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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590366 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#422106 Feb 12, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Fear not.
All of these Catholic beliefs are predicated in Scripture.
You are delusional!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422107 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
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To clarify, my faith isn't in Pope Pius XII-it's in Christ instructing us through His Church without possibility of error.
The so-called "Church" has never been defined completely.

Do you have additional substance that is pertinent?

Better yet, please post your definition of "the Church", and let the forum decide.

Thanks!
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#422108 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
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We believe the Woman is Mary.
Thanks
Ehhhh....

More probable reading is that "the woman clothed with the sun" is "the Church."

Yes, she "brings forth a son," but I would not read that as a literal birth, but the Church "proclaiming" ("giving birth to,"/"bringing forth") the Gospel, the "Word of God." (Which, since Jesus IS "the Word," fits nicely with the symbolism of giving birth, if you use the Blessed Mother as a symbolic placeholder. Then you get the place in the desert (The Flight into Egypt/The Captivity Under Pharoh.)

The richness of meaning in SS is truly breathtaking.

Rob

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#422109 Feb 12, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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You deny that Christ established the Church in scripture?
You better hold on to your own fans.
Show me the proper noun "Church" in the following.....you can't, because it ain't in there...the noun "church" is....

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against

Show me "Roman Catholic church"....."church " as in Scripture....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422110 Feb 12, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Men choosing what other men are to believe.
Yep - no "God" involved, yet you expressively state "an article of faith revealed by God".
"He" did - when? where? to whom?
Citation "from God" please.
Or, you being like other so-called "Catholics" will begin to spin the discussion in some other direction, like back at me?
We'll see how honest you really are.
I'll wait.
Dan wrote:
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You're a man and you're trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't believe.
Pot, kettle, black.
Self.
Ah yes - avoiding the citation post. I figured as much.

That is because you can't be honest enough with me to admit, that one doesn't exist, huh?

When you want to learn, come talk to me. Until then.....go back under the robe, where it seems you find the comfort you accept.

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#422111 Feb 12, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Common noun, proper noun. I employ the proper noun when discussing the Catholic Church.
Christ established one church.
We believe the Catholic Church is that church.
I know what you believe...and it is a false belief...based on Scripture changes that you make....

043

You have to change Scripture to believe your false belief....you change "church" which is a common noun, to a proper noun (Church)..

church: ekklesia, a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

The Greek word for church does not show any denominations as part of its definition.....that's why you have to change Scripture to support your false belief......
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#422112 Feb 12, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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- it has already been debunked when one Pope died in about a month from taking the papacy. Thus, showing that he did not receive all the necessary "mysteries" the succession supposedly offers to each.
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!!!

Mrph!

Heh.

Hehhehchuckckle.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Thank you, New Age. You've given me a new topper, one that beats out "Yes you do [worship saints], They just didn't TELL you."

You win the RobDye prize for unconscious ignorance.

Congrats!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422113 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What teachings have been amended by the Church?
The back and forth of many "doctrines" or "dogma" had occurred many times.

Even with you stating the Assumption of Mary as dogma (in 1950) is a prime example that men chose to believe this, and not "God" or any wording in the Bible.

Unless you have a specific text that proves what was said in 1950 is accurate to pre-100 CE?

Do you?

I doubt it. Thus the doctrine was still within the "litigation" of men.

Really Dan? You didn't knwo this?

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Wars-Patriarchs-E...
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422114 Feb 12, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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Yeh.
This is actually on-topic for the thread, believe it or not.
It involves the use of the word "church," as it was used in the papal statement that was misused to start this particular hydra.
A "church" in this usage would be an "ecclesial coomunity presided over by someone with authority from Jesus."
In the earliest churches, that would be apostles.
After the apostles, that cam to be known as episkopos - "guardian," "overseer," "bishop."
All the churches referred to in the verse would have had someone appointed by the apostles, or appointed by someone appointed by the apostles, etc.
They were "true churches," just as the pope referred to in the document.
Other communities would not be "true churches," (not meaning "false churches," but rather, something not best described by the term "church." They were faith communities, and they may have had the fullness of apostolic faith and doctrine, but if they lacked a bishop, they were not, strictly speaking, a church.
Perhaps better than "The Baptist church is not a true church" would ge "The Baptist church is not actually a diocese in any sense of the word, and thus not, strictly speaking, a "church," but a "faith community."
The same would be said of "The Franciscan Order," or "The Knights of Columbus." These are not true churches, even though they might ahow many elements that would also be found in a church community. But they do not have a bishop in line with the apostles, and so are not truly "churches."
In no way does the verse refer to denominations, with people all disagreeing with each other over doctrine, andelevatingthemselves to levels of authority (a la The Tower of Babel), but faith coomunities united to the faith of the apostles, and under apostlic leadership and teaching.
They were, and are the true "Church of Christ," and had nothing to do with the American counterfeit one which has presumed to take this for its institutional formal name.
Rob
Explain how it can be counterfeit.

It it governed and worships in the same manner as the church at Ephesus or Galatia. We adhere to Paul's teaching at that time and we follow his instructions in ignoring anything anyone teaches us that would be contrary to what he and the apostles taught about the church.

I'm waiting....
Clay

United States

#422115 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Your Sect practices Idol worship, teaches a gospel contrary to the NT, indulgences Not Biblical, Purgatory Not Biblical.
"your sect practices idol worship... "

Yeah yeah yeah. I know what you say we do.

I'll tell you something, there is a set of statues of the three little children from Fatima, kneeling before a statue of the Blessed Mother. So not only do Catholics get to worship statues, are STATUES get to worship statues too!!
Lol (I stole that one from Patrick Madrid)

You teach that we worship statues. I say that's ridiculous and shown you from the official Catholic teachings who we Worship.
So I'll leave it at that.

We'll both stand before God someday and only one of us will be right. Good luck.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422116 Feb 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
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All the "Churches of Christ" were later called Universal or Catholic. The earliest known document is from 110 AD. And the title was used so casual then, that one could imply that it was a title already in use before that.
Key word - LATER.

Doesn't take long for men to de-rail a church.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422117 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Scripture is authoritative as it's the infallible Word of God.
Infallible scripture tells us that Christ established His Church on Earth to teach His message until the end of time.
Citation from "God" please that shows what you say, is true and "infallible".

Yes - please post "God's pure word" and nothing that involves men or their decisions.

We'll see how honest you really are, huh?

Or......you'll run away and avoid the post altogether.....which is common amongst many so-called "Christians".

What are you afraid of?
marge

Ames, IA

#422118 Feb 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
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So let me get this straight: you believe the folks at Corinth all gathered around when Pauls letter arrived; they announced "we got another one from Paul!" Then they promptly passed it around for each one to determine what the latest Christian teachings are?
Help me out here brother.
He was writing to the Church!
And they hand-copied the letters many times and passed them to even distant friends and relatives who were believers.
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#422119 Feb 12, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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A table of contents.
Rob
But the inspired Paul gave us an undeniable hint at when the book and teachings ended as he spoke to the Galatians!

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#422120 Feb 12, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Holy Scripture is inspired by God.
Scripture informs the teachings of the Church. The teachings of the Church inform sacred tradition, along with scripture. The Church is established in scripture to teach.
Scripture does not say that it alone encompasses all that informs the faith. Thus, to hold that belief is to contradict scripture, as you have to disavow the teaching authority of the Church (established in scripture) to hold a "bible alone" belief.
Understand?
In Rev 2, Christ addresses the seven (7) churches. Why did He not refer to any of them as "Church"....why did not He refer to any as the Roman Catholic Church???!!!!
marge

Ames, IA

#422121 Feb 12, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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Ehhhh....
More probable reading is that "the woman clothed with the sun" is "the Church."
Yes, she "brings forth a son," but I would not read that as a literal birth, but the Church "proclaiming" ("giving birth to,"/"bringing forth") the Gospel, the "Word of God." (Which, since Jesus IS "the Word," fits nicely with the symbolism of giving birth, if you use the Blessed Mother as a symbolic placeholder. Then you get the place in the desert (The Flight into Egypt/The Captivity Under Pharoh.)
The richness of meaning in SS is truly breathtaking.
Rob
oops Dan, now who are you going to believe?

I wish you people would get your own beliefs from your own study and prayer, that's what you'll be judged by you know.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422122 Feb 12, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I never would've said it was a denominational reference. I don't belong to a denomination as you yourself said, they are man-made.
Where does it say they were Catholic. The Christ's church hadn't been derailed into Catholicism yet.
Do you see his ego showing too?

Its absurd to think "catholic" means "Catholic".

But if you are so-called "Catholic", they are the only ones who do.

I they call themselves "humble"??

Far from it.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422123 Feb 12, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under Godís curse!" (Gal. 1:8)
Yet, Catholics tell me they can have Scripture, and the "teachings of the Church", and their sacred tradition as the foundation of their faith.
Do Paul's words sound like the teachings would ever change or be amended? Who is the "WE" he is speaking of when he says IF EVEN WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN?
And these Catholics have the nerve to tell me that it is unscriptural for my teaching to be scripturally based alone. They claim I need the teachings of the Church and their sacred tradition to go along with scripture. Those things came along AFTER Paul spoke these words to the Christians in Galatia. These people on this thread are not even Paul or the Angel from Heaven. Why should anyone believe them and their Apostasy?
Isn't this a reasonable verse for me to believe that the Bible alone can give me all the instruction I will ever need to know about going to Heaven and how Christ's church should operate?
Christ's church is the true church.(Rom. 16:16b) not the Catholic church. Paul even says, "let them be under God's curse." (Gal. 1:8b)
Why do you think Paul was more enlightened than Jesus?

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#422124 Feb 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You just answered your question if you examine it.
Paul is writing to the Church that is in communion with the Apostles. He is not addressing Martin Luther. He is not addressing John Calvin, Confrinting, Preston, Harold Camping, nor you and the other 42,000 groups today.
There were heretics in his day too. He doesn't write broad letters to the people so they can 'figure out their own Christianity'. He is writing the Catholic Churches in Gal, Romans, Corinthians...
Gal 1:8 "but even if we or an Angel in Heaven preach another gospel other then the one we have preached to you, let them be under Gods curse"
This letter is to the Church and the Bishops the Apostles ordained. It is NOT a personal letter to you.
"Catholic Churches" were designated as such until much later - many decades later, after Paul's letters were supposedly written.

Why do you try to mislead others?
Clay

United States

#422125 Feb 12, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Key word - LATER.
Doesn't take long for men to de-rail a church.
Now that is where you'd be lacking faith. That is where you'd be going against scripture. Christ promised to be with them til the end. He promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail.

But you say it derailed within 30 yrs of Pauls letter to the Romans?

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