cardinal Eugene Pascelli, whom you call Pope Pius XII there was much study donw on his part.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#422294 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>IF and that is a big IF you know the bible so well why do you not know that James the half brother of Jesus was the head of the Church in jerusalem. why do you not know that. you certainly have been shown that numerous times on this forum
James the Less was the first bishop of Jerusalem, he died in the yr. 66. He was an apostle and cousin to Jesus. This is written in the catholic bible. so in your mind this is Jesus' 1/2 brother?
Patriot

Antioch, TN

#422295 Feb 13, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
No it is not. The true church is the church of people who follow the teachings of JESUS CHRIST from the bible. catholics follow the pope and not JESUS.
If any person is part of any church other than the Church of Christ founded AD 33 In Jerusalem is a member of A Church not HIS church, The Catholic Church was not written about in the bible, it did not exist until late 4th century.Other churches as the Baptist Chruch founded 1628 in Switzerland, Methodist church 1729 in England for example are not the church written about in the NT either.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422296 Feb 13, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Confrinting--As a former bible only Protestant, I know the bible as well, if not better than you and can quote one verse after another just like you! The difference is that you "list a bunch of verses" ---"make them mean" ONLY what you want them to mean" and then "attach" your own "distorted, pervertedand vindictive" personal opinion to them and call it truth!!The FACT is that you have not only (REJECTED) the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Sacred Scripture, but have (INTERJECTED) you own anti-catholic "personal opinion" where-ever it "fits your heretical animosity" against the TRUE, SPOKEN AND STATED WORDS of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, in the Gospels!!---Lets start with Matthew 16:13-21. These are Jesus Christs OWN EXPLICIT words regarding His (on and only) Universal Church. His Church where he appoints Peter as His earthly representative, to LEAD HIS CHURCH...... You, Confrinting, have become an "expert" at "bible verse -burger flipping" with a cafeteria style of Christianity, that "picks and chooses" ONLY what you want to believe, only what you want to hear and only keeps your Protestant (bible verse (shakey) pyramid) from "tumbling down"! God has not appointed you as a minister of the faith in Jesus Christ when you (continually) go so far as to beligerently "reject Jesus Christs OWN SPOKEN WORDS in the Gospels! Lets move on the John 6:47-59 regarding (again) Jesus Christs EXPLICIT SPOKEN WORDS regarding HIS true body and true blood in the Eucharist. Your "entire (half-truth, half-heresy) ministry" is based entirely upon "attacking, condemning and passing your personal opinionated "hate-filled judgement against Jesus Christ Historically and biblically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church. You do not speak for God!!
You read the bible but you don't know it. HOJO , satan knows the bible word for word. He has blinded you from the truth.
Or else you would not be in the catholic church , you are believing a pagan doctrine, an ancient religion .
I have heard some of my best sermons sitting in a coffee shop, HOJO, also working as a cashier in a Resturant, for the delievery man, from a little house wife.
The Holy Spirit uses whom He will HOJO, you have taken up with the wrong side , the line was drawn in the sand along time ago, Moses drew a line for the children of Israel, when He came down from the mountain and throw the 10 commandments at them. those who didn't cross over on Moses side the ground opened up and swallowed them.
Jesus has drawn a line in the sand alos and it starts at the cross, and the temple was torn in two from top to bottom,(THE VEIL) WHICH ALLOWS US TO ENTER INTO THE HOLY oF HOLIES, THE VERY THRONE ROOM OF GOD.) THOSE WHO DO NOT WILL ALSO GO DOWN INTO THE PIT.
FOR YOU HAVE CHANGE THE UNCORRUPTABLE THING OF GOD; FOR THE CORRUPTABLE. WITH ALL THE STATUES (FALSE IDOLS THE CHATHOIC CHURCH IS YOUR IDOL) AND YOUR POPE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST.
THE EVIL THIS DISPICABLE ISTITUTION HAS DONE DOWN THROUGH HISTORY,
IT IS THE MOST UNHOLY, IMMORAL, FILTHY, MIND CONTROLLING, RELIGION ON EARTH.
IT CALLS EVIL GOOD, AND GOOD EVIL, GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU hojo.

AND YOU DARE CALL IT THE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422297 Feb 13, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
James the Less was the first bishop of Jerusalem, he died in the yr. 66. He was an apostle and cousin to Jesus. This is written in the catholic bible. so in your mind this is Jesus' 1/2 brother?
He was Jesus' brother not His cousin, and head of the church in Jerusalem.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422298 Feb 13, 2013
"Does the Bible record the death of the apostles? How did each of the apostles die?"

Answer: The only apostle whose death the Bible records is James (Acts 12:2). King Herod had James “put to death with the sword,” likely a reference to beheading. The circumstances of the deaths of the other apostles are related through church tradition, so we should not put too much weight on any of the other accounts. The most commonly accepted church tradition in regard to the death of an apostle is that the apostle Peter was crucified upside-down on an x-shaped cross in Rome in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy (John 21:18). The following are the most popular “traditions” concerning the deaths of the other apostles:

Matthew suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia, killed by a sword wound. John faced martyrdom when he was boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote his prophetic book of Revelation on Patmos. The apostle John was later freed and returned to what is now modern-day Turkey. He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.

James, the brother of Jesus (not officially an apostle), was the leader of the church in Jerusalem. He was thrown from the southeast pinnacle of the temple (over a hundred feet down) when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a club. This is thought to be the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the temptation.

Bartholomew, also known as Nathanael, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed in present-day Turkey and was martyred for his preaching in Armenia, being flayed to death by a whip. Andrew was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Greece. After being whipped severely by seven soldiers, they tied his body to the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these words:“I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.” He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he died. The apostle Thomas was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church there. Matthias, the apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero in Rome in A.D. 67. There are traditions regarding the other apostles as well, but none with any reliable historical or traditional support.

It is not so important how the apostles died. What is important is the fact that they were all willing to die for their faith. If Jesus had not been resurrected, the disciples would have known it. People will not die for something they know to be a lie. The fact that all of the apostles were willing to die horrible deaths, refusing to renounce their faith in Christ, is tremendous evidence that they had truly witnessed the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
from gotquestions.org
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422299 Feb 13, 2013
Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.
Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422300 Feb 13, 2013
A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage. An entire theory of Joseph's being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented without any biblical basis. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary’s trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?

There is no biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical:“But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus”(Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God’s Word.

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