Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422246 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>any body who doesnt know what [gopher wood] was, shouldnt be teaching any bible to any person until they get saved. and all your uncle did is get you wet, you still are lost. and if you ever get saved, you will not allow that door on your campbellite church hit you in the back, you will leave it so fast.
Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Even under the criteria set forth by the born again movement, Saban would be covered, because in his heart he chose to be baptized. He chose Christ by going to the Baptismal fountain. The initial act of choosing Jesus Christ; or choosing to be baptized came before the water was poured...it couldn't be any other way unless his uncle tackled him and forced water upon him.
His heart sought and accepted Christ when he initially decided to be baptized.

Catholics are different, our parents bring us to Jesus. And their faith and commitment initiates us into Christianity like the Jews at circumcision. Are we automatically saved at 3 months? Of course not. Nobody is automatically saved as long as you have free will. You can lose your salvation anytime you want.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422247 Feb 13, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for Catholics here. If the Pope is the RCC chief and has total authority over the RCC and he decides to resign,why can't he appoint his own successor instead of having itdone by the Cardinals? If youhave total authority over the RCC, don't he have authority and say so over who he wants to succeed him?
JETHRO:that's the million dollar question,the RCC believes the pope is suppose to be gods/jesus' eyes and ears on earth (vicar of christ) so he would be told by god directly on who to select to replace him,but it doesn't work that way because he is no more of a holy man than i am,he is a corporate figure head that's all,their history proves it is not a true holy place,such a place would not have to do what it has done to get people to believe it is really a holy place,the true church of a god would take care of his children, not brutalize them like they have for 2000 years,they do put on a good show,but that's about all they can really do,instead of buying the crystal church for i believe somewhere around $50 million,they could of used that money to help out a lot of people who are dying of starvation,disease,and brutality,it does not make sense.if it truly is gods aledged church it would act like it is,but it doesn't,it does the opposite.it can't be denied,the history is there.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422248 Feb 13, 2013
TO MY GOOD FRIEND POPE HOJO:you stated the mud slinging and harshness going on here was started by a protestant,agnostic,athiests and michael,not exactly true,second post by a catholic named tony who is from arizona:Elizabeth wrote:
As someone who is catholic and was raised in the faith, I find this truly offensive that the Pope would make a statement like this. It is making me seriously consider leaving the church. As long as popele believe in God and the holy trinity, why does it matter whether they believe as catholics, methodists, lutherans, etc? I think Benedict has gone too far with this statement and I do believe it is going to hurt the catholic church in the long run.
The fact that you said that the Pope's statement is making you 'seriously consider leaving the church', just reinforces why it does matter whether people are Catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. Spiritual relativsm is not new, you and those like you, who believe that the truth of what the Church teaches is somehow subject to whether you agree with it or not are exactly why the Pope is saying what he is saying. He's not saying something new, it's what the Church has ALWAYS taught! Your comments are just proving the points that the Pope made in the homily he gave at conclave before his election: http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Art ...
You would do well to read this and anyone else who may be guilty of "being tossed to and fro by every wave of doctrine"... Eph. 4:14......JETHRO:SOUNDS A LITTLE HARSH TO ME,WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422249 Feb 13, 2013
slight error in my last post,the second post on here,was from a guy named troy not tony.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#422250 Feb 13, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
Monday's (Feb. 11) surprising announcement by Pope Benedict XVI that he was resigning from the papacy struck some observers like a bolt out of the blue.
And a few hours later, an actual bolt of lightning struck St. Peter's Basilica, the centerpiece of the Vatican and one of the holiest sites in Christendom, NBC News reported.
Was the lightning strike, coming just hours after Pope Benedict's announcement, evidence of God's wrath, or some ominous sign from above? Perhaps, but it was more likely the natural result of a rainstorm that was passing over Rome at the time.
Lightning often strikes religious symbols, because they are usually placed high in the sky and are, in many cases, the highest thing around. Coupled with the fact that they're often made of metal, lightning striking religious statuary or other icons seems quite normal.
Brazil's 130-foot "Christ the Redeemer" statue atop Rio de Janeiro's Sugarloaf Mountain, for example, has been struck by lightning several times since it was completed in 1931.
Secular objects are also often struck by lightning. Airplanes are struck by lightning frequently, and the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building and other tall buildings have all been hit.
St. Peter's Basilica is the tallest dome in the world at 448 feet (137 meters) from the floor to the cross that was added to the very top by Pope Clement VIII in the 16th century. A lightning rodpoints skyward from the top of that cross Ś it's likely that this is what was struck by lightning Monday.
JETHRO:if it is a sign from a god it is a warning sign,it's telling the church to start fresh and new, and be what it is meant to be, a place of worship that men,women,and children don't have to fear.confess their sins to the world and start anew.
It most likely is a coincidence. However, if it is a sign from God, it is not an angry sign.. People around Rome were sad that day and worried about the future. Electricity coming down from the 'Heavens' to the Vatican would signify a jolt of energy. Nothing was damaged and no one got hurt.

The timing of it just hrs after the Pope resigned is interesting to say the least.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422251 Feb 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't vote on his successor.
He resigned.
He doesn't have "total authority" over the RCC. For instance, he cannot introduce doctrine on his own, etc.
if the pope does not have total control of the church,how could he be the vicar of christ? he is suppose to be able to speak to god directly, and everything he says and does is done with the blessing of god.is this just a ruse? he is not what the vatican council says he is?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422252 Feb 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have a corroborating source?
Sipe eats off of criticizing the Church.
you can check this site out:The Dark Side of Church History
Just because a person is part of a church does not mean they are followers of Christ.... Index To Barriers To Faith > Dark Side of Church History : At the ...
www.inplainsite.org/html/church_history_&... - Cached
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422253 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol. how much water was used in that upper room that day? have you got a figure?a 100 gallons or more? a creek or a river? tell us teacher.
Hey Preston.....

Hope you are feeling better.....

The answer is NONE!!!

There was no water.....it is a different baptism from God....

Holy Spirit baptism for the apostles and what 120 souls that were there......and of course the House of Cornelius in Acts Chapter 10 - 11......

Since: Nov 08

usa

#422254 Feb 13, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't our God a jealous God???
He, and He alone, wants to be our Father......
People cannot change the truth in God's word, but the truth of God's Word can change people.
I have to agree with you,religion can and does change people,a lot of serial killers claim they killed because they were told to do so by god (son of sam)or read something in the bible that triggered them to kill,is it true or just a way to get sent to a hospital instead of life in prison,or the death penalty? lets look at the serial killer well known in this era,son of sam,he said that god talked to him through his neighbors dog (black lab),is he lying or telling the truth? there are many stories in the bible about god talking to people (donkey,burning bush),and we are suppose to except it as truth,but today you are considered insane if you say that god talked to me through my dog/cat/ bird etc. why is it that religious people kill more than non-religious people? "dis-regard the fact that most of the population believes in a god in one form or another". people do become what i'd call over-religious,they take it to the extreme, a guy i used to work with, out of the blue became very religious what seemed like an over night event,dove head first into it that he became very annoying and was not doing his job,he was let go for this reason.he he would stand by the door in the morning where the time clock is and hand out religious pamphlets every day,it was rediculous.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422256 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>saban like hank has no Born Again testimony to share with you and us for one simple reason, they arent born again. they are like the men at ephusus, they had had water baptism but not the baptism that comes with being born again. saban like hank thinks that they received the Holy Spirit when they were baptised by their church.
campbell believed not in an emotional Spirtual Experience(know so salvation) since he had not one, then noone else has had one either, and so they follow that misbelief today in their Spiritual blindness
What does the Bible say? Hint: Acts 2:38
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422257 Feb 13, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
What did John tell them? Believe and Repent and then what did he tell them?
I baptize you with water, BUT...
But what Sabanfan?
What do you have to do to get Jesus in you?
Be baptized into His death, burial and resurrection, Marge....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422258 Feb 13, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure you don't claim be a small t teacher of the Word but there are things we know for sure, like How to be Saved(a true church subject), that you know nothing about.
Really, you need to get Saved first and then you can talk, truly it is the Bible way.
How do you know, Marge, if this person is saved or not???

Were you there to experience it with him???
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422259 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you dont even have a clue as to what [gopher wood] really was.it is beleived to actually be pine tree, but if you know that mid eastern part of the Word, it is understandable to realize that we are talking about a form of pine tree,re, the cedars of Lebanon.
so if you think it is an actual type of tree, you are badly mistaken.lol
and you trying to divert by talking about 'strange fire' to me as you did to clay which means nothing to be, it is not what we are discussing, which is your lack of musical instruments.
acts 2:38 starts off with the Word [repent} which is the ONLY way that a persons sins are forgiven, not by water least the blood is of no consequence hereby making the sacrifice nil and void.
as i told lincoln several years ago, hank forever and now you. you claim to follow the teachings of the NT yet there is no example of one person receiving the Holy Ghost while being baptised by water. and i certainly didnt.mine came 36 hours after I was saved. others sometimes years after they are saved.
In him we have redemption through his [blood], the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace." (Ephesians 1:7)NOT ONE MENTION OF WATER SAVING THEM. THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS COME THROUGH THE BLOOD. thanks to the false teachings of campbell and stone, millions of you campbellites are going to wake up in hell.just as will happen to billions of catholics.
Was Jesus baptized in water?

3000 received the Holy Ghost at baptism between Acts 2:38-41.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422260 Feb 13, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
120 081
Whadda boutit Dan????
In Rev 2, Christ addresses the seven (7) churches.
Why did He not refer to any of them as "Church"....why did not He refer to any as the Roman Catholic Church???!!!!
church....people

Divine side and the human side....

Divine side...Jesus (perfect)....Head of the church (people)....

Human side....members of the body....not so perfect...people listen to the Head of the church....Jesus....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422261 Feb 13, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
120 081
Whadda boutit Dan????
In Rev 2, Christ addresses the seven (7) churches.
Why did He not refer to any of them as "Church"....why did not He refer to any as the Roman Catholic Church???!!!!
seven golden lampstands.....7 is perfection.... no improvements to be made to the church (people) on the Divine side.....Law of the Lord....

human side....improvements need to be made....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422262 Feb 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Acts 2:38 told those very first church members how to receive the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit was PROMISED by God and it will be delivered.....

Baptized into the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ....
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422263 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>any body who doesnt know what [gopher wood] was, shouldnt be teaching any bible to any person until they get saved. and all your uncle did is get you wet, you still are lost. and if you ever get saved, you will not allow that door on your campbellite church hit you in the back, you will leave it so fast.
Whatever Gopher wood is, could we agree it is a description of a type of wood. If so, we could conclude some type of wood was excluded without God having to specifically mention their exclusion.

If you don't like that Biblical example, consider the Lord's Supper. When God specified Bread and Fruit of the Vine all other kinds are excluded. Suppose you know you can attract additional people by offering something they'll enjoy more like cookies and milk instead. Would that be scriptural?

The example I've stated for you from Lev. 10:1 should be considered more thoughtfully by the world's denominations. Worship is not for us to do our way or for our entertainment.

Does calling people names help you attract the lost to be saved?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#422264 Feb 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>IF and that is a big IF you know the bible so well why do you not know that James the half brother of Jesus was the head of the Church in jerusalem. why do you not know that. you certainly have been shown that numerous times on this forum
What does that matter? I don't understand what direction you're going in. Honestly, I see very few of these posts unless they are direct replies to me.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422265 Feb 13, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, can we cut to the chase and you share with us your Born-again-from-above experience so we know plainly who you are, please?
I was called in 2005 and after believing in Him(Jesus)I repented of my sins and He forgave me and gave me the His Spirit and even made me a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
And me and we here who claim to be 'the true church' would like to stay on topic.
Blessings:)
Marge,

Please explain what 'wash away' means???

Think "Spiritual" Marge.....

Clear conscientious, Marge.....

1 Peter 3:21

21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you alsoŚnot the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a ~~~~~clear conscience toward God.~~~~~[[[[It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,]]]]]

Hebrews 9:14

14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God,[[[[[cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to (spiritual) death,]]]]] so that we may serve the living God!

Are you getting it now, Marge???

Baptized into His death, burial, and resurrection.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#422266 Feb 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen Saban fan. I don't believe in denominatonal religion either.
The True Church of God; is not made with the hands of man.
That is why I keep telling all of you to think SPIRITUAL...

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