Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422270 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever Gopher wood is, could we agree it is a description of a type of wood. If so, we could conclude some type of wood was excluded without God having to specifically mention their exclusion.
If you don't like that Biblical example, consider the Lord's Supper. When God specified Bread and Fruit of the Vine all other kinds are excluded. Suppose you know you can attract additional people by offering something they'll enjoy more like cookies and milk instead. Would that be scriptural?
The example I've stated for you from Lev. 10:1 should be considered more thoughtfully by the world's denominations. Worship is not for us to do our way or for our entertainment.
Does calling people names help you attract the lost to be saved?
Gopher wood could have been cypress wood.....

Cypress trees grow right in water in swamps....

The main thing is Noah did as he was commanded by God....

One door to the ark....

One door to the church.....
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422271 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
If it was good enough for Jesus to do it, I'm convinced. Did a man baptize him?
It doesn't matter. Either way, you would have been baptized under the Prestonians criteria anyway. Once you made the conscious choice to be baptized... Even by water. At the point of your heart and mind deciding to be baptized is the x factor.
Water has always been the route and no future born agains had any authority to undo this.
Saban fan

United States

#422272 Feb 13, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Gopher wood could have been cypress wood.....
Cypress trees grow right in water in swamps....
The main thing is Noah did as he was commanded by God....
One door to the ark....
One door to the church.....
If you are in the church you're in the Ark that saves you. You're in Christ.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422273 Feb 13, 2013
Not a whole lot of Catholics left on here. After two yrs of facing the brick wall of ignorance has been effective. I'll be wrapping it up shortly to.

I hope we can be clear that the Catholics on here did a remarkable job in conveying the Catholic faith. I've never witnesses such a lopsided debate in my life!

All we asked is that if you're going to disagree with us, do so on what we actually believe and not what you think we believe. This has been the most puzzling aspect of this forum. No matter how many times we corrected your false presumptions about Catholicism, you ignored it and kept on bearing false witness.
After all the finger pointing at Catholics (you worship Mary; you worship statues; you do this; you do that; you think your pope is a god..) in the end, it will be your words as you stand before God to explain the souls you stole from the Church by violating the 9th commandment of God.
Had you not come on here to challenge Catholicism on an open forum and never heard the correct teachings of our faith, you'd probably be ok. But you heard the truth on what we believe, so there can be no excuses for continuing your deceptive finger pointing.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#422274 Feb 13, 2013
A rudderless ship, aground on the rocks.

Today - less than 1/4 of Catholics actually practicing.

Traditions peeled away like skin from an onion.

The Cardinals need to make a bold choice.

Michael for Pope.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#422275 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
When God instructed Noah to build the Ark with Gopher wood was any other wood forbidden?
When elements of worship have been highlighted in the first century church could it be possible that other acts of worship are forbidden? Why don't you burn incense to worship? I don't think it was expressly forbidden?
There is a story about two individuals that offered "strange fire" in their offerings to God. He was displeased. Same God now.
Acts 2:38 tells us how to be saved. Peter had just informed these people that they needed to call upon the name of The Lord and they asked What shall we do to be SAVED? Peter told them to be baptized for the remission of their sins. 3000 were added to the Lord's church that day.
~~~

You wrote

When God instructed Noah to build the Ark with Gopher wood was any other wood forbidden?

The answer would be yes...

God deals in specifics.

If Noah had used another kind of wood...In the length of time that Noah took to build the ark...the first part of the structure would have rotted before the final work was finish,..and would not have held up in the flood.

It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.

Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.

God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..

The New Testament is a contract..a BLOOD covenant...it cannot be edited, added to deleted from..IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.

Consecrated and signed by the Blood of Jesus

==>who is called the TESTATOR in Hebrews 9:16

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 9:16 ==> For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. <==

-->NOTE<--
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

JESUS CAME FORTH,... FROM THE GRAVE

TO BE THE EXECUTOR OF HIS/GOD'S WILL,

==>He is seated at the right hand of the Father seeing to it

that the will is being carried out.

Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,==>who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

WHEN WE GO TO THE HOUSE OF GOD...

WE GO FOR THE READING OF HIS WILL..

WHICH IS HIS WORD...THE BIBLE..THE DOCUMENT OF OUR INHERITANCE...

~~~

THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE GOD'S WILL ...

BUT

IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHANGE A WILL AFTER THE TESTATOR HAS DIED.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422276 Feb 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote
When God instructed Noah to build the Ark with Gopher wood was any other wood forbidden?
The answer would be yes...
God deals in specifics.
If Noah had used another kind of wood...In the length of time that Noah took to build the ark...the first part of the structure would have rotted before the final work was finish,..and would not have held up in the flood.
It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.
Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.
God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..
The New Testament is a contract..a BLOOD covenant...it cannot be edited, added to deleted from..IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.
Consecrated and signed by the Blood of Jesus
==>who is called the TESTATOR in Hebrews 9:16
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 ==> For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. <==
-->NOTE<--
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
JESUS CAME FORTH,... FROM THE GRAVE
TO BE THE EXECUTOR OF HIS/GOD'S WILL,
==>He is seated at the right hand of the Father seeing to it
that the will is being carried out.
Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,==>who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
WHEN WE GO TO THE HOUSE OF GOD...
WE GO FOR THE READING OF HIS WILL..
WHICH IS HIS WORD...THE BIBLE..THE DOCUMENT OF OUR INHERITANCE...
~~~
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE GOD'S WILL ...
BUT
IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHANGE A WILL AFTER THE TESTATOR HAS DIED.
AMEN. Beautifully stated.
fedupwiththemess

Ashburn, VA

#422277 Feb 13, 2013
No it is not. The true church is the church of people who follow the teachings of JESUS CHRIST from the bible. catholics follow the pope and not JESUS.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#422278 Feb 13, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
No it is not. The true church is the church of people who follow the teachings of JESUS CHRIST from the bible. catholics follow the pope and not JESUS.
AMEN, Fed.
Truer words were never spoken.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#422279 Feb 13, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
No it is not. The true church is the church of people who follow the teachings of JESUS CHRIST from the bible. catholics follow the pope and not JESUS.
and you want us to believe you follow Christ.

Let me show the folks your post on a Michelle Obama Forum and they can decide.

Fedup said: Michelle will have power and reign over the dumb azz people on this forum.
**I have many more upon requests. Like I've always said, you're a fraud Fedup.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#422280 Feb 13, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>if the pope does not have total control of the church,how could he be the vicar of christ? he is suppose to be able to speak to god directly, and everything he says and does is done with the blessing of god.is this just a ruse? he is not what the vatican council says he is?
No.

No one thinks the Pope speaks directly to God.

You're simply misinformed.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422281 Feb 13, 2013
marge wrote:
It really irks me that the people that water-baptized you people didn't show you the Way to Jesus.
Do you still want to talk about works?
I was baptized with the Holy Spirit 2 months before water baptism Marge.
That doesn't mean a person can't recieve the Baptism in the Holy Spirit after water baptism, or at the time of water baptism.
Being born again, recieving Christ as Lord and Savior , the Holy Spirit leads us to the truth, that is the "IN FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT"
I asked Christ into my heart twice, the first time I believe I wanted it , but it was all head knowledge there was no change in my life.
The second time was in Sept 1984 , I was baptized in the Holy Spirit to say I was electrified is putting it mildly.

Two months later I was baptized in water. I back slid once MArge, and it was torture to say the least, when I repented and re-dedicated my life to God I felt like I had left a battle zone I was shell shocked.

God is a loving forgiving Father, I believed in God from the time I was 3, but didn't know Him.
Every day I learn something new about Him, if someone needs to be lifted up , Just sit back close your eyes and start lifting up the name of Jesus , wow the Power in the name of Jesus .
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.


Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.


Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.


Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Love you dear little sister,
Stephen

Roodepoort, South Africa

#422282 Feb 13, 2013
I wholeheartedly agree to the response to this initial statement. Catholic need to learn the Faith or risk losing their souls too.
Troy wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you said that the Pope's statement is making you 'seriously consider leaving the church', just reinforces why it does matter whether people are Catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. Spiritual relativsm is not new, you and those like you, who believe that the truth of what the Church teaches is somehow subject to whether you agree with it or not are exactly why the Pope is saying what he is saying. He's not saying something new, it's what the Church has ALWAYS taught! Your comments are just proving the points that the Pope made in the homily he gave at conclave before his election: http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Art...
You would do well to read this and anyone else who may be guilty of "being tossed to and fro by every wave of doctrine"... Eph. 4:14
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422283 Feb 13, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
*IMPOSSIBILITIES IN OUR WORLD :
*
*1. YOU can't count your hair
2. YOU can't wash your eyes with soap
3. YOU can't breathe when your tongue is out
Put your tongue back in, dummy...I really didn't think*
*you'd fall for it...
9. Things I know about you...
1) YOU are reading this
2) YOU are human.
3) YOU can't say the letter ''P'' without separating your lips
4) YOU just attempted to do it
6) YOU are laughing inwardly at yourself
7) YOU have a smile on your face and you skipped No.5
8) YOU just checked to see if there is a No.5
9) YOU laugh at this because you are an idiot & everyone does it too.
LOL that is funny , I tried to breath with my tongue out . HA HA I can't believe I did that .
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#422284 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Even under the criteria set forth by the born again movement, Saban would be covered, because in his heart he chose to be baptized. He chose Christ by going to the Baptismal fountain. The initial act of choosing Jesus Christ; or choosing to be baptized came before the water was poured...it couldn't be any other way unless his uncle tackled him and forced water upon him.
His heart sought and accepted Christ when he initially decided to be baptized.
Catholics are different, our parents bring us to Jesus. And their faith and commitment initiates us into Christianity like the Jews at circumcision. Are we automatically saved at 3 months? Of course not. Nobody is automatically saved as long as you have free will. You can lose your salvation anytime you want.
Correct except in the case of converts, who undergo insruction, and then are asked if they wish to be baptized in the faith the have professed.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422285 Feb 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote
When God instructed Noah to build the Ark with Gopher wood was any other wood forbidden?
The answer would be yes...
God deals in specifics.
If Noah had used another kind of wood...In the length of time that Noah took to build the ark...the first part of the structure would have rotted before the final work was finish,..and would not have held up in the flood.
It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.
Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.
God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..
The New Testament is a contract..a BLOOD covenant...it cannot be edited, added to deleted from..IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.
Consecrated and signed by the Blood of Jesus
==>who is called the TESTATOR in Hebrews 9:16
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 ==> For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. <==
-->NOTE<--
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
JESUS CAME FORTH,... FROM THE GRAVE
TO BE THE EXECUTOR OF HIS/GOD'S WILL,
==>He is seated at the right hand of the Father seeing to it
that the will is being carried out.
Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,==>who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
WHEN WE GO TO THE HOUSE OF GOD...
WE GO FOR THE READING OF HIS WILL..
WHICH IS HIS WORD...THE BIBLE..THE DOCUMENT OF OUR INHERITANCE...
~~~
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE GOD'S WILL ...
BUT
IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHANGE A WILL AFTER THE TESTATOR HAS DIED.
Great post Confrinting,

{It is as it was with Moses, when he built the portable temple, and when Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem
they were built by the similitude/specifications of the ark and temple and it's furnishings in heaven.
Which is proof positive, that the Church is as old as God is.
God's plan of redemption is given in specifics...it cannot be changed..)

Absolutely The church is as old as God.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422286 Feb 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
No one thinks the Pope speaks directly to God.
You're simply misinformed.
Why doesn't he speak directly to God?? I do.

how can he be the leader of God's Church and not talk to God.
Do you people even understand the importance of talking to God; and having a personal relationship with Him.
This is so sad, Dan
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422287 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>nost proable is this woman is Israel as the Bible shows in its harnony with the book of daniel.
the 12 stars are considered the 12 tribes of israel, the sun and the moon are Josephs mom and dad. that aint hard to figure out.
the catholics believe it is mary, the christian scientists founder mrs eddy thinks it is her, but john wrote from a jewish perspective and is clearly showing that it is Israel.
Then [Joseph] dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said,“Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him,“What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?”—Gen 37:9-11
Clearly, in this first use of the sun/moon/stars metaphor, Jacob understands that the sun/moon refer to Joseph’s forebears (i.e., mom and dad), and that the stars refer to his siblings (i.e., the future fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel). He probably doesn’t “get” that Joseph is also a type of Christ to whom the entire nation will one day bow. Nevertheless, this first use establishes for us a basis for understanding the “great sign”/the woman in Revelation 12. Remember: John was a Jew; he wrote from a Jewish perspective and understanding of the scriptures. He was aware of the portion of scripture describing Joseph’s dream—he was familiar with this particular celestial metaphor.
TO BAD THE CATHOLICS ARE TO BLINDED BY FALSE TEACHINGS THAT THEY CANT SEE THIS.
Amen Preston, Proof the catholic don't read or understand the Bible.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422288 Feb 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Where were you guys for 1900 yrs? In hiding?
At which point, did everyone (except you guys) mess up the Ministry of Christ?
you have to ask that question when you know very well if anyone opposed the catholic church they were tortured , and put to death.
The Church of God has always been, Clay. The catholic church has only been around for 2000 years
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#422289 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>saban belongs to the [denomination] called church of christ. a campbellite cult that believes that they get saved when they get baptised in THEIR church, and IF you dont belong to their church you are not a Christian.
dont believe everything that he says.in fact, I dont believe anything that he says.
I am paying attention to details Preston. thank you.:)

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